Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#6

[otto]

Another instance where the prosecution messes up, they easily could have done a urine sample. Pot stays in the system up to 6 months, many other drugs can stay up to 3 days. I am not sure about ecstasy or cocaine on how long it stays in the system but I know pot is quite long bc I once did a child custody case where the women lied to me about doing pot.

I don't think the prosecution has even alleged they were addicts, and I am sure if there was evidence of withdrawal, etc. the tabloids would have uses it.

A drug dealer would have made a killing in the tabloids saying they sold them both drugs.

Knox and Sollecito were not suspects until November 6. How would a urine test help?

 

[MichaelSmith]

The only evidence that stronger drugs were used is that, allegedly, Knox and Sollecito have no memory of the night of the murder. Pot does not wipe memory.

Sollecito had used stronger drugs in the past.

I don't give much weight to a college kid experimenting with a harder drug like cocaine. No one ever came forward to say he regularly used hard drugs. It's just another beat up. What I do give weight to is Guede's friend Momi who testified Guede was a regular user of hard drugs and often off his face drunk bothering girls and trying to steal their handbags.

Amanda's had no memory loss for the night of the murder. See her email home. She was at Raffaele's and that's what she'd been telling the cops for days.

 

[Allusonz]

Knox and Sollecito were not suspects until November 6. How would a urine test help?

Strange!

Edgardo Giobbi himself stated otherwise. In fact he did not require the forensics to know that they were guilty. If one were to believe him, due to their superior abilities and "intuition", the 3 things AK did that was so disturbing to him were the following:

1. Sobbed at the crime scene.
2. Did a La Mamba move while putting on foot covers.
3. Ate pizza at 3 p.m.

In fact they did not even require forensic testing to back up their intuitive investigations!!!


Amanda Knox - Behavior = Guilt/Giobbi:"Case Closed" - YouTube

 

[Allusonz]

We are also talking about drugs and alcohol being involved. Which IMO changes things.

I didn't know anyone knew the specifics about Meredith confronting amanda about the dirty toilet. I thought Meredith's British friends had discussed it with Meredith.

Can a cite be provided, or can it be shown in the transcripts, where the prosecution presented any evidence via tests or eyewitnesses with respect to the drug and alcohol use besides the cannibas.

I believe that one may wish to research how doctors can determine that drugs/alcohol remain in the system. I good starting place would be a rehabilitation centre.

Drugs and alcohol can be detected for much longer periods than many would like one to know about. This includes other markers such as liver enzymes etc.

One might as well like to research how long substances can show up in hair samples, of which AK had blood, urine, and hair sampling done by PLE.

 

[Allusonz]

It is a well sourced and structured website which gives a good overview of the case and all the evidence. A lot of time went into that website. There is no spin. If there are little mistakes you can always contact the owner. I don't think this is the place for these kind of rants. If you don't like the website then why in the world are you reading it?

One may find this article by Nina Burleigh interesting.

"The Amanda Knox Haters Society: How They Learned to Hate Me Too"

In 2009, I sat down with TJMK founder Peter Quennell, who has always claimed he started the site to make sure that no one forgot the victim.

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Quennell then accused me by email of being on the Knox family payroll, informed me that his sources in Perugia had seen me consorting with Amanda’s mother (I had in fact met with her once, in a public place, by then) and eventually started writing about how he was going to “train his scope” on my apartment in Manhattan, and closing emails with “how are the kiddies?”

Read more: The Amanda Knox Haters Society: How They Learned to Hate Me Too | TIME.com http://world.time.com/2013/03/29/th...ow-they-learned-to-hate-me-too/#ixzz2m0TQ12jV

 

[Allusonz]

Nina Burleigh as well had this to state with respect to the so called "mop" incident.

"After a month in Italy doing reporting, however, I realized that some of the “facts” on Quennell’s website didn’t seem to be in the police record in Italy. I emailed him to ask where he had found out that Knox and Sollecito met police standing outside the murder house with a mop and bucket in hand. That damning incident was nowhere in the record, not even the prosecutor would confirm it, nor had Italy’s Polizia Scientifica ever tested such items, which would surely have offered up some useful DNA evidence, had they been used to clean blood."

Read more: The Amanda Knox Haters Society: How They Learned to Hate Me Too | TIME.com http://world.time.com/2013/03/29/th...ow-they-learned-to-hate-me-too/#ixzz2m0TuL5oL

 

[Allusonz]

I don't give much weight to a college kid experimenting with a harder drug like cocaine. No one ever came forward to say he regularly used hard drugs. It's just another beat up. What I do give weight to is Guede's friend Momi who testified Guede was a regular user of hard drugs and often off his face drunk bothering girls and trying to steal their handbags.

Amanda's had no memory loss for the night of the murder. See her email home. She was at Raffaele's and that's what she'd been telling the cops for days.

One would think that if this had of been the case, the prosecution would of had a line of people more than willing to testify to RS being strung out on "drugs".

I personally don't remember one friend testifying to this.

How strange!!!

 

[Allusonz]

I know; but think of the attacks on Fisher. Were they fair, or true? Did they have bearing on his writing? I never thought them worthy of consideration.

To my thinking, ad hominem attacks really have no bearing: The wiki site is indeed quite ordered and expertly translated and linked. I take all info with a liberal and generous mind, and am open to skepticism. Ha, just saw your post, Harmony, Outta here

These "attacks" were not a joke and in were very real. I had oft commented on them during much earlier threads about my concern with respect to them. Nina Burleigh was only one of many that it happened to.

My concern is how easily some seem to brush these off. Is it since they feel that they can "hide" behind an internet user name? If they think that they are very mistaken, and in for a greater shock!!!

 

[otto]

I don't give much weight to a college kid experimenting with a harder drug like cocaine. No one ever came forward to say he regularly used hard drugs. It's just another beat up. What I do give weight to is Guede's friend Momi who testified Guede was a regular user of hard drugs and often off his face drunk bothering girls and trying to steal their handbags.

Judging from the email home, she seems to have a pretty good memory about the night of the murder. She was at Raffaele's and that's what she'd been telling the cops for days.

I did read, early on, that Sollecito had some contact with police regarding hard drugs, and someone posted here that he admitted experimenting with harder drugs in his book.

The problem is with the alibis. Because so many false statements were made, and proven incorrect by investigators, Knox and Sollecito both said that they had consumed alcohol and drugs and could not remember what exactly happened on the night of the murder. For example, when asked about the time of dinner, times of 9:30 - 11 were given. That time conveniently placed them at Sollecito's apartment at the time of the murder. Dr Sollecito's phone call at 8:30ish proved that they had eaten dinner prior to the phone call. Another example is that they claimed that they used the computer throughout the evening, but the last human interaction was at 9:10ish. They claimed that they slept until 10ish in the morning, but computer and phone activity proved that untrue. Their own statements are that they simply couldn't remember.

 

[Allusonz]

That is exactly the problem. People that do not speak Italian are taking legal documents, plugging them into a fun translator and then pretending that they have the facts of the case. The website that is established solely for the purpose of seeing Justice For Meredith has international translators meticulously translating court documents. They have volunteered their time for six years. Where there is ambiguity due to more than one interpretation for a word in context, several professional translators work together to determine the best English translation. This process takes months, not 2 minutes with an online translator.

Some people do speak and read Italian thus I would not assume everyone that posts here uses google translate. I may not of been as fluent a few years back, but this is a new day.

 

[Allusonz]

I did read, early on, that Sollecito had some contact with police regarding hard drugs, and someone posted here that he admitted experimenting with harder drugs in his book.

The problem is with the alibis. Because so many false statements were made, and proven incorrect by investigators, Knox and Sollecito both said that they had consumed alcohol and drugs and could not remember what exactly happened on the night of the murder. For example, when asked about the time of dinner, times of 9:30 - 11 were given. That time conveniently placed them at Sollecito's apartment at the time of the murder. Dr Sollecito's phone call at 8:30ish proved that they had eaten dinner prior to the phone call. Another example is that they claimed that they used the computer throughout the evening, but the last human interaction was at 9:10ish. They claimed that they slept until 10ish in the morning, but computer and phone activity proved that untrue. Their own statements are that they simply couldn't remember.

Please provide the transcripts of the various false statements along with cites if they are not the original trial transcripts.

It is time to stop the misinformation.

 

[Yellow]

The only evidence that stronger drugs were used is that, allegedly, Knox and Sollecito have no memory of the night of the murder. Pot does not wipe memory.

Sollecito had used stronger drugs in the past.

That sort of inference could never be used in any court of law anywhere. Further they could very well have been drinking, and many people have no memories upon drinking. Pot too could have different reactions in different people.

That is hardly evidence of hard drug use,

They could very well have done a urine test 6 days later. It would still have detected pot, which stays in the system up to 6 months and since it was fresh, they maybe could have detected levels the night of the murder or at least an approximation. Other drugs too may stay in the system, many drugs stay at least 3 days. Also, if they were drug addicts as some here imply, they would have been using drugs in the 6 days in between.

I think both of them gave a pretty good time line of the murder, for being allegedly so wiped out.

 

[Amber29]

Can a cite be provided, or can it be shown in the transcripts, where the prosecution presented any evidence via tests or eyewitnesses with respect to the drug and alcohol use besides the cannibas.

I believe that one may wish to research how doctors can determine that drugs/alcohol remain in the system. I good starting place would be a rehabilitation centre.

Drugs and alcohol can be detected for much longer periods than many would like one to know about. This includes other markers such as liver enzymes etc.

One might as well like to research how long substances can show up in hair samples, of which AK had blood, urine, and hair sampling done by PLE.

Do you not consider cannibas a drug, pretty sure they admitted to this?

I know how drug tests work and how far they can go back, thanks.

Can you please cite that AK had blood,urine, and hair sampling to test for drugs done. I think you're the first I've seen say this.

 

[otto]

Please provide the transcripts of the various false statements along with cites if they are not the original trial transcripts.

It is time to stop the misinformation.

All the times are in the Massei report and I recall discussing the times when you were posting months ago. Regarding the changing times for dinner, one of the explanation that was suggested was that they ate dinner three times on the night of the murder. Knox and Sollecito have never made that claim to explain the shifting dinner hour.

There is no misinformation regarding the various times provided for dinner and the false times given for when they woke up.

 

[Allusonz]

I thought this part was interesting: (from above link)

"Chlorine bleaches can remove a Bloodstain to the naked eye but fortunately, forensics experts can use the application of substances such as luminol or phenolphthalein to show that haemoglobin is present. In fact, even if the shady criminal washed a bloodstained item of clothing 10 times, these chemicals could still reveal blood."

So Luminol is in fact HIGHLY sensitive to blood. Sometimes on here, makes me think luminol is dismissable or something.

And it says, they can apply substances such as Luminol to show that haemoglobin is present. So the luminol reacts with the haemoglobin, so why would Luminol react to bleach? Bleach doesn't contain haemoglobin, isn't that a protein? Doesn't that negate the whole theory of the Luminol reacting to bleach from cleaning products, which I have heard over and over on this thread? :scared::scared::scared:

Bleach doens't contain protein, how would the Luminol react to bleach?

I have no doubts that the Luminol footprints are from blood. That is not even a question to dispute, MOO. In my mind. I am firmly convinced it's blood.

However, I do have issues with why that blood didn't test positive for Meredith's DNA?

Luminol reacts to over 300 diferent substances. Bleach is but one.

Luminol, LCN DNA, Stephanoni and perjury, Stephanoni and her so called methodologies are for a different day when I have to time to do a summation.

This lab at the time was not even certified for DNA, let alone the stringent requirements for LCN DNA.

 

[otto]

That sort of inference could never be used in any court of law anywhere. Further they could very well have been drinking, and many people have no memories upon drinking. Pot too could have different reactions in different people.

That is hardly evidence of hard drug use,

They could very well have done a urine test 6 days later. It would still have detected pot, which stays in the system up to 6 months and since it was fresh, they maybe could have detected levels the night of the murder or at least an approximation. Other drugs too may stay in the system, many drugs stay at least 3 days. Also, if they were drug addicts as some here imply, they would have been using drugs in the 6 days in between.

I think both of them gave a pretty good time line of the murder, for being allegedly so wiped out.

It doesn't really matter what could be detected on November 6. It would not reveal what drugs were used on November 1.

 

[Allusonz]

Nova my friend!!! So good to see you back!!! I have missed reading your well thought out posts!

Miley so good to see you again as well. I see a number of people that I have not seen in some time. Ditto for Miley!

It appears that those designer straight (spelling T.M.) are required once again!!!

Good to see you all.

 

[Yellow]

I did read, early on, that Sollecito had some contact with police regarding hard drugs, and someone posted here that he admitted experimenting with harder drugs in his book.

The problem is with the alibis. Because so many false statements were made, and proven incorrect by investigators, Knox and Sollecito both said that they had consumed alcohol and drugs and could not remember what exactly happened on the night of the murder. For example, when asked about the time of dinner, times of 9:30 - 11 were given. That time conveniently placed them at Sollecito's apartment at the time of the murder. Dr Sollecito's phone call at 8:30ish proved that they had eaten dinner prior to the phone call. Another example is that they claimed that they used the computer throughout the evening, but the last human interaction was at 9:10ish. They claimed that they slept until 10ish in the morning, but computer and phone activity proved that untrue. Their own statements are that they simply couldn't remember.

The two of them had done basically the same thing for the past 7 nights in a row. College kids eat dinner all different times. I would venture to guess if you asked many college students - especially if they did pot or alcohol- what time they ate dinner 3 days before they probably would not know exactly, they probably would have a 1-2 hour range.

Alot of people may "wake up" check the computer, email,,and then roll back to sleep or just stay in the bed. I in fact do it often, I sometimes set my alarm, check my email, then go back to sleep, sometimes I do this multiple times before really getting up. Very common behavior especially among college kids who would consider 10 AM to be very early.

 

[MichaelSmith]

I did read, early on, that Sollecito had some contact with police regarding hard drugs, and someone posted here that he admitted experimenting with harder drugs in his book.

The problem is with the alibis. Because so many false statements were made, and proven incorrect by investigators, Knox and Sollecito both said that they had consumed alcohol and drugs and could not remember what exactly happened on the night of the murder. For example, when asked about the time of dinner, times of 9:30 - 11 were given. That time conveniently placed them at Sollecito's apartment at the time of the murder. Dr Sollecito's phone call at 8:30ish proved that they had eaten dinner prior to the phone call. Another example is that they claimed that they used the computer throughout the evening, but the last human interaction was at 9:10ish. They claimed that they slept until 10ish in the morning, but computer and phone activity proved that untrue. Their own statements are that they simply couldn't remember.

Neither of them said they had consumed alcohol.

Why Your Memories Can't Be Trusted

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tedtalks/mystery-of-memory_b_4159290.html

You can trust your own memory -- right? Wrong. Psychologist Elizabeth Loftus shares decades of research showing that when it comes to remembering things, what we swear is fact is often fiction... and sometimes, the consequences of trusting our own memories are life and death.

 

[otto]

The two of them had done basically the same thing for the past 7 nights in a row. College kids eat dinner all different times. I would venture to guess if you asked many college students - especially if they did pot or alcohol- what time they ate dinner 3 days before they probably would not know exactly, they probably would have a 1-2 hour range.

Alot of people may "wake up" check the computer, email,,and then roll back to sleep or just stay in the bed. I in fact do it often, I sometimes set my alarm, check my email, then go back to sleep, sometimes I do this multiple times before really getting up. Very common behavior especially among college kids who would consider 10 AM to be very early.

They were interviewed on November2. That is when the lies began. They had to be re-interviewed each time the lies were revealed.

The computer was used for 30 minutes from 5:32 AM. Sollecito's phone was turned on at 6 AM. They did not sleep until 10.