Amy Bradley, 23, Disappeared from cruise ship en route to Curaçao, 24 March 1998 #4

[Hiandmighty]

So if they declared her dead and then sued RC for wrongful death, am I missing something here?

 

[Hatfield]

Another thing that has always bothered me is the overly saccharine descriptions of Amy by her family: great job, perfect life, wonderful car, precious puppy etc, Iva felt proud at the attention on Amy, etc., not drunk or on drugs while at the disco etc

It just stayed with me as an over the top presentation of a certain narrative that she was perfect and so was her life. Overcompensation?

She was in transition. College was over and so was her college career as a basketball player, new job, new apartment, new dog, boyfriend headed to marriage... not everyone transitions well.

True but that is a lot to look forward to and doesnt sound like suicide would even be thought of for someone with all those things happening.

 

[liltexans]

Hi Everyone,

Look, it is very difficult to discuss personal information about verified insiders or any poster for that matter. The former VI wrote and said she felt she was being disrespected and reminded me of the real reason.

The particular VI, in this case, was put on "inactive" by management because the VI said she was getting threats. This is the official reason and that is all I am going to say about this particular situation. We certainly meant no disrespect to our former VI.

Whenever anyone tells Websleuths they are getting threats because of what they are posting we immediately put them on inactive and tell them to get off the Internet. It is not worth it. We also say they are not allowed to post on Websleuths. Yes, this has actually happened before, several times. Maybe even to another VI.

Anyone who wants to post after getting personal threats is not thinking straight. While I believe Websleuths is extremely important it is not so important that members have to risk their lives to post.

We do not check out the threats. We take the word of the member. Why would someone lie about something like this?

This case since is so old and we have not had any word really on whether this was a sex trafficking case or a case of falling overboard. In my opinion, I take that to mean nothing from the past has really checked out. IN MY OPINION.

So we are basically at square one until LE comes out with something more solid that we can latch onto and start sleuthing.

From now on we will enforce the rule of discussing former members. We cannot discuss former members including former VI's.

If you want to discuss something any former VI has said in the past you can, however, Websleuths reserves the right to remove any information we feel is incorrect or is not verifiable in any way.

Thank you,
Tricia

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Reminder: It's against TOS to discuss another WS member or former WS member on the open forum. Please stop discussing the former VI on the thread.

 

[HoneyWest]

So if they declared her dead and then sued RV for wrongful death, am I missing something here?

Well, in order for them to sue for wrongful death, they would have to somehow show she was dead. That's how I read it.

Maybe they also needed to do this for insurance money. Who knows?

 

[nannymo]

Honestly I think its most likely that Amy was raped by one or more staff members and then thrown overboard from some part of the ship that only staff have access too.

I think that Amy's parents were already concerned about some of the staff member's behaviour towards Amy before she disappeared, hence the immediate panic when they couldn't find her.

I have a friend whose 16 year old daughter "went missing" from a "secure room" on the boat. It was supposed to be a party/dance place for teenagers with no drinking and highly supervised. They could not leave the room until their parent came for them. When her parents came to pick her up, she was not there. They searched with very little help from the crew for 2 hours until they finally found her passed out in a hallway just outside a door labeled "employees only beyond this point". She did not know what happened to her and couldn't tell anyone what happened. She was not a drinker then and to this day does not drink and she is 26 years old.

Cruise lines scare the he$$ out of me!

 

[Hiandmighty]

True but that is a lot to look forward to and doesnt sound like suicide would even be thought of for someone with all those things happening.

Some people would be excited for the future and others might have an existential crisis.

It’s just a thought

 

[Tricia]

Stop talking about the VI. This person is a former member and we do not allow discussions of former members.

Since the VI is a former member we cannot discuss their posts.

Next person to bring up the VI is getting a timeout or lifetime ban.

There is no need to prove anything about any former VI. Please stop!

Every member is allowed to post their opinion as long as it is reasonable. It is not OK to directly attack a member because their belief is different from yours. Please do not ask me to define reasonable. You all should know how things work on Websleuths.

Is Amy dead because of an accident or Murder?

Is Amy Dead?

Did Amy go overboard?

Was Amy taken alive off the ship?

Was Amy killed, hidden away in some container, and then taken off the boat a few days later?

All kinds of scenarios.

If this thread continues to cause problems it will be pulled.

Tricia

 

[Hiandmighty]

I have a friend whose 16 year old daughter "went missing" from a "secure room" on the boat. It was supposed to be a party/dance place for teenagers with no drinking and highly supervised. They could not leave the room until their parent came for them. When her parents came to pick her up, she was not there. They searched with very little help from the crew for 2 hours until they finally found her passed out in a hallway just outside a door labeled "employees only beyond this point". She did not know what happened to her and couldn't tell anyone what happened. She was not a drinker then and to this day does not drink and she is 26 years old.

Cruise lines scare the he$$ out of me!

Employee and cruisers aren’t background checked before getting on the ship. That is so frightening what happened to her!!!

My daughter and I are cruising next month and I admit I am more worried than usual about her safety. We are with a group of mothers and daughters.

 

[HoneyWest]

Sorry, I certainly didn't mean to upset anyone.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Stop talking about the VI. This person is a former member and we do not allow discussions of former members.

Since the VI is a former member we cannot discuss their posts.

Next person to bring up the VI is getting a timeout or lifetime ban.

There is no need to prove anything about any former VI. Please stop!

Every member is allowed to post their opinion as long as it is reasonable. It is not OK to directly attack a member because their belief is different from yours. Please do not ask me to define reasonable. You all should know how things work on Websleuths.

Is Amy dead because of an accident or Murder?

Is Amy Dead?

Did Amy go overboard?

Was Amy taken alive off the ship?

Was Amy killed, hidden away in some container, and then taken off the boat a few days later?

All kinds of scenarios.

If this thread continues to cause problems it will be pulled.

Tricia

I apologize. I thought you said we could discuss the content of their posts? I misunderstood. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[bears10]

Not necessarily. They could have just been unaware that the family had to do that. They would have been aware the parents belief that Amy was alive and that was the point the VI was trying to convey. Either way, it is insignificant. The family strongly believes she was alive when the ship docked.

Of course they do, and it’s not unreasonable for a family to cling to the hope that their child is alive. Which is what I think they are doing - clinging to the hope that she is alive. I mean idk if I’d cling to the hope that my loved one is being trafficked (not sex trafficking - the VI was very adamant that Amy is being trafficked for another mysterious purpose) but I’ve thankfully never had to be in that position.

 

[Hatfield]

So if they declared her dead and then sued RC for wrongful death, am I missing something here?

I think its really simple. They had to declare her dead to be able to sue for wrongful death (or whatever they sued for) and I dont blame them one bit for suing. If I had a relative end up missing the way she did then I would sue too.

So with that said I think they deep down believe she may have been abducted and did not want people to stop looking for her. Their heart of hearts knew she could likely be dead but they would not want to stop looking in case she was abducted and is still alive.

I really dont see the big issue because some days they probably realized she was likely dead by now and other days they kept up the hope she is being held against her will somewhere. So they probably believed both and had a legitimate case to sue.

All JMO

 

[CoolJ]

What would be the choices? We can throw out theories... we have never done this.

Well that would be speculation of course, but maybe she was propositioned while at the disco? Mule some drugs into town when they hit the port? Day date with someone when they hit the port? Modelling gig when they hit port? The options really are endless and all we would be doing is guessing.

But my guess would be she told her bro during their conversation on the balcony....

Amy- “Such and such guy(maybe Yellow, maybe not) asked me to do this or that when we hit the port”
Bro- “are you crazy? You don’t even know these guys, don’t even think about it!”
Amy - “Ok bro! Thanks for the advice, I love you, good night”

Something along those lines maybe?

 

[Tricia]

Of course they do, and it’s not unreasonable for a family to cling to the hope that their child is alive. Which is what I think they are doing - clinging to the hope that she is alive. I mean idk if I’d cling to the hope that my loved one is being trafficked (not sex trafficking - the VI was very adamant that Amy is being trafficked for another mysterious purpose) but I’ve thankfully never had to be in that position.

I am assuming you did not see my post.

NO MORE DISCUSSION OF THE VI.

 

[bears10]

I am assuming you did not see my post.

NO MORE DISCUSSION OF THE VI.

I didn’t, I actually just saw your post and scrolled down to edit my comment. But tapatalk is giving me issues today. I apologize, I truly did not see your comment when I posted, I hadn’t made it down that far yet.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Well that would be speculation of course, but maybe she was propositioned while at the disco? Mule some drugs into town when they hit the port? Day date with someone when they hit the port? Modelling gig when they hit port? The options really are endless and all we would be doing is guessing.

But my guess would be she told her bro during their conversation on the balcony....

Amy- “Such and such guy(maybe Yellow, maybe not) asked me to do this or that when we hit the port”
Bro- “are you crazy? You don’t even know these guys, don’t even think about it!”
Amy - “Ok bro! Thanks for the advice, I love you, good night”

Something along those lines maybe?

Something like that would be a cause for alarm if she was missing, like “OMG I can’t believe she went through with it! What was she thinking!?!”

Yeah, something is missing in the story line

 

[CoolJ]

I have a friend whose 16 year old daughter "went missing" from a "secure room" on the boat. It was supposed to be a party/dance place for teenagers with no drinking and highly supervised. They could not leave the room until their parent came for them. When her parents came to pick her up, she was not there. They searched with very little help from the crew for 2 hours until they finally found her passed out in a hallway just outside a door labeled "employees only beyond this point". She did not know what happened to her and couldn't tell anyone what happened. She was not a drinker then and to this day does not drink and she is 26 years old.

Cruise lines scare the he$$ out of me!

Shady, shady, shady stuff goes on beyond those crew quarters doors. Let me assure you of that!

 

[Hatfield]

Employee and cruisers aren’t background checked before getting on the ship. That is so frightening what happened to her!!!

My daughter and I are cruising next month and I admit I am more worried than usual about her safety. We are with a group of mothers and daughters.

Ive never been on a cruise and really have no desire to because I would rather just fly to whatever tropical destination I would want to vacation and stay for awhile. Plus I hate itinararies and would hate to have to worry about being back at the boat at certain times.

But that is just me and I know lots of people that love them.

Have fun when you go and I would just try to make sure to have sealed bottled drinks and never take a drink offered by anyone even the bartender. If possible I would insist on those plastic capped bottles where you have to break the plastic seal to open the bottle. I dont even trust beer bottles because when I made wine back in the day I realized how simple a capper machine works and someone could reseal a beer bottle to make it look like it has never been opened.

But seriously have fun because I am sure they are a blast. Just be as safe as you possibly can. And if you meet anyone called "yellow" then jump. LOL

 

[nannymo]

Shady, shady, shady stuff goes on beyond those crew quarters doors. Let me assure you of that!

Yes it does.....and I think it was a Royal Carribean Cruise also. They had a reporter from Florida call them several years later wanting to interview them because they were doing a report on sex crimes on cruise lines. They declined!

 

[CoolJ]

Of course they do, and it’s not unreasonable for a family to cling to the hope that their child is alive. Which is what I think they are doing - clinging to the hope that she is alive. I mean idk if I’d cling to the hope that my loved one is being trafficked (not sex trafficking - the VI was very adamant that Amy is being trafficked for another mysterious purpose) but I’ve thankfully never had to be in that position.

It is their initial and immediate reaction that tells me they had reason to to think she did not go overboard. Something else was up. If she made it off that ship alive it is reasonable that she could have been alive for years after. I don’t think we have all the information.