Amy Bradley, 23, Disappeared from cruise ship en route to Curaçao, 24 March 1998 #4

[88keys]

Maybe her smokes were in her pocket and went over with her.

 

[Tssiemer]

Is there a place to watch the new Disappeared episodes? I no longer have cable. Thanks!


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[Hiandmighty]

Maybe her smokes were in her pocket and went over with her.

This is very logical.

 

[dyannaON]

Does anyone have a decent link to the disappeared epi? I can’t find a proper working one. About to throw my tv out the window! TIA


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[thenotebook]

Thank you for reopening an Amy thread! I'm so glad we can finally discuss her case here.

I don't think she went overboard. Other people would have heard something, she would have been screaming, and they did search the water a couple of hours later. I think she went to go have a smoke, ran into that Yellow guy from the band and something happened. He already knew she was missing and nothing had been announced yet....that speaks volumes. I think the police should spend some time re-interviewing him.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Thank you for reopening an Amy thread! I'm so glad we can finally discuss her case here.

I don't think she went overboard. Other people would have heard something, she would have been screaming, and they did search the water a couple of hours later. I think she went to go have a smoke, ran into that Yellow guy from the band and something happened. He already knew she was missing and nothing had been announced yet....that speaks volumes. I think the police should spend some time re-interviewing him.

Let'a talk about this.

Can we start over with a link that shows a fact where "yellow" knew she was misisng before anyone else did? Her family's commentary changed as time went on. The earliest news reports are important to this.

To me the bottom line is, her parents started proceedings of declaring her dead about 8.5 months after the cruise.

Amy Bradley was declared dead in May 1999, shortly after one year.

To me that means the evidence was overwhemling that she never made it off the ship alive. Now, how that happened I don't think we will ever know.

My other thought is can't we get the transcript from the court case declaring her dead?

Again, here are those links:


https://ibb.co/fUZAbQ https://ibb.co/hZosqk

We would be able to know what her family used to convince the court she was dead over she made it off the ship alive.

 

[trenchmouth]

Legally having her declared dead doesn't mean her parents really think she was dead at the time.

I'm sure there was a strategy as to why they did that. Need an insider to fill in the blanks.

I think they firmly believe she was taken off the ship and absolutely did not fall overboard.

I see all the time on various forums comments from many that think she fell overboard. It's stated in almost a mean and insensitive troll-like way. If you really believe she fell overboard where's your logical explanation of how it happened and where is any evidence? There is more evidence she didn't go overboard.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Legally having her declared dead doesn't mean her parents really think she was dead at the time.

I'm sure there was a strategy as to why they did that. Need an insider to fill in the blanks.

I think they firmly believe she was taken off the ship and absolutely did not fall overboard.

I see all the time on various forums comments from many that think she fell overboard. It's stated in almost a mean and insensitive troll-like way. If you really believe she fell overboard where's your logical explanation of how it happened and where is any evidence? There is more evidence she didn't go overboard.

I think she was one of the earlier ones who fell overboard before the cruise lines added height to the railings. The rails were shorter back then.

People are falling off cruise ships left and right now. I believe there were at least 2 in the last week. One cruiser and one employee.

She was last officially seen on the balcony by her father and he stated she felt a little sea sick.

It's very easy to get to the conclusion that she was throwing up and fell over.

On balcony
Seasick

Then missing

And it makes the most sense of all the theories.





But, whatever, ya know? None of us is going to solve this. It's 20 years later and no Amy.

Here are the choices:

1)Gone deliberately by her own means
2)Death by accident
3)Death by homicide
4)Somehow smuggled off ship and into a life of some kind of mule, but not sexually trafficked according to a theory of her family.


The only thing new is the official death declaration in 1999 by a judge. We never really discussed that.


ETA: 7 overboard/disappearances in less than 4 months: http://www.cruiselawnews.com/2018/0...s-regarding-po-cruises-credibility/index.html


"I have written about nearly 200 overboard incidents since I started this blog eight and a-half years ago. The single most common comment which I hear is that it's impossible for someone to fall off of a cruise ship. When I reported on the recent overboard incident on the Pacific Dawn, the first comment was passengers don't just fall off of a cruise ship.

But based on some of the eye-witness accounts, that is exactly what might have happened on the Pacific Dawn.

The 47-year-old passenger from Brisbane, Australia, was reportedly with her husband on an exterior Pacific Dawn Overboarddeck, about 15 feet away from where other passengers were playing table tennis inside the cruise ship. Several passengers said the woman "went outside to vomit as she was seasick," according to an Australian newspaper the Courier Mail.

One eye-witness told the Courier Mail that the woman began to vomit while leaning over a railing when she lost her footing and went overboard."




One of those (might have been this woman) was recent, pic showed woman in the water by the life ring and they were still unable to rescue her and couldn't recover her body and people saw her go in and spotted her in the water. Terribly sad photo, I don't recommend looking at it but it was in Daily Mail last week if you must

 

[HoneyWest]

I was very surprised to see some activity on this case! (updated FBI page, sketch of Amy, and Disappeared episode) I wonder if it's because it's the 20th anniversary of her disappearance, or does the FBI have some new information?

I've followed this case for about 18 years and I feel like I'm just spinning my wheels. If I remember correctly, the Bradleys had Amy legally declared dead in order to bring a lawsuit against Royal Caribbean, which they ultimately did not win.

I don't believe she fell over the balcony rails. I don't see how she could do so accidentally, as those things are about chest high. I don't have any ideas what happened to her, but I think someone got her off that ship. Unfortunately, I do not believe she is still alive at this point.

 

[Hiandmighty]

I was very surprised to see some activity on this case! (updated FBI page, sketch of Amy, and Disappeared episode) I wonder if it's because it's the 20th anniversary of her disappearance, or does the FBI have some new information?

I've followed this case for about 18 years and I feel like I'm just spinning my wheels. If I remember correctly, the Bradleys had Amy legally declared dead in order to bring a lawsuit against Royal Caribbean, which they ultimately did not win.

I don't believe she fell over the balcony rails. I don't see how she could do so accidentally, as those things are about chest high. I don't have any ideas what happened to her, but I think someone got her off that ship. Unfortunately, I do not believe she is still alive at this point.

It happened last week. I edited my post to add it and you may have missed it:

"One eye-witness told the Courier Mail that the woman began to vomit while leaning over a railing when she lost her footing and went overboard."

Link above.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Apparently, after a review of the cameras, the eyewitness reports were wrong (not a surprise) and she jumped. Her husband grabbed her legs and tried to pull her back:

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...e/news-story/38e352ab6ba8022cae444d736d9113dc

"Earlier reports she had been sick or fell due to a freak wave were incorrect, according to police.
“The missing person did make intentional actions and deliberately propelled herself overboard the ship,” Insp Graham said.
The entire incident was captured on security cameras. Insp Graham told reporters he had viewed the footage.
“What I saw was a couple of loving people on the top deck of a cruise ship,” he said.

“I saw them leaning on the rails and I saw the intentional actions of the missing person take two steps back and then propel herself over the railing.

“Her husband tried in vain to grab her when she went over ... grabbing onto her legs ... she was too far gone and subsequently she fell.

“You’ve got three kids who are never going to see their mum again.”

Sounds completely impulsive

 

[Hiandmighty]

I was very surprised to see some activity on this case! (updated FBI page, sketch of Amy, and Disappeared episode) I wonder if it's because it's the 20th anniversary of her disappearance, or does the FBI have some new information?

I've followed this case for about 18 years and I feel like I'm just spinning my wheels. If I remember correctly, the Bradleys had Amy legally declared dead in order to bring a lawsuit against Royal Caribbean, which they ultimately did not win.

I don't believe she fell over the balcony rails. I don't see how she could do so accidentally, as those things are about chest high. I don't have any ideas what happened to her, but I think someone got her off that ship. Unfortunately, I do not believe she is still alive at this point.

Refresh my memory: lawsuit for wrongful death?


ETA: regardless of what happened, I agree at this point that if she was kidnapped off the ship, she is no longer alive. Sad.

 

[HoneyWest]

Refresh my memory: lawsuit for wrongful death?


ETA: regardless of what happened, I agree at this point that if she was kidnapped off the ship, she is no longer alive. Sad.

Yes, the Bradleys sued Royal Caribbean twice. First for negligence - they asserted that Amy was kidnapped and taken off the ship with aid of a cruise ship worker. The judge ruled against them in that case.

Second lawsuit was for wrongful death, and the judge ruled against them because the Bradleys did not disclose to the court that they were still getting reports of sightings of Amy and they were following up on those.

http://people.com/archive/cover-story-desperate-for-answers-vol-56-no-4/
This is the only article I could find that addresses both lawsuits and her parents having her declared dead. There are a lot of opinions on cruise and travel forums, though.

 

[JSolt1210]

I just watched this case on Disappeared, and I have to say I'm very on the fence about this one—but I think I lean more towards her never having left the ship alive, and possibly falling overboard, due to others saying she had been feeling sick from partying a little hard that night.

Now she might've left the cabin to meet up with Alister Douglas ("Yellow"), the band member that had been flirting with her earlier that evening. That would coincide with a sighting of them together around the time she went missing, and a later sighting of Yellow returning alone. If this happened, then maybe there was an accident, and she fell overboard either because she was still drunk and/or sick, and Yellow just covered it up in order not to be involved. That would explain why he so quickly offered condolences to Brad, as well as his admittedly distasteful "thumbs-up" after being questioned. It might also explain why Amy's father woke up so suddenly. Maybe, in the state between sleep and wakefulness, he unconsciously heard the sound of his daughter falling.

A note about Yellow's comment, though. I know that in the context of what ended up being a 20-year missing person's case, it's so tempting to take "Sorry to hear about your sister" as an admission of guilt and/or involvement. I can hear that too. But is it possible that, given the fact that Amy had partied hard and might be feeling sick, the comment might mean something more like, "Sorry to hear your sister's had a rough night," especially since he too would've heard Amy being paged about an hour prior?

The sightings on Curaçao afterwards could be erroneous. Heck, even the sighting on board the ship could be mistaken. All of us on WS have encountered this before. I remember the case where a young girl went missing, and was thought to later be present in a New Kids on the Block video two years later—and later, the family learned the young girl had sadly been killed shortly after being kidnapped. Tattoos can be misremembered, names misheard, timelines mixed up, all out of a genuine desire of people who do want to help, and wish for answers and closure.

I'm sure that in three other threads on this case, many timelines have been made. But for the convenience of this thread, here's what I can piece together from various cited sources.

Tuesday, March 24, 1998
1:00am: The parents go to bed.
3:40am–4:00am: Brad, Amy's brother, returns to the cabin. Amy returns a few minutes afterwards.
5:15am–5:30am: Amy is sighted asleep on the deck by the father.
5:30am: (Astronomical) Twilight begins in Curaçao.
5:30am–6:00am: Crystal Roberts says she sights Amy going up to the next deck with the band member.
6:00am: The father wakes up, and Amy is no longer there.
6:37am: Sunrise in Curaçao.
7:00am: The mother is wakened and told Amy is missing.
7:00am-8:00am?: The Rhapsody docks and passengers are formally allowed to disembark.
7:50am: The first page to Amy is broadcast on the ship. ("By then... most of the passengers had disembarked...")
9:00am: The band member tells Brad, "Sorry to hear about your sister."
12:00pm ("lunchtime"): The captain tells the family that Amy is not on board the ship.

(Sources: https://www.drphil.com/slideshows/the-search-for-natalee-amy-bradley/ Page 2
http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Amy_Bradley
https://unsolved.com/gallery/amy-bradley/
https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/curacao/willemstad?month=3&year=1998 )

 

[Mica]

Legally having her declared dead doesn't mean her parents really think she was dead at the time.

I'm sure there was a strategy as to why they did that. Need an insider to fill in the blanks.

I think they firmly believe she was taken off the ship and absolutely did not fall overboard.

I see all the time on various forums comments from many that think she fell overboard. It's stated in almost a mean and insensitive troll-like way. If you really believe she fell overboard where's your logical explanation of how it happened and where is any evidence? There is more evidence she didn't go overboard.

Would the FBI still be involved if they believed Amy died after falling overboard? Would the FBI still be involved if they believed Amy was dead because her parents declared her dead? Would the FBI have completed age progression photos so many years later if they believed Amy was dead? I could be wrong, but there is a reason the FBI is still involved after all these years, IMO.

 

[trenchmouth]

Would the FBI still be involved if they believed Amy died after falling overboard? Would the FBI still be involved if they believed Amy was dead because her parents declared her dead? Would the FBI have completed age progression photos so many years later if they believed Amy was dead? I could be wrong, but there is a reason the FBI is still involved after all these years, IMO.

Bingo

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[HoneyWest]

Would the FBI still be involved if they believed Amy died after falling overboard? Would the FBI still be involved if they believed Amy was dead because her parents declared her dead? Would the FBI have completed age progression photos so many years later if they believed Amy was dead? I could be wrong, but there is a reason the FBI is still involved after all these years, IMO.

Yes! That's why I was a little surprised to see activity in the case. They know things that we don't or they wouldn't be renewing their efforts to keep the case alive, especially 20 years after the fact.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Yes, the FBI stays involved until the case is closed.

The FBI is still involved in the Natalie Holloway case.

There is no body, the case is still officially open and FBI is still involved.

(I believe they said that on the FBI video, they stay on the case and pursue it until the case is closed)



Does anyone here really believe she is still alive?

 

[JemFantasy]

Yes, the FBI stays involved until the case is closed.

The FBI is still involved in the Natalie Holloway case.

There is no body, the case is still officially open and FBI is still involved.



Does anyone here really believe she is still alive?

Hi! I'm new to Websleuths, but have done a lot of research on the Amy Bradley case in the past. I personally think she was alive after she went missing off the cruise ship and might have been a victim of the Sex Trafficking Ring. Whether or not she's still alive now after 20 years remains debatable though. I'd be very surprised if she is still alive after all this time.

 

[Hiandmighty]

The FBI just closed the DB Cooper case after 45 years because of the amount of time passed and the lack of new information: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/07/12/world/d-b-cooper-fbi-closes-case/index.html

So I guess we have 25 years to go before the FBI might close this case (unless they solve it first)