Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#8

[Amber29]

The thing that bugs me is the smug look on the face of particularly the female lawyer. It all looks peculiarly staged IMO.

I feel like Im trying to be brainwashed into seeing something that isn't there...

Like if its said to me over and over, I'll start to believe it.

 

[otto]

The thing that bugs me is the smug look on the face of particularly the female lawyer. It all looks peculiarly staged IMO.

Their expressions are interesting - also the expression of the climber after he floats (doing the four finger push-up) while examining the shutter hinge.

 

[Katody]

I have answered you, my word. My post #67 covers this.

What should he do from what point? He has yet to prove to me the climb can even be made freely.

Do I think RG sat on the window sill the way the climber did before climbing in? NO

The window still had to be unlatched or something similar by reaching in. There was glass all over the window sill and none brushed off/fallen on the ground. I don't think RG was on that window ledge.

I DO NOT believe the climber reached the ledge without the use of the bars and the video is NOT prove that it's possible. IMO.

I don't know what you mean by "reached the ledge". He clearly demonstrated it's possible to open the window and clear the glass while standing on the foothold below, then to pull up into the open window.

You said before:

IF he were able to make it up on the ledge WITHOUT using the bars, from there he would be able to get in the window.

I think you will agree he demonstrated fully how to get all the way onto the ledge by grabbing the bars. I think you would agree that if the bars were out of the way he would be able to do the same by grabbing the window frame and pushing up from the window sill. With the window open he would easily jump inside propping himself up on the sill like the person in the video, placing one foot on the windowsill on his way in.

I see no reason why Guede would have to brush off glass from the ledge to step inside. I think he piled the pieces of glass himself, clearing the window from jagged pieces before unlatching it, just like the person in the video demonstrated. Then he pulled himself up and inside, just like in the video.

 

[Katody]

The thing that bugs me is the smug look on the face of particularly the female lawyer. It all looks peculiarly staged IMO.

Great point!

Why would they stage it?

 

[Katody]

Also, a fact of the case is that there is a layer of glass on the window sill at the exact location where the climbing enthusiast is leaning his arms. We know that no one leaned on that part of the window sill because the glass was undisturbed, and there was not a shard of glass on the dirt below the window.

Wrong. The glass looks gathered into a pile close to the window. There is no glass where the climber put his hand.

http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/

How do you know this glass is undisturbed, whatever it means?

 

[Katody]

Their expressions are interesting - also the expression of the climber after he floats (doing the four finger push-up) while examining the shutter hinge.

Great! What do the expressions say to you?

 

[Myvice]

Great point!

Why would they stage it?

I have no idea why the media tries to mislead the public.

 

[Amber29]

I don't know what you mean by "reached the ledge". He clearly demonstrated it's possible to open the window and clear the glass while standing on the foothold below, then to pull up into the open window.

You said before:



I think you will agree he demonstrated fully how to get all the way onto the ledge by grabbing the bars. I think you would agree that if the bars were out of the way he would be able to do the same by grabbing the window frame and pushing up from the window sill. With the window open he would easily jump inside propping himself up on the sill like the person in the video, placing one foot on the windowsill on his way in.

I see no reason why Guede would have to brush off glass from the ledge to step inside. I think he piled the pieces of glass himself, clearing the window from jagged pieces before unlatching it, just like the person in the video demonstrated. Then he pulled himself up and inside, just like in the video.

I clearly can not get you to understand. Maybe someone else can explain it.

Going around in circles with obtuse answers won't change my opinion of the video.

I do not agree that without the bars he would be able to do the same. The window was not open, there was a hole in a pane. He would need to be on the ledge and open the window by reaching in.

I'm glad there is no problem with all the glass on the window sill in your opinion. I don't agree.

 

[Myvice]

Wrong. The glass looks gathered into a pile close to the window. There is no glass where the climber put his hand.

http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/

How do you know this glass is undisturbed, whatever it means?

Apparently, the glass being all close to the window says nothing to you, but to some of us it suggests that the shutters were closed. Just a different perspective I guess.

 

[Katody]

I have answered you, my word. My post #67 covers this.

Since your post #67 doesn't answer the question let me clarify.
Given the window is open and the bars are not there, in your opinion there's no way he would be able to enter the window from the position shown in the picture?

 

[Katody]

Apparently, the glass being all close to the window says nothing to you, but to some of us it suggests that the shutters were closed. Just a different perspective I guess.

The rock was thrown in the direction of the closed shutters? Why is there no mark on them but there is a mark and embedded glass on the inner shades?

Can you exclude the shutters were pulled in after breaking the glass?

 

[Amber29]

Since your post #67 doesn't answer the question let me clarify.
Given the window is open and the bars are not there, in your opinion there's no way he would be able to enter the window from the position shown in the picture?

Why are we using hypotheticals that weren't the case for the murder night?

NO I DO NOT believe the climber has even demonstrated the climb can be done freely. Why would I speculate whether he can get in through an open window?

 

[Myvice]

I clearly can not get you to understand. Maybe someone else can explain it.

Going around in circles with obtuse answers won't change my opinion of the video.

I do not agree that without the bars he would be able to do the same. The window was not open, there was a hole in a pane. He would need to be on the ledge and open the window by reaching in.

I'm glad there is no problem with all the glass on the window sill in your opinion. I don't agree.

I don't think it's a problem with the way you've explained it at all. I understand you perfectly.

He also would have had to climb up twice...the first time to open the shutters. Were there shutters on the other window he allegedly broke? It takes someone pretty brain dead to look for the most difficult window in the city to break into.

Incidently, I don't necessarily think it's impossible to do. It just seems ridiculous to me. Nobody has to agree with my opinion.

 

[Katody]

The window was not open, there was a hole in a pane. He would need to be on the ledge and open the window by reaching in.

He reached in and opened the window while standing on the foothold below, just like the guy demonstrated on the video. What's the problem with that?

 

[Amber29]

I don't think it's a problem with the way you've explained it at all. I understand you perfectly.

He also would have had to climb up twice...the first time to open the shutters. Were there shutters on the other window he allegedly broke? It takes someone pretty brain dead to look for the most difficult window in the city to break into.

Incidently, I don't necessarily think it's impossible to do. It just seems ridiculous to me. Nobody has to agree with my opinion.

Thank you! I am so glad to hear I'm not losing my mind!

 

[Amber29]

He reached in and opened the window while standing on the foothold below, just like the guy demonstrated on the video. What's the problem with that?

I don't agree with you. Again you are making assumptions that the video does not prove. It was filmed at the waist up at that point.

 

[Myvice]

The rock was thrown in the direction of the closed shutters? Why is there no mark on them but there is a mark and embedded glass on the inner shades?

Can you exclude the shutters were pulled in after breaking the glass?

Can you exclude that the shutters were never opened at the time the glass was broken? With a rock that size someone could have broken it from the inside just by hitting the glass with the rock after placing the clothes all around the room then just dropped the rock.

I've seen the mark on the inside shutter but haven't heard about imbedded glass in them. I'd be interested in that. The mark could have been made at any time. The imbedded glass may change my mind, I'd have to read it.

 

[Katody]

Why are we using hypotheticals that weren't the case for the murder night?

NO I DO NOT believe the climber has even demonstrated the climb can be done freely. Why would I speculate whether he can get in through an open window?

So you do believe he lied when ha said it was easy to do even for an amateur.
You also do believe the TV station produced a very unethical manipulation o facts with trick montage of video.

This is a bold claim that I think requires some justification.

I cannot think about any reason why a Perugian doctor, member of a climbing club identified by name would take part in such an unethical manipulation.

Can you?

 

[Myvice]

So you do believe he lied when ha said it was easy to do even for an amateur.
You also do believe the TV station produced a very unethical manipulation o facts with trick montage of video.

This is a bold claim that I think requires some justification.

I cannot think about any reason why a Perugian doctor, member of a climbing club identified by name would take part in such an unethical manipulation.

Can you?

Didn't you see this same kind of thing in the Arias trial on a daily basis? I sure did.

 

[Katody]

I don't agree with you. Again you are making assumptions that the video does not prove. It was filmed at the waist up at that point.

What do you think happened below the waist?

I grant them they didn't fake it with tricks out of the frame. Why do you think it's wrong to assume good faith?