Amy Bradley, 23, Disappeared from cruise ship en route to Curaçao, 24 March 1998 #4

[Hiandmighty]

Exactly neesaki! Conflating this to make it sound as if the Bradleys were being purposefully deceitful is highly disingenuous to put it mildly. Anything they did was to help find their daughter and on the advice of their attorneys.

The court record showed they purposely told false statements.

I guess this is why law enforcement doesn’t want the families of missing victims to direct cases. It seems to add another layer of difficulty to the facts. :websleuther::gathering:

I don’t think the court record shows they were following advice of their attorneys, but I will re look. I don’t think competent attorneys advise their clients to commit fraud, but I suppose it is possible.

ETA: in the court documents we have (there seems to be transcripts we don't have), neither Ron nor Iva gave indications they were following advice of their attorneys when they committed fraud on the court. Again, I suppose it is posisble they did. :thinking:

 

[Hiandmighty]

I'm trying to do a Google search of original articles from 1998-1999 (I remember I did this once), but I can't seem to maneuver around the internet this time trying this. It is frustrating because I guess the old news articles are gone now; this case is old. :thinking:

:frustrated:

 

[CoolJ]

The court record showed they purposely told false statements.

I guess this is why law enforcement doesn’t want the families of missing victims to direct cases. It seems to add another layer of difficulty to the facts. :websleuther::gathering:

I don’t think the court record shows they were following advice of their attorneys, but I will re look. I don’t think competent attorneys advise their clients to commit fraud, but I suppose it is possible.

ETA: in the court documents we have (there seems to be transcripts we don't have), neither Ron nor Iva gave indications they were following advice of their attorneys when they committed fraud on the court. Again, I suppose it is posisble they did. :thinking:

They also could have been protecting certain aspects of the investigation.

 

[Mica]

They also could have been protecting certain aspects of the investigation.

Good point!

 

[Mica]

I'm trying to do a Google search of original articles from 1998-1999 (I remember I did this once), but I can't seem to maneuver around the internet this time trying this. It is frustrating because I guess the old news articles are gone now; this case is old. :thinking:

:frustrated:

It’s frustrating with all the dead links.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Was the disappeared show new or a repeat?

 

[Catmommy]

The last place she was seen, by a completely reliable witness, we all agree, was on the balcony. Thirty minutes later she wasn't anywhere. She had been inebriated and feeling ill. No one in the room she'd have had to pass through, opening and closing a balcony and stateroom door to leave, heard or saw her anywhere but on the balcony. This is the fact. Any other sighting is questionable, people have mistaken ME for other people or told me I look just like .... ALL of my life. Memory is tricky even when it's your own. Amy was known to be on the balcony. If she didn't come through the room again - and one of the three people there would certainly have noticed something about her passing through if she had - then the only other place she could be is the ocean. From the balcony of a moving ship. Due to something as simple as an inebriated, confused, half asleep unfortunate who made a mistake and/or had a tragic accident.

 

[liltexans]

Was the disappeared show new or a repeat?

It was new. Just aired for the first time last Sunday as part of the new season of "Disappeared".

 

[jashrema]

I guess I just don’t see that it is ever ok to lie to the court.

For what it is worth, the judge found that was not a truth to say they were concerned for her safety as some of their witnesses came forth before they ever went down the road that she was some kind of trafficking victim. That is also in the court record; the judge specifically called that reasoning out as a false answer.

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16 (paraphrased) safety concerns could not have been a reason

Regardless, I wanted to explain why I take what the family says with a healthy skepticism. Your mileage may vary.

:fishy:

I'm pretty sure a mod has said 3 times at least to stop this line of posting. The Bradley's were represented in court by an atty. Writings in motions are done by attys. Motions filed are done by attorneys. If motions missed deadlines, or were incomplete, that is the ATTYS FAULT, not the Bradley's. Sounds to me that they might have had an overwhelmed atty, or even a not so great one.

As for your other post about "obviously, he didn't think things were amiss, or "why didn't he do something then", and who can remember 4 months later re the witness on the beach...

I just sat in court the last 3 weeks and listened to several people that saw things "amiss" in Sierah's kidnapping. Nobody said a word. They did not stop, they did not report, zippo. People don't do things at the time because their brains don't work that way, particularly if what they're seeing isn't, in your face, threatening or violent. The mind processes, if he made a "mental note" at the time that it was weird, I do not find it at all bizarre that he WOULD remember it when he saw Amy's pic.

I consider the serviceman in the bar who said Amy came up and asked for help, and the one I just wrote about, valid and highly probably that they occurred. Sex trafficking is highly likely IMO.

 

[Hiandmighty]

It was new. Just aired for the first time last Sunday as part of the new season of "Disappeared".

Oh, ok. Any new information then? Did they focus on any eyewitness account in particular?

 

[Hiandmighty]

I'm pretty sure a mod has said 3 times at least to stop this line of posting. The Bradley's were represented in court by an atty. Writings in motions are done by attys. Motions filed are done by attorneys. If motions missed deadlines, or were incomplete, that is the ATTYS FAULT, not the Bradley's. Sounds to me that they might have had an overwhelmed atty, or even a not so great one.

As for your other post about "obviously, he didn't think things were amiss, or "why didn't he do something then", and who can remember 4 months later re the witness on the beach...

I just sat in court the last 3 weeks and listened to several people that saw things "amiss" in Sierah's kidnapping. Nobody said a word. They did not stop, they did not report, zippo. People don't do things at the time because their brains don't work that way, particularly if what they're seeing isn't, in your face, threatening or violent. The mind processes, if he made a "mental note" at the time that it was weird, I do not find it at all bizarre that he WOULD remember it when he saw Amy's pic.

I consider the serviceman in the bar who said Amy came up and asked for help, and the one I just wrote about, valid and highly probably that they occurred. Sex trafficking is highly likely IMO.

Tricia specifically said it was allowed. Though she wasnt sure there was much to discuss.

Quote from Tricia: "You can discuss the fact that Amy's parents lost their case against the cruise line and they were ordered to pay a fine. The court found the parents misrepresented their case against the cruise line. "

 

[Hiandmighty]

The last place she was seen, by a completely reliable witness, we all agree, was on the balcony. Thirty minutes later she wasn't anywhere. She had been inebriated and feeling ill. No one in the room she'd have had to pass through, opening and closing a balcony and stateroom door to leave, heard or saw her anywhere but on the balcony. This is the fact. Any other sighting is questionable, people have mistaken ME for other people or told me I look just like .... ALL of my life. Memory is tricky even when it's your own. Amy was known to be on the balcony. If she didn't come through the room again - and one of the three people there would certainly have noticed something about her passing through if she had - then the only other place she could be is the ocean. From the balcony of a moving ship. Due to something as simple as an inebriated, confused, half asleep unfortunate who made a mistake and/or had a tragic accident.

I agree. It is in the court record and the FBI that the last place she was known to be was on the balcony, sick.

She had been up all day: swimming in Aruba, then dinner with her family then family time then the disco, so it seems by 5:00 am she likely was also exhausted.

Then she was missing about 30 minutes later...

 

[liltexans]

Oh, ok. Any new information then? Did they focus on any eyewitness account in particular?

They did not focus on any one eyewitness outside of the ship, but they spent a fair amount of time talking about Amy's time at the ship's nightclub and "Yellow" and his actions/statements after her disappearance. Her parents and brother were on the show as well as the currently assigned FBI agent. They all appeared throughout the show and spoke about Amy, the cruise, and Amy's disappearance.

 

[Hiandmighty]

They did not focus on any one eyewitness outside of the ship, but they spent a fair amount of time talking about Amy's time at the ship's nightclub and "Yellow" and his actions/statements after her disappearance. Her parents and brother were on the show as well as the currently assigned FBI agent. They all appeared throughout the show and spoke about Amy, the cruise, and Amy's disappearance.

Ok, if anyone finds a link to this showing, I'd love to watch it, thanks.

Did you get the impression that their focus is back on the ship then?

 

[Catmommy]

Sleuthing is sleuthing for all of the criminal, accidental, suicidal and/or natural elements of the cases we investigate and discuss. The most logical explanation is the most likely. I haven't put on blinders. I've looked at every aspect of most of the possibilities for Amy. Okay, I admit, my mind is pretty closed if anyone brings up extraterrestrials in this case. Fact is fact. We have ONE of those to work off of. My sleuthing is sound. I gladly read yours.

 

[Mica]

I'm pretty sure a mod has said 3 times at least to stop this line of posting. The Bradley's were represented in court by an atty. Writings in motions are done by attys. Motions filed are done by attorneys. If motions missed deadlines, or were incomplete, that is the ATTYS FAULT, not the Bradley's. Sounds to me that they might have had an overwhelmed atty, or even a not so great one.

As for your other post about "obviously, he didn't think things were amiss, or "why didn't he do something then", and who can remember 4 months later re the witness on the beach...

I just sat in court the last 3 weeks and listened to several people that saw things "amiss" in Sierah's kidnapping. Nobody said a word. They did not stop, they did not report, zippo. People don't do things at the time because their brains don't work that way, particularly if what they're seeing isn't, in your face, threatening or violent. The mind processes, if he made a "mental note" at the time that it was weird, I do not find it at all bizarre that he WOULD remember it when he saw Amy's pic.

I consider the serviceman in the bar who said Amy came up and asked for help, and the one I just wrote about, valid and highly probably that they occurred. Sex trafficking is highly likely IMO.

I, too, also believe David Carmichael, the serviceman in the bar, and Judy Maurer all got it right. They saw Amy, and in two of the three situations Amy said her name. It wasn’t only a visual confirmation, it was a verbal. I also believe the online photo of the women (Jas) found on an adult website was Amy, as confirmed at the time by the forensic artist, Wesley Neville, who now works for the FBI.

 

[Mica]

They did not focus on any one eyewitness outside of the ship, but they spent a fair amount of time talking about Amy's time at the ship's nightclub and "Yellow" and his actions/statements after her disappearance. Her parents and brother were on the show as well as the currently assigned FBI agent. They all appeared throughout the show and spoke about Amy, the cruise, and Amy's disappearance.

IMO, Yellow knows about what happened to Amy, at least in the earliest stage of her disappearance.

 

[liltexans]

Ok, if anyone finds a link to this showing, I'd love to watch it, thanks.

Did you get the impression that their focus is back on the ship then?

If you have cable, I think "Disappeared" is on the ID GO app or whatever their app is called. Maybe someone knows of another way to watch it. I think the episodes eventually end up on Netflix possibly as well. I'm not sure.

I got the impression that the family and the FBI are truly focused on finding out what happened to Amy, whatever that might be. They did talk about potential island sightings and they did show the photograph from years ago that might be Amy. I do think they need to talk to Yellow again and others who were on the ship that night. It was very evident that Amy's family misses her greatly and, while they believe she may be alive, I got the impression that after 20 years of not knowing where she is or what happened to her that night, they would grateful for any type of answer, no matter how painful. They acknowledged having been taken advantage of in the past due to their (understandable, IMO) desperation for answers. They are clearly in pain and they want the truth, as does the FBI.

 

[scadagirl28]

I agree. It is in the court record and the FBI that the last place she was known to be was on the balcony, sick.

She had been up all day: swimming in Aruba, then dinner with her family then family time then the disco, so it seems by 5:00 am she likely was also exhausted.

Then she was missing about 30 minutes later...

Do you know if this is due solely to eyewitness or the electronic door security ? I was reading they had Brad entering the room followed by Amy five minutes later. Nobody mentioned anybody leaving.

 

[Hiandmighty]

I think we can all agree that eyewitness accounts are not a standard equal thing across all cases. Its not apples to apples to compare eyewitnesses in one case to another.

When one eyewitness is quoted as saying he never thought anything about the sighting at the time, did not speak to the person or have any interaction with her and then didn't report it until 4 months later and only after watching a story about a missing person with a high reward mentioned, I discount it.

It is easy to infer the reward money was a motivator that triggered the sighting memory.

Also, no one has ever had a disbursement of reward money for the information that we know of. One news article (ABC maybe) stated no reward money was paid out for that sighting.

I would think if any sightings were credible, the FBI would mention them in the new updates starting last year.


I have also had numerous people throughout my life swear they have seen or met me before in places and situations that never happened. I always reply, "I must have a familiar face."