Amy Bradley, 23, Disappeared from cruise ship en route to Curaçao, 24 March 1998 #4

[Hiandmighty]

Yes it was Carlos and Charlie’s, the bar renowned for girls being served drinks laced with date rape drugs. Although it doubtfully was the only one.

Link please, thanks. About “renowned for serving girls drinks laced with date rape drugs.”

I can show my daughter and tell her to stay away next month.


I have extensively googled and found nothing.

 

[Dushi]

Yes it was Carlos and Charlie’s, the bar renowned for girls being served drinks laced with date rape drugs. Although it doubtfully was the only one.

Amy didn't go to Carlos and charlies so it seems unimportant JMO
whatever happened, likely happened on the ship

I really don't have a solid theory about this.Its a mystery to me
I have questions about the immediate reaction from her family as do others. She was an adult, they Knew she has her cigarettes with her, she could have been smoking somewhere
I also question the remarks she was said to have made about Yellow as( IIRC,) they continued to party together til early morning. Couldn't have been too uncomfortable

I don't believe it was suicide.
I am very uncertain about the sightings
All JMHO

 

[Dushi]

Link please, thanks. About “renowned for serving girls drinks laced with fate rape drugs.”

I can show my daughter and tell her to stay away next month.

Nothing to worry about as far as C and C goes.
The bar is no longer on the Island

 

[liltexans]

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[neesaki]

Link please, thanks. About “renowned for serving girls drinks laced with date rape drugs.”

I can show my daughter and tell her to stay away next month.


I have extensively googled and found nothing.

I just went through my old file, the news links I had are no longer there. There may still be some travelers accounts in the blogs, forums and travel sites if you want to look there though.

 

[trenchmouth]

Link please, thanks. About “renowned for serving girls drinks laced with date rape drugs.”

I can show my daughter and tell her to stay away next month.


I have extensively googled and found nothing.

<modsnip>

It does happen. I know of a girl that was drugged, held captive, and raped in Barcelona after befriending a few guys at a bar. They handed her off to a middle age man who did the disgusting deed. Was held captive over 24 hours.

It can happen anywhere and often goes unreported. Does C&C have a reputation of this happening? probably. Does it happen? 100% yes. It happens even in the nicest appearing bars in the nicest of towns as well.

I could find articles I'm sure, but let's move on to discussing Amy.



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[liltexans]

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[Hiandmighty]

As with others, the links in my files are broken. So I have nothing about my first example of Iva and problems with the truth.

The second example is obviously from the lawsuit where she and Ron "perpetrated a fraud on the court" and were fined $6600

"26. However, Iva Bradley stated at the deposition that they had received a written statement from Mr. Maldonado, one of the witnesses listed in the Plaintiff's response to interrogatory 17. Deposition of Iva p. 53 attached at exhibit C to defendant's motion to dismiss for fraud on the court

29. This court need not address whether the supplement can undo prior false answers (read more here)

31. Therefore the Court concludes the Plaintiff's joint response is false and misleading and that the Bradleys were attenpting to hinder the defendant's ability to defend when they failed to produce Mr. Maldonado's statement.

32. The evidence clearly and convincingly establishes that there was no valid, non-fradulent reason for Mr. and Mrs. Bradley to omit sightings... in short, the plaintiffs were attempting to perpetuate a fraud on the court

Page 9: https://ibb.co/geoLbQ
Page 10: https://ibb.co/dqpRGQ
Page 11: https://ibb.co/eOBHO5

 

[Hiandmighty]

Also from the court record:

"...his daughter had last been seen by a family member laying on the chaise lounge on the family's private balcony at approximately 5 am."

https://ibb.co/hxQSO5

The FBI also says she was last seen by her family.

 

[Hiandmighty]

David Carmichael called in his sighing 4 months later

"The most intriguing lead came from David Carmichael, 46, a Canadian computer engineer and avid scuba diver, who is certain he saw Amy with two men on the beach in Curaçao in August 1998&#8212;five months after she disappeared. &#8220;She looked frightened, like she was about to say something, when one of the guys motioned her away and gave me a menacing look,&#8221; says Carmichael. He thought nothing of it until that December, when he saw a picture of Amy on America&#8217;s Most Wanted. &#8220;I was stunned,&#8221; says Carmichael, who flew to Virginia to meet the Bradleys. &#8220;I am haunted by that encounter with Amy. I know it was her.&#8221;

http://people.com/archive/cover-story-desperate-for-answers-vol-56-no-4/

Can anyone here remember what hairstyle you had 4 months ago or what you wore on this day 4 months ago?


Reposting an earlier link:
http://opd.ohio.gov/Portals/0/PDF/WC...tification.pdf

"Recently, post-conviction DNA exonerations of innocent persons have dramatically highlighted the problems with eyewitness identifications.6,7 In the United States, more than 300 exonerations have resulted from post- conviction DNA testing since 1989.8

According to the Innocence Project, at least one mistaken eyewitness identification was present in almost three- quarters of DNA exonerations.9 In many of these cases, eyewitness identification played a significant evidentiary role, and almost without exception, the eyewitnesses who testified expressed complete confidence that they had chosen the perpetrator. Many eyewitnesses testified with high confidence despite earlier expressions of uncertainty.10"

"Human vision does not capture a perfect, error-free &#8220;trace&#8221; of a witnessed event. What an individual actually perceives can be heavily influenced by bias18 and expectations derived from cultural factors, behavioral goals, emotions, and prior experiences with the world. For eyewitness identification to take place, perceived information must be encoded in memory, stored, and subsequently retrieved. As time passes, memories become less stable. In addition, suggestion and the exposure to new information may influence and distort what the individual believes she or he has seen."


BBM

 

[smile22]

Didn’t Amy’s family hire a man a pi would said he would have info or get info and lied to them for money. I think that now that she’s older she probably is not used in the trafficking prostitution they may be using her as a maid type person for these men to clean there houses clean up after they use the women for sex? I feel like it’s been so long that even if she could escape she wouldn’t know who to trust because she would be afraid of being sent back.

Yellow def knew something


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[Dushi]

David Carmichael called in his sighing 4 months later

"The most intriguing lead came from David Carmichael, 46, a Canadian computer engineer and avid scuba diver, who is certain he saw Amy with two men on the beach in Curaçao in August 1998&#8212;five months after she disappeared. &#8220;She looked frightened, like she was about to say something, when one of the guys motioned her away and gave me a menacing look,&#8221; says Carmichael. He thought nothing of it until that December, when he saw a picture of Amy on America&#8217;s Most Wanted. &#8220;I was stunned,&#8221; says Carmichael, who flew to Virginia to meet the Bradleys. &#8220;I am haunted by that encounter with Amy. I know it was her.&#8221;

http://people.com/archive/cover-story-desperate-for-answers-vol-56-no-4/

Can anyone here remember what hairstyle you had 4 months ago or what you wore on this day 4 months ago?


Reposting an earlier link:
http://opd.ohio.gov/Portals/0/PDF/WC...tification.pdf

"Recently, post-conviction DNA exonerations of innocent persons have dramatically highlighted the problems with eyewitness identifications.6,7 In the United States, more than 300 exonerations have resulted from post- conviction DNA testing since 1989.8

According to the Innocence Project, at least one mistaken eyewitness identification was present in almost three- quarters of DNA exonerations.9 In many of these cases, eyewitness identification played a significant evidentiary role, and almost without exception, the eyewitnesses who testified expressed complete confidence that they had chosen the perpetrator. Many eyewitnesses testified with high confidence despite earlier expressions of uncertainty.10"

Ok, this is the reason I have a problem with this sighting
In his own words he says he thought nothing of it
It seems to me that he wasn't alarmed by it
Unless I experienced serious emotion, fright, alarm, etc, I doubt very much I would remember a stranger when I saw a photo four months later
According to his words, he never gave it another thought

I have no idea if this man saw Amy or someone that resembled Amy
I simply would not have remembered a face I caught a glance of

JMO

 

[Hiandmighty]

Ok, this is the reason I have a problem with this sighting
In his own words he says he thought nothing of it
It seems to me that he wasn't alarmed by it
Unless I experienced serious emotion, fright, alarm, etc, I doubt very much I would remember a stranger when I saw a photo four months later
According to his words, he never gave it another thought

I have no idea if this man saw Amy or someone that resembled Amy
I simply would not have remembered a face I caught a glance of

JMO

That is part of why I don't count this sighting. He did nothing at the time, so obviously nothing bad or interesting was going on. MOO

 

[Hiandmighty]

Just a suggestion and not telling anyone what to do


When you go out today and run an errand, find somebody with a tattoo. But don't get too close and only glance for a minute.

Just a suggestion for an experiment: Mark your calendar 4 months from today with "Tattoo". Don't write down the tattoo you saw. 4 months from today, try to remember it. Try to describe the person, the person with that person and another person in the area.

August 20, 2018.

 

[JSolt1210]

Also, it was the waiter who expressed condolences to the family over Amy, not yellow. This is also in thread 2.

Was it, though? According to Disappeared:

"Brad remembered having a disturbing encounter with Douglas [aka, "Yellow"]. 'I'm sitting by the pool at a table and up walks this guy, and the first thing he says is, "I'm sorry to hear about your sister"', Brad said. In retrospect, he says that he finds the timing of Douglas' statements suspicious, due to the fact that he says that there had been no announcement about Amy's disappearance."

Source: http://crimefeed.com/2018/04/disappeared-amy-bradley/

 

[JSolt1210]

If she had been depressed and anxious (her cruise photos to me show a sad visage) and went missing, that could cause panic right away. That would point to suicide IMO

The biggest argument against the suicide theory, according to the family, is that Amy basically had everything going for her, and that she was happy with her life, and that you can see her having a good time on ship footage etc.

However, I've read that people who decide to die by suicide are often happy and sociable and even fun prior to their deaths—because, in their mind, they know that very soon there will be an end and relief to their inner turmoil and pain.

Personally, I don't believe she died by suicide, but I don't think we should rule it out just because of a particular range of emotions she displayed in her final days.

 

[Mica]

<modsnip>

First off, out of 3,000 passengers tell me how Iva knows this?
That Amy’s was the only photos missing? It’s ridiculous.


Amy likely threw her photos away. My kids do that on the cruise all the time.

There is 1/2 a floor devoted to the thousands of photos. They are
All laid out on walls and anyone can throw them away. Tell me who paid for Amy’s pictures.


3,000 passengers means there were likely at least 6,000 photos.

Iva also said the FBI never gave them any help. Iva said many things that turned out to not be true.


They offered to reprint the photos for Iva she never picked them up.

Iva doesn’t say in this article that Amy’s photos were the only ones missing.

I’m thinking Iva didn’t pick up the reprinted photos because Amy disappeared the next morning. Iva was probably more concerned about the whereabouts of her missing daughter and never gave the reprints a second thought.

The FBI’s hands were tied to an extent because of international law just as they were in the Natalee Holloway case. Very easy for a parent to say the FBI was of no help.

Thinking Iva might have said things that weren’t true because she was was given mixed information from different parties. As the info changed, so did her comments. IMO

 

[Mica]

Link please, thanks. About “renowned for serving girls drinks laced with date rape drugs.”

I can show my daughter and tell her to stay away next month.


I have extensively googled and found nothing.

>>snip

Holloway's father, Dave, said he's always suspected that she was given a date rape drug before she disappeared.

"The first thing that was told to me by the lead detective on the case when this first happened was that when you go to Carlos N Charlie's [the nightclub where Van der Sloot said he met Holloway], watch your drink, because people have a tendency to put stuff in them. He even indicated to me that he puts on a presentation at the local schools on a monthly basis, warning students about the dangers of date rape drugs."

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/story?id=4295570&page=1

 

[trenchmouth]

That is part of why I don't count this sighting. He did nothing at the time, so obviously nothing bad or interesting was going on. MOO

Link please

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[Dushi]

Link please

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The most intriguing lead came from David Carmichael, 46, a Canadian computer engineer and avid scuba diver, who is certain he saw Amy with two men on the beach in Curaçao in August 1998—five months after she disappeared. “She looked frightened, like she was about to say something, when one of the guys motioned her away and gave me a menacing look,” says Carmichael. He thought nothing of it until that December, when he saw a picture of Amy on America’s Most Wanted. “I was stunned,” says Carmichael, who flew to Virginia to meet the Bradleys. “I am haunted by that encounter with Amy. I know it was her.”


http://people.com/archive/cover-story-desperate-for-answers-vol-56-no-4/