Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#6

[sherlockh]

The reference links don't work. The witness summaries are just his own spin about was said and he takes things out of context and twists peoples words to suit his agenda.

I'm not saying the actual translated transcripts aren't accurate although recently someone noticed Guede's Skype call was a little different on that site compared to the one on PMF.

In his summary for Francesco Sollecito he writes Raffaele had 2 knives on him at the police station when it was only his regular pocket.

One of the editors on the fake wiki is a man who claims to be Jesus Christ and the fake wiki blogger also posts on a forum run the same guy who claims to be Jesus Christ and can control the weather.

Like Chris said....buyer beware getting taken in by an anonymous blogger like this guy.

It is a well sourced and structured website which gives a good overview of the case and all the evidence. A lot of time went into that website. There is no spin. If there are little mistakes you can always contact the owner. I don't think this is the place for these kind of rants. If you don't like the website then why in the world are you reading it?

 

[MichaelSmith]

BBM

Sure they do. The references are numbered footnotes and the referenced footnotes are at the bottom of the page.

Each link works as it should

I didn't click on every reference link but tried at least 15 in the witness summaries and they don't work.

 

[MichaelSmith]

It is a well sourced and structured website which gives a good overview of the case and all the evidence. A lot of time went into that website. There is no spin. If there are little mistakes you can always contact the owner. I don't think this is the place for these kind of rants. If you don't like the website then why in the world are you reading it?

I read it because someone linked to it here yesterday and copy/pasted the bloggers opinion here as if it was credible and meant something.

Like I said, one of the editors is a man who says he's Jesus Christ and can control the weather and the anonymous blogger who runs that site posts on his forum. That's crackpot stuff. I don't take those kind of people seriously.

 

[Harmony 2]

This is the topic:
Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy

Please cease discussion about other sites... thanks

 

[SMK]

I read it because someone linked to it here yesterday and copy/pasted the bloggers opinion here as if it was credible and meant something.

Like I said, one of the editors is a man who says he's Jesus Christ and can control the weather and the anonymous blogger who runs that site posts on his forum. That's crackpot stuff. I don't take those kind of people seriously.

I know; but think of the attacks on Fisher. Were they fair, or true? Did they have bearing on his writing? I never thought them worthy of consideration.

To my thinking, ad hominem attacks really have no bearing: The wiki site is indeed quite ordered and expertly translated and linked. I take all info with a liberal and generous mind, and am open to skepticism. Ha, just saw your post, Harmony, Outta here

 

[MichaelSmith]

IMO senseless murders are committed everyday, just so happens this one made international news.

Senseless murders happen everyday but a female sexually assaulting and murdering another female using a knife is extremely rare to the point of almost being unheard of.....let alone being done with the help of a new boyfriend of 6 days and some random third guy they'd bumped into and brought along who the new boyfriend didn't even know.....and this murder/rape going down in the space of an hour.....after watching Amelie.

 

[Sigh Sister]

That is true, but 99% of motives share a motive of another criminal, ie, cheating, wanted to get rid of wife, money,,etc

As far as I know this would be a first for a college student killing over disputes about a clean room

It would be more believable if some evidence like people saying, oh yeah, me. & amanda have loud parties (but AK had no friends) or MK saying "next time AK does not flush we are going to have a big fight," or the girls fighting loudly over the cleaning or toilet. There is evidence complained about the toilet, but anyone ever see an argument between the two girls about it? Anyone hear AK even mention the word toilet or flush to anyone?

BBM But what is being alleged here is more than that. she supposedly kills her roommate with assistance of boyfriend of one week and a man who was essentially a stranger. And then helps the stranger to sexually assault her roommate. Or did RG offer to assault her first (with their assistance of course) to make MK pay for daring to complain about an unflushed toilet and then all three takes turns stabbing her? :scared: This isn't a case of one roommate killing another over a trivial issue. The claim is that 3 people who barely knew each other sexually assault and kill a 4th over a trivial issue.

As far as I know, MK confronted AK once about the need to use the toilet
brush . AK was embarrassed, apologized, and that was the end of it.

 

[SMK]

BBM But what is being alleged here is more than that. she supposedly kills her roommate with assistance of boyfriend of one week and a man who was essentially a stranger. And then helps the stranger to sexually assault her roommate. Or did RG offer to assault her first (with their assistance of course) to make MK pay for daring to complain about an unflushed toilet and then all three takes turns stabbing her? :scared: This isn't a case of one roommate killing another over a trivial issue. The claim is that 3 people who barely knew each other sexually assault and kill a 4th over a trivial issue.

As far as I know, MK confronted AK once about the need to use the toilet
brush . AK was embarrassed, apologized, and that was the end of it.

Yes, on the surface it does seem absurd.
And may be.

I think once the scenario has been posed, it takes on a life of it's own, as it were - and then there are things possibly beneath the surface which make it believable (maybe I read too much Freud and Earnest Jones)-and then the oddities of that morning of Nov 2, concerning Knox and Sollecito, begin to snap into place. I guess it is believable to some , and not to others. There were things which raised the suspicions of the police, and I don't think they were being unreasonable in all of it.

It is as if the pro-innocence view is true, but not therapeutic: It doesn't get at the deeper truths. In that purview, the depth of things is ignored. The possibility of Knox sparking something in Guede and Sollecito is wholly ignored: That this could be possible is dismissed out of hand.

This is my view; it's difficult to explain.

I would hate to think 2 innocents are being railroaded. I still waver.

 

[Amber29]

BBM But what is being alleged here is more than that. she supposedly kills her roommate with assistance of boyfriend of one week and a man who was essentially a stranger. And then helps the stranger to sexually assault her roommate. Or did RG offer to assault her first (with their assistance of course) to make MK pay for daring to complain about an unflushed toilet and then all three takes turns stabbing her? :scared: This isn't a case of one roommate killing another over a trivial issue. The claim is that 3 people who barely knew each other sexually assault and kill a 4th over a trivial issue.

As far as I know, MK confronted AK once about the need to use the toilet
brush . AK was embarrassed, apologized, and that was the end of it.

We are also talking about drugs and alcohol being involved. Which IMO changes things.

I didn't know anyone knew the specifics about Meredith confronting amanda about the dirty toilet. I thought Meredith's British friends had discussed it with Meredith.

 

[Yellow]

BBM But what is being alleged here is more than that. she supposedly kills her roommate with assistance of boyfriend of one week and a man who was essentially a stranger. And then helps the stranger to sexually assault her roommate. Or did RG offer to assault her first (with their assistance of course) to make MK pay for daring to complain about an unflushed toilet and then all three takes turns stabbing her? :scared: This isn't a case of one roommate killing another over a trivial issue. The claim is that 3 people who barely knew each other sexually assault and kill a 4th over a trivial issue.

As far as I know, MK confronted AK once about the need to use the toilet
brush . AK was embarrassed, apologized, and that was the end of it.

Right, not only do you have to believe that the girl wanted to kill the roommate over a clean room or being quiet you also have to believe her 7 day boyfriend and almost perfect stranger went in on it too

And there is no evidence either AK or RS were these raging drug addicts.all those kids - including MK and the other roommates - did pot in the weeks surounding the murder. Pot is also a drug that puts you down, not an upper, I would suspect that most drug fueled murders take place when people are on higher drugs when they murder for the sake of murdering

Roommates kill other roommates for revenge, sex issues or when they have documented psychological problems.all the cases involved online all were of the sort, one involved eating the dead roommate(obviously sick), one involved getting reported on to the coach, and one (ending in acquittal) involved self defense.

 

[Yellow]

Yes, on the surface it does seem absurd.
And may be.

I think once the scenario has been posed, it takes on a life of it's own, as it were - and then there are things possibly beneath the surface which make it believable (maybe I read too much Freud and Earnest Jones)-and then the oddities of that morning of Nov 2, concerning Knox and Sollecito, begin to snap into place. I guess it is believable to some , and not to others. There were things which raised the suspicions of the police, and I don't think they were being unreasonable in all of it.

It is as if the pro-innocence view is true, but not therapeutic: It doesn't get at the deeper truths. In that purview, the depth of things is ignored. The possibility of Knox sparking something in Guede and Sollecito is wholly ignored: That this could be possible is dismissed out of hand.

This is my view; it's difficult to explain.

I would hate to think 2 innocents are being railroaded. I still waver.

It seems like you can imagine a scenario where they are guilty but are not sure if that is the only scenario. And that is reasonable doubt

 

[Yellow]

No motive is mentioned in any of those links.

And two of these involved men, which is a different scenario than two female. They involved situations where people are physically fighting and one pulls a pocket knife. I cannot imagine that at the very least you would have MK physically fighting with AK, especially when AK has 2 men there supposedly to support her.

Indeed, I think MK would be too polite to even raise the toilet issue that night if AK had guests. She might have asked to quiet down but I doubt she would do more than simply go to her room rather than get herself involved

The sole situation involving women resulted in acquittal, self defense.

 

[Yellow]

Five years to the day after Meredith was stabbed to death by drug and alcohol crazed Knox, Guede and Sollecito, another drugged up US student stabs a friend in Rome. I have wondered whether ecstasy was used on the night that Meredith was murdered because it is known to reduce inhibitions. Whatever drugs were used, it was enough for Sollecito to swear off drug use for the rest of his life. I wonder how Knox is managing her favorite vice of illegal drug abuse.

What evidence of there is drugs other than pot - which all the other people at the cottage also did? I was under the impression none

As as I mentioned these drugged fuel murders rarely involve pot,which is a downer not an upper.

 

[Yellow]

the motive was an argument which escalated, as stated. see post #267.

This case resulted in acquittal because of self defense. This is the complete opposite of what is alleged in AK as the victim had apparently been bullying the suspect for quite a while until she just could take not it anymore so they got into a physical fight and she pulled a pocket knife in anger. The suspect was acquitted bc of self defense. There were also tensions between the girls because one was a lesbian.

Revenge and possibly some sort of sexual thing (or disagreements about it here) was probably an issue here

 

[Amber29]

What evidence of there is drugs other than pot - which all the other people at the cottage also did? I was under the impression none

As as I mentioned these drugged fuel murders rarely involve pot,which is a downer not an upper.

There's no actual proof it is speculation but the only drug test was days after the murder and it was a hair sample. Drugs from the murder night wouldn't have even showed up yet because the hair didn't have enough time to grow.

Otherwise we have AK and RSs word only that all they did is pot and they even lie about that. It has changed from the smoked joint after joint to the point of no memory of the whole night to having only 1-2 or whatever lie he told in his book. They've lied repeatedly forgive me if I don't believe they are telling the truth about only smoking pot that night.

No one here is accusing them of being addicts on hard drugs, we are talking about one night and maybe trying something new. If a drug such as ecstasy was taken there would be no proof as no paraphernalia is needed to pop a pill.
And yes the "clean up/staging" could've been done because the actual high only lasts so long.
This is ALL my opinion.

 

[Yellow]

I think that part of the reason that people from the US developed such a poor reputation in European countries is in part because they seem to perceive that laws don't apply to tourists. Consequently, young adults go to Europe and break the law. I can't help but think of Natalie Holloway and her classmates, who went to Aruba to party hard. That should have been a wake up call about the dangers of getting twisted out of shape in a foreign country.

natalie holloway did nothing to break the law and what she doing (drinking) was legal in Aruba. Of course, being drunk she (and her friends) did not exercise their best judgement (they should have stopped her from going in a car with a strange man) but nothing about that situation has anything to do with her being an American or being out of country.

The drinking age is basically a non law in the US and the same situation could happen in the US. No one honors the drinking age in college, and even high school. Every college student in America has easy access to alcohol and can easily abuse it. They also have access though they have to search harder to drugs.

Indeed, a few years in NYC, 2 girls were out drinking, one went home leaving the other friend, the other goes on to a bar where she is killed by the bouncer.

 

[Yellow]

There's no actual proof it is speculation but the only drug test was days after the murder and it was a hair sample. Drugs from the murder night wouldn't have even showed up yet because the hair didn't have enough time to grow.

Otherwise we have AK and RSs word only that all they did is pot and they even lie about that. It has changed from the smoked joint after joint to the point of no memory of the whole night to having only 1-2 or whatever lie he told in his book. They've lied repeatedly forgive me if I don't believe they are telling the truth about only smoking pot that night.

No one here is accusing them of being addicts on hard drugs, we are talking about one night and maybe trying something new. If a drug such as ecstasy was taken there would be no proof as no paraphernalia is needed to pop a pill.
And yes the "clean up/staging" could've been done because the actual high only lasts so long.
This is ALL my opinion.

Another instance where the prosecution messes up, they easily could have done a urine sample. Pot stays in the system up to 6 months, many other drugs can stay up to 3 days. I am not sure about ecstasy or cocaine on how long it stays in the system but I know pot is quite long bc I once did a child custody case where the women lied to me about doing pot.

I don't think the prosecution has even alleged they were addicts, and I am sure if there was evidence of withdrawal, etc. the tabloids would have uses it.

A drug dealer would have made a killing in the tabloids saying they sold them both drugs.

 

[Yellow]

Here is a case where a woman in her 30s stabbed one of her roommates with a spear over arguments about wasting electricity in the apartment. These things do occur.

http://www.abc27.com/story/21367071/police-woman-stabbed-roommate-with-decorative-spear

This was not a murder , this was an assault charge. The women were fighting about the electricity bill and she stabbed her once. Luckily the women survived. I would suspect too that the stabber had psychological problems. I would suspect that is probably true of many of these cases, that there is a history of psychological problems or issues with the law or school. The stories do not say enough to state that and this one probably resulted in a plea bc I did not find anything about a trial.

IMO none of these cases are really analogous, as they all involve motives like revenge, sex or psychological problems most likely. In these kind of cases, you have to have both people getting so worked up about the situation that it results in something physical, and then people grab something in anger handy in reach and stab the other person.

AK did not have that knife at her easy disposal. Indeed, the knife makes no sense bc why would RS be carrying around his kitchen knife? I also do not think MK was an angry person, I do not think she would have Been confrontational. I also think the same of AK, I don't think she cares what MK thought or if she was scolded by MK.

None of these cases also involved other people getting involved, to the contrary in fact, with the one that ended in acquittal, other girls tries to help the victim.

 

[otto]

Senseless murders happen everyday but a female sexually assaulting and murdering another female using a knife is extremely rare to the point of almost being unheard of.....let alone being done with the help of a new boyfriend of 6 days and some random third guy they'd bumped into and brought along who the new boyfriend didn't even know.....and this murder/rape going down in the space of an hour.....after watching Amelie.

This is a link to female murderers ... scroll to the bottom to pick the state. I suspect that plenty of the murders are violent.

http://murderpedia.org/index-by-country-female.htm

 

[otto]

What evidence of there is drugs other than pot - which all the other people at the cottage also did? I was under the impression none

As as I mentioned these drugged fuel murders rarely involve pot,which is a downer not an upper.

The only evidence that stronger drugs were used is that, allegedly, Knox and Sollecito have no memory of the night of the murder. Pot does not wipe memory.

Sollecito had used stronger drugs in the past.