Amy Bradley, 23, Disappeared from cruise ship en route to Curaçao, 24 March 1998 #4

[Hiandmighty]

You may be correct, but i don't think it is always that simple
Other things can happen when a body is in warm water
It would not be the first body to go into the water and not surface, if in fact this happened at all

Amy is quoted as saying the water in Aruba was “freezing”... given the height from any deck, breaking her neck or the shock of falling into freezing water could have resulted in immediate drowning. Bodies in the ocean tend to not surface. Crabs can dismantle a body in an hour or two.

I have a blue water boat. Going overboard is a giant risk whether from a 30 foot boat or a cruise ship.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Definitely impulsive.


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With the azopod engines and turbines and given the forward motion of the ship, in all likelihood she would have been sucked under and it would have been an instant death.

With our boat, the captain has a Laynard to the engine controls so if the captain goes overboard, the engines stop immediately and he/she doesn’t get hacked to death by the propellers. It’s a serious risk.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Link about recreational boats and the danger of propeller strikes:
http://boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/propstrike.htm


Dangers of man overboard in maritime industry:
https://www.denenapoints.com/dangers-man-overboard-accident-fatalities-maritime-industry/

“Our Galveston maritime accident lawyers point out that a worker that’s fallen overboard could be exposed to the fatal risks of hypothermia, deep water and drowning, dangerous propellers and other moving machine parts, sharks, jellyfish, and traumatic injuries caused by the fall and impact with water. Depending on a person’s trajectory, hitting a water surface could have the same impact as hitting a hard and solid floor.

Shock, dehydration, trauma injuries, water intake, blood loss, and paralysis could all result from an MOB accident. In cold-water environments, hypothermia resulting in death can result within minutes of the MOB fall.”

 

[Mica]

Amy is quoted as saying the water in Aruba was “freezing”... given the height from any deck, breaking her neck or the shock of falling into freezing water could have resulted in immediate drowning. Bodies in the ocean tend to not surface. Crabs can dismantle a body in an hour or two.

I have a blue water boat. Going overboard is a giant risk whether from a 30 foot boat or a cruise ship.

Do you have a link for Amy saying the “water was freezing?”

 

[Hiandmighty]

Correction: it was Ron Iva and Brad who said the water in Aruba was feeezing:

“Eschewing the island tour, the family rented a Jeep for the day to explore Aruba on their own. They ended up lost on dirty off- roads, in a windy, hot desert.

“Once back in civilization, the Bradleys had lunch at a Taco Bell and then drove to Palm Beach where Iva, Ron and Brad swam in the ocean, calling to Amy, laughing, "Come on in, the water's freezing!”

https://m.styleweekly.com/richmond/part-ii/Content?oid=1390780

 

[Mica]

Link about recreational boats and the danger of propeller strikes:
http://boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/propstrike.htm


Dangers of man overboard in maritime industry:
https://www.denenapoints.com/dangers-man-overboard-accident-fatalities-maritime-industry/

“Our Galveston maritime accident lawyers point out that a worker that’s fallen overboard could be exposed to the fatal risks of hypothermia, deep water and drowning, dangerous propellers and other moving machine parts, sharks, jellyfish, and traumatic injuries caused by the fall and impact with water. Depending on a person’s trajectory, hitting a water surface could have the same impact as hitting a hard and solid floor.

Shock, dehydration, trauma injuries, water intake, blood loss, and paralysis could all result from an MOB accident. In cold-water environments, hypothermia resulting in death can result within minutes of the MOB fall.”

That article is talking about commercial maritime overboard accidents. Not the same with cruise ship MOB’s.

From your link:

>>snip

An MOB accident occurs where a person falls from a boat, ship, or helicopter into the water and requires rescue. Trip and falls, slipping on deck, unstable cranes or working platforms, catching on nets, lines, or ropes, sudden changes of direction due to high seas, high winds, working at heights, fatigue, and unexpected machine movements could be responsible for causing an MOB accident.

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If you fall overboard, what is the chance of getting struck by the ship’s propellers?


Anthony Holst - Aerospace Engineer

Getting hit by the ship's propellers is the last thing you'll need to worry about if you fall overboard from say a large cruise ship. These deep hulled ships will push you away as they move forward and displace water. Your biggest problem is surviving the fall, remaining conscious and praying someone saw you go overboard. If not, you're practically (from the get go) as good as dead.

https://www.quora.com/If-you-fall-o...nce-of-getting-struck-by-the-ships-propellers


Another response saying the same ... https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-...peller-if-a-passenger-jumps-off-a-cruise-ship

 

[Mica]

Correction: it was Ron Iva and Brad who said the water in Aruba was feeezing:

“Eschewing the island tour, the family rented a Jeep for the day to explore Aruba on their own. They ended up lost on dirty off- roads, in a windy, hot desert.

“Once back in civilization, the Bradleys had lunch at a Taco Bell and then drove to Palm Beach where Iva, Ron and Brad swam in the ocean, calling to Amy, laughing, "Come on in, the water's freezing!”

https://m.styleweekly.com/richmond/part-ii/Content?oid=1390780

I didn’t think Amy said the water was freezing.

It’s been said Amy had a fear of the ocean and she didn’t like what was swimming in it. The comment by her parents was sarcasm at it’s finest, and nothing more. In March, the water temps in Aruba are approx. 77-79 degrees F, far from freezing. That’s a fact.

 

[Hiandmighty]

That article is talking about commercial maritime overboard accidents. Not the same with cruise ship MOB’s.

From your link:

>>snip

An MOB accident occurs where a person falls from a boat, ship, or helicopter into the water and requires rescue. Trip and falls, slipping on deck, unstable cranes or working platforms, catching on nets, lines, or ropes, sudden changes of direction due to high seas, high winds, working at heights, fatigue, and unexpected machine movements could be responsible for causing an MOB accident.

—————————-
If you fall overboard, what is the chance of getting struck by the ship’s propellers?


Anthony Holst - Aerospace Engineer

Getting hit by the ship's propellers is the last thing you'll need to worry about if you fall overboard from say a large cruise ship. These deep hulled ships will push you away as they move forward and displace water. Your biggest problem is surviving the fall, remaining conscious and praying someone saw you go overboard. If not, you're practically (from the get go) as good as dead.

https://www.quora.com/If-you-fall-o...nce-of-getting-struck-by-the-ships-propellers

Amy’s accident happened in 1998. 1998 technology and ship hull construction.

 

[Hiandmighty]

I didn’t think Amy said the water was freezing.

It’s been said Amy had a fear of the ocean and she didn’t like what was swimming in it. The comment by her parents was sarcasm at it’s finest, and nothing more. In March, the water temps in Aruba are approx. 77-79 degrees F, far from freezing. That’s a fact.

Tell me with certainly how sarcasm is inferred there.

It was April and they were not in the gulf stream

 

[Mica]

Tell me with certainly how sarcasm is inferred there.

It was April and they were not in the gulf stream

Guess you’ve never been to the Caribbean in the Spring months. Water is always warm in the ABC Islands.

 

[Hiandmighty]

There is a huge misconception here on this thread about what constitutes cold water. Body temp is 98.6. The body equalizes water temperature and once body temperature is below around 92, hypothermia sets in.

Water temperature of below 94 is hypothermia inducing water temperature: 77-79 degree water is freezing. Do an experiment on yourself this weekend.

It’s all in the archives here— I posted the rubric years ago.

Source: husband is a physician

 

[Hiandmighty]

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/hypothermia/symptoms-causes/syc-20352682

“Hypothermia (hi-poe-THUR-me-uh) occurs as your body temperature falls below 95 F (35 C)”

 

[Mica]

Amy’s accident happened in 1998. 1998 technology and ship hull construction.

Lol.....it doesn’t matter. The FBI and US Coast guard concluded Amy didn’t go overboard. I’m not discussing this further.

 

[Hiandmighty]

“The NOAA Diving Manual discusses this subject in and states:

“Divers also have to be wary of hypothermia in warm environments. A phenomenon called “warm water hypothermia” can occur even in the tropics, especially during long dives and repetitive dives made without adequate re-warming between dives. In warm water hypothermia, long slow cooling can take place in water temperatures as warm as 82 degrees F – 91 degrees F. Although warm water hypothermia is not easily recognized as its cold water counterpart, it definitely warrants attention.
In a nutshell, you can get hypothermia when your core body temperature drops below normal rate and your body’s heat generation abilities cannot keep up to the heat loss. Any time a body is in an environment that is colder than 98.6 F (37 C), heat is lost. And since the heat loss in water is 25 times faster than to air, this may occur fairly quickly. Mild Hypothermia takes place while the core temp is still above 90F (32 C). Severe Hypothermia sets in when the core temp drops below 90F.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.leisurepro.com/blog/scuba-guides/warm-water-hypothermia/amp/

And this is assuming Amy survived a theoretical fall into the water, or wasn’t already dead when she went in, or didn’t want to die by jumping in impulsively.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Lol.....it doesn’t matter. The FBI and US Coast guard concluded Amy didn’t go overboard. I’m not discussing this further.

They found no evidence of her in the water meaning they didn’t find her body or clothes

 

[AC's Grandma]

I'm going to throw something out there that I haven't seen anywhere. Was Amy's brother questioned? Was he upset that she came into the room intoxicated and woke him up while he was trying to sleep? Was he jealous of all her good fortune?
People always say look to the closest people first.... her dad saw he last. What was he doing after he claimed he saw her? JMO

 

[Mica]

I'm going to throw something out there that I haven't seen anywhere. Was Amy's brother questioned? Was he upset that she came into the room intoxicated and woke him up while he was trying to sleep? Was he jealous of all her good fortune?
People always say look to the closest people first.... her dad saw he last. What was he doing after he claimed he saw her? JMO

The F.B.I. has done an extensive investigation into Amy’s background…Her friends were interviewed… our neighbors were interviewed…her co-workers and friends were interviewed. …her college coaches were also interviewed. My husband, Ron, Brad and I took polygraph tests.


http://www.internationalcruisevictims.org/LatestMemberStories/Amy_Lynn_Bradley.html

 

[Hiandmighty]

Alcohol lowers body temperature:
http://www.nutrientsreview.com/alcohol/body-temperature-hypothermia-hyperthermia.html

 

[Hiandmighty]

I'm going to throw something out there that I haven't seen anywhere. Was Amy's brother questioned? Was he upset that she came into the room intoxicated and woke him up while he was trying to sleep? Was he jealous of all her good fortune?
People always say look to the closest people first.... her dad saw he last. What was he doing after he claimed he saw her? JMO

They were out together and she came in about 10
Or so minutes after him. We have been told the family passed polygraphs

 

[Tssiemer]

I'm going to throw something out there that I haven't seen anywhere. Was Amy's brother questioned? Was he upset that she came into the room intoxicated and woke him up while he was trying to sleep? Was he jealous of all her good fortune?
People always say look to the closest people first.... her dad saw he last. What was he doing after he claimed he saw her? JMO

No but it bothers me his name is Brad Bradley. lol.


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