Amy Bradley, 23, Disappeared from cruise ship en route to Curaçao, 24 March 1998 #4

[Hiandmighty]

ETA: link https://ibb.co/mQFNqk

19. It appears they were attempting to keep the defendant from finding out about any witnesses who would rebut their claim that Amy was being held somewhere under duress."

20 "The court finds that the evidence clearly establishes that the Bradleys... were attempting to misdirect the court and the defendant when they omitted purported witnesses from their answer."

 

[CoolJ]

Whether it was Yellow or a waiter that was sympathetic to Brad before the announcement was made regarding Amy missing

Who said it was the waiter? I must have missed that. I always thought it was Yellow and/or the band members??

 

[Hiandmighty]

Who said it was the waiter? I must have missed that. I always thought it was Yellow and/or the band members??

You have to go read it. It is unclear who said it originally but it was treated as fact in the first say 10 pages of thread #2 (i'm not sure if any of it is in thread #1).

I believe the last name is Cibraro.

 

[Dushi]

Who said it was the waiter? I must have missed that. I always thought it was Yellow and/or the band members??

You could look back through the thread as I don't recall who said it
It is there someplace

 

[CoolJ]

You could look back through the thread as I don't recall who said it
It is there someplace

All of the official reports and quotes says it was Yellow and/or the band members who said it. I would go with that.

 

[Mica]

You have to go read it. It is unclear who said it originally but it was treated as fact in the first say 10 pages of thread #2 (i'm not sure if any of it is in thread #1).

I believe the last name is Cibraro.

There were other crew members who spent time with Amy, Katalin (from Hungary), Eduardo Cabrito (a waiter), David Cato (a waiter), and, Patrick (a waiter).

http://www.cruiseshipmissing.com/19...passenger-rhapsody-of-the-seas-march-24-1998/

 

[Hiandmighty]

There were other crew members who spent time with Amy, Katalin (from Hungary), Eduardo Cabrito (a waiter), David Cato (a waiter), and, Patrick (a waiter).

http://www.cruiseshipmissing.com/19...passenger-rhapsody-of-the-seas-march-24-1998/

Cabrito is the one who may have said it depending on what you believe. The quote should have an asterick by it IMO. The timeline is wonky too on when the person said it. IIRC

 

[Hiandmighty]

No evidence of an abduction or suicide (original lawsuit)

"Bradley's father last saw her on the balcony of their suite as the ship approached the Caribbean port of Curacao. Despite an on board search by Royal Caribbean, a sea search by the U.S. Coast Guard and the assistance of the FBI, neither Bradley's body nor evidence of an abduction were found during the days following the disappearance. The family has ruled out suicide, given their daughter's personality and state-of-mind. Bradley was to begin a new job upon return to Virginia and had purchased items during the trip to decorate a new apartment."

http://amybradley.net/lawsuit.htm

 

[Tricia]

Hi Everyone,

You can discuss the fact that Amy's parents lost their case against the cruise line and they were ordered to pay a fine. The court found the parents misrepresented their case against the cruise line.

However, how much there is left to be discussed about this aspect of the case is questionable. Those are the facts.

You CANNOT BASH THE FAMILY. No more name calling. STOP. Do not call anyone LIARS. No name calling period.

If you state something as fact please provide a link. If you don't have a link to back you up then you must make it clear your post is your opinion.

Thank You,

Tricia

 

[neesaki]

It doesn’t matter if the sightings are valid or not.
“Perpetrated a frUd on the court”.
The judge found they committed fraud and fined them $6600.

The court found they weren’t truthful. They lied to the court and were fined because of it.

Then in the court docs, they said they were trying to protect Amy and the court proved that was a lie too.

I read that last link but didn’t see anything about the Bradley’s lying. The judge ruled they had concealed evidence of sightings of Amy, and ruled they had “perpetrated a fraud on the court”. If they had actually lied under oath I would think that would have constituted perjury. Either way I can’t find anything stating they “lied” to the court. Here’s what I’ve found thus far.

http://www.travelweekly.com/Cruise-Travel/Cruise-line-s-law-firm-seeks-fine-in-missing-person-case

 

[Mica]

All of the official reports and quotes says it was Yellow and/or the band members who said it. I would go with that.

>>snip

Brad remembered having a disturbing encounter with Douglas. “I’m sitting by the pool at a table and up walks this guy, and the first thing he says is, ‘I’m sorry to hear about your sister‘,” Brad said. In retrospect, he says that he finds the timing of Douglas’ statements suspicious, due to the fact that he says that there had been no announcement about Amy’s disappearance.

http://crimefeed.com/2018/04/disappeared-amy-bradley/

 

[Dushi]

Band member Alister Douglas, who goes by the moniker "Yellow," told CNN that Bradley joined band members for a drink at the ship's dance club after the band's performance. He said he parted with Bradley at about 1 a.m. and headed to the staff elevator. She went off in another direction, he said, but did not see where she went.

He recalled that he was awakened in his room at about 6 a.m. by a cruise line manager, who asked if Bradley was with him. Investigators searched his room, and those of his band mates later that day, but nothing was found, he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/12/31/grace.coldcase.bradley/index.html

I think Yellow would have known at that moment that Amy was missing

 

[Hiandmighty]

I read that last link but didn’t see anything about the Bradley’s lying. The judge ruled they had concealed evidence of sightings of Amy, and ruled they had “perpetrated a fraud on the court”. If they had actually lied under oath I would think that would have constituted perjury. Either way I can’t find anything stating they “lied” to the court. Here’s what I’ve found thus far.

http://www.travelweekly.com/Cruise-Travel/Cruise-line-s-law-firm-seeks-fine-in-missing-person-case

Read all the links. Its all in black and white. Fraud. They attempted to misdirect the court. They stated why. The court found that wasn't true either.

I don't really feel like going back again when people can read it for themselves

20. "False integerratory answers"

21. "False answers"

https://ibb.co/kPDsqk

ETA: 29 "prior false answers"

31: Plaintiff's response is "false and misleading"

https://ibb.co/dqpRGQ

32. "No valid, non-fradulant reasons"

"Undermind the integrity of our system" https://ibb.co/eOBHO5

 

[neesaki]

Read all the links. Its all in black and white. Fraud. They attempted to misdirect the court. They stated why. The court found that wasn't true either.

I don't really feel like going back again when people can read it for themselves

20. "False integerratory answers"

21. "False answers"

https://ibb.co/kPDsqk

I didn’t recall asking or even implying that I wanted you to go back and do anything. I simply stated that link is all I had found and I posted it.

The Bradley’s didn’t believe Amy was living freely and not under duress, that’s why they didn’t provide those witnesses. It was against their conscience because they didn’t see it that way. They obviously believed she was under duress because as far as they were concerned she had been taken against her will and was being held against her will. RC and their high dollar high powered attorneys were determined to do whatever it took to discredit the Bradleys and cover their own a$$. It’s as simple as that.

 

[Mica]

Band member Alister Douglas, who goes by the moniker "Yellow," told CNN that Bradley joined band members for a drink at the ship's dance club after the band's performance. He said he parted with Bradley at about 1 a.m. and headed to the staff elevator. She went off in another direction, he said, but did not see where she went.

He recalled that he was awakened in his room at about 6 a.m. by a cruise line manager, who asked if Bradley was with him. Investigators searched his room, and those of his band mates later that day, but nothing was found, he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/12/31/grace.coldcase.bradley/index.html

I think Yellow would have known at that moment that Amy was missing

I don’t believe Yellow was telling the truth. Management might have gone to his room, but it was sometime after 7 AM.

>>snip

Ron Bradley said he awoke about 6 A.M. and saw Amy was not in the room or on the balcony. He went to search for her and at about 7 A.M., he said, he ran into the ship's security chief, Lou Costello, and alerted him. He then woke his wife.

https://www.nytimes.com/1998/11/16/us/for-missing-woman-s-family-no-answers.html

 

[Mica]

I didn’t recall asking or even implying that I wanted you to go back and do anything. I simply stated that link is all I had found and I posted it.

The Bradley’s didn’t believe Amy was living freely and not under duress, that’s why they didn’t provide those witnesses. It was against their conscience because they didn’t see it that way. They obviously believed she was under duress because as far as they were concerned she had been taken against her will and was being held against her will. RC and their high dollar high powered attorneys were determined to do whatever it took to discredit the Bradleys and cover their own a$$. It’s as simple as that.

Going up against RC and their high powered attorneys is like going up against the Pope, IMO. Maybe if the Bradley’s had hired a high priced maritime attorney, things would have turned out differently. Neesaki, I agree with your theory of why the Bradley’s did what they did.

 

[Dushi]

I don’t believe Yellow was telling the truth. Management might have gone to his room, but it was sometime after 7 AM.

>>snip

Ron Bradley said he awoke about 6 A.M. and saw Amy was not in the room or on the balcony. He went to search for her and at about 7 A.M., he said, he ran into the ship's security chief, Lou Costello, and alerted him. He then woke his wife.

https://www.nytimes.com/1998/11/16/us/for-missing-woman-s-family-no-answers.html

He could be lying, I really don't know one way or another. Trying to look at all sides As I said , My mind is not made up in any direction so I want to keep an open mind and not make the rumors or facts fit my theory
But It was easy(back then) to check to see if a staff member approached his room while looking for Amy

Cruise ships, hotels, they are like small villages.
When something happens everyone knows quickly
So there is a possibility that Yellow and many other staff were aware of her missing long before an annoucement was made
Thats all I am saying

 

[Hiandmighty]

I didn’t recall asking or even implying that I wanted you to go back and do anything. I simply stated that link is all I had found and I posted it.

The Bradley’s didn’t believe Amy was living freely and not under duress, that’s why they didn’t provide those witnesses. It was against their conscience because they didn’t see it that way. They obviously believed she was under duress because as far as they were concerned she had been taken against her will and was being held against her will. RC and their high dollar high powered attorneys were determined to do whatever it took to discredit the Bradleys and cover their own a$$. It’s as simple as that.

I guess I just don’t see that it is ever ok to lie to the court.

For what it is worth, the judge found that was not a truth to say they were concerned for her safety as some of their witnesses came forth before they ever went down the road that she was some kind of trafficking victim. That is also in the court record; the judge specifically called that reasoning out as a false answer.

13 https://ibb.co/bx55Ak

14 and 15 https://ibb.co/mtX7O5

16 (paraphrased) safety concerns could not have been a reason

Regardless, I wanted to explain why I take what the family says with a healthy skepticism. Your mileage may vary.

:fishy:

 

[CoolJ]

I didn’t recall asking or even implying that I wanted you to go back and do anything. I simply stated that link is all I had found and I posted it.

The Bradley’s didn’t believe Amy was living freely and not under duress, that’s why they didn’t provide those witnesses. It was against their conscience because they didn’t see it that way. They obviously believed she was under duress because as far as they were concerned she had been taken against her will and was being held against her will. RC and their high dollar high powered attorneys were determined to do whatever it took to discredit the Bradleys and cover their own a$$. It’s as simple as that.

Exactly neesaki! Conflating this to make it sound as if the Bradleys were being purposefully deceitful is highly disingenuous to put it mildly. Anything they did was to help find their daughter and on the advice of their attorneys.

 

[trenchmouth]

Exactly neesaki! Conflating this to make it sound as if the Bradleys were being purposefully deceitful is highly disingenuous to put it mildly. Anything they did was to help find their daughter and on the advice of their attorneys.

Ditto.

Some of the comments wildly posted here are offensive to the family IMHO.

To see Iva get emotional on Disappeared program was difficult to watch. I feel for her.

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