Analysis of a different sort

[Holdontoyourhat]

Jonbenét....tee hee!

No foreign faction period....

Foreign speak??? None found in the note. No broken english...none.

Foreign factions kidnap the SON...the MALE...the HEIR....the RAMSEY NAME. Kidnapping/killing Burke would put a stop to the Ramsey name/lineage?. Jonbenét could not carry on the family name and also in most foreign countries the female is considered dispensable.

The 'foreign factions kidnap/kill sons' rule is nonexistent.

'Foreign speak' or the lack of broken English, isn't relevant if the person of foreign nationality has spoken English since childhood.

 

[BBB167893]

Somehow I doubt that this foreigner would bother with all those fancy-schmancy punctuation marks.

 

[Toltec]

The 'foreign factions kidnap/kill sons' rule is nonexistent.

'Foreign speak' or the lack of broken English, isn't relevant if the person of foreign nationality has spoken English since childhood.

Says you.

 

[Eagle1]

Why would the note writer say this, "You're not the only fat cat..."?

 

[BBB167893]

Why would the note writer say this, "You're not the only fat cat..."?

Had to think of something. That's was Nedra's little name for John.

 

[Toltec]

Had to think of something. That's was Nedra's little name for John.

John also claimed he was a member of the "Atlanta fat-cats".

 

[twilight]

"We feel that there are at least two people on the face of this earth that know who did this: That is the killer and someone that that person may have confided in."

This is being bandied about as a quote. However, it is not correct.

From: http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/BoulderNewsArchives/interviews/ramseysspeak.html 12/31/1999 (I doubt this works any more, and I'm afraid to let you try. I have the hard copy of this doc from way back when).

"Some of you may have seen the ad that we place in our local Daily Camera newspaper this past weekend. This reward money has been offered since the death of JonBenet, but we felt like it wasn't getting out to the public enough. So this ad with her most recent kindergarten picture will be appearing more and more frequently. And what we want to let everyone know is that this $100,000 reward is for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the killer of our daughter. We feel that there are at least two people on the face of this earth that know who did this, and that is the killer and someone that that person may have confided in. "

Punctuation is not an issue here. She used the word 'and' not a colon or a semi-colon that unlike the colon would have been correct punctuation. She uses 'and' a lot. (and hence..., meaning from this time foreward ... and then... meaning from this time foreward).

Of course, I can't see John's facial expression, but he picks up right away and discusses the reward saying: We've been distressed that the reward wasn't better publicized. It's been in place almost from the beginning....

Seems no one bit.

 

[Paradox]

Miss Brodie was always very careful to impress the parents of her set and to win their approval and gratitude. So she confided according to what seemed expedient at the time, and was in fact now on the look out for a girl amongst her set in whom she could confide entirlely, whose curiosity was greater than her desire to make a sensation outside, and who, in the need to gain further confidences from Miss Brodie, would never betray what had been gained. Of necessity there had to be one girl; two would be dangerous. Almost shrewdly, Miss Brodie fixed on Sandy, and even then it was not of her own affairs that she spoke.From The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie.

 

[Peter Hamilton]

The question was raised why would any foreign faction ask for that little money? Well,the 118,000 bucks was just another blunder by Patty when she wrote the note--since it is exactly what her husband got as a bonus,she figured let's spark another red herring by making people think it was someone from John's workplace that killed JonBenet--you know,I've read over 500 true crime books and never did I find any real ransom notes anything like this debacle--the ransom note is one ofthe surest sign of guilt there is--it is so absurd and so ludicrous that I was convinced immediately that the Ramsey's were guilty--oh,and theunbroken spider web at the window was another thing--no intruder,,never was----Patsy's not gonna be too comfortable down there in HELL, but at least its a dry heat

 

[tumble]

"fat cat" is kind of interesting.

"fat cat" can mean a wealthy greedy person but the person who wrote the random note seems to think "fat cat" = villain,killer as the note says "so don't think killing will be diffucult".

The writer think of him/her self as a killer and seems to think of John Ramsey as one also.
Thinking of John as a killer at this place in the note does not seem to be consistent with "we respect your (sic)business". Why should the writer think of John as a killer?

If both John and Patsy cooperated in the deed and Patsy wrote the note Patsy could very well think of both her and John as killers...

 

[Eagle1]

There's a couple of names I don't recognize, so if you're new here, welcome.

I think Toltec has the probably correct answer, and that in the south, where I'm originally from, the term "fat cat" is used a lot for any wealthy, successful and somewhat powerful person. I've heard it before.

 

[tumble]

Thanks for the welcome Eagle!

Yes I think the wealthy powerful meaning of "fat cat" is the most common one. The interesting thing is that the writer of the note does not seem to put this meaning to it.

Also from the note the writer put great emphasis to things that will couse JBR to be killed.
By breaking alot of these rules JR and PR basically makes sure the "kidnappers" will kill JBR.
The note also states that the monitoring of events are done and even an earlier "delivery"(a freudian mistake, thinking delivery and then change it to pickup) of the body is mentioned.

I think the plan was to make JBR appear dead in the house later as if the kidnappers had delivered the body without anyone seeing it, almighty as they might seem from the note. Maybe JR though that the occation was right when he "found" the body.

 

[BBB167893]

"The question was raised why would any foreign faction ask for that little money?"

Exactly! It's been in the news lately about Hizbollah getting millions upon millions from Iran. Seems a lot easier!

"since it is exactly what her husband got as a bonus,she figured let's spark another red herring by making people think it was someone from John's workplace that killed JonBenet--you know,I've read over 500 true crime books and never did I find any real ransom notes anything like this debacle--the ransom note is one ofthe surest sign of guilt there is--it is so absurd and so ludicrous that I was convinced immediately that the Ramsey's were guilty"

Let's see: pedophile killer, ransom kidnapper, terrorist blackmailer and disgruntled co-worker all in one! As the FBI said: impossible!

"and theunbroken spider web at the window was another thing"

I've got the interview with Dr. Opell if anyone's interested.

 

[Toltec]

"The question was raised why would any foreign faction ask for that little money?"

Exactly! It's been in the news lately about Hizbollah getting millions upon millions from Iran. Seems a lot easier!

"since it is exactly what her husband got as a bonus,she figured let's spark another red herring by making people think it was someone from John's workplace that killed JonBenet--you know,I've read over 500 true crime books and never did I find any real ransom notes anything like this debacle--the ransom note is one ofthe surest sign of guilt there is--it is so absurd and so ludicrous that I was convinced immediately that the Ramsey's were guilty"

Let's see: pedophile killer, ransom kidnapper, terrorist blackmailer and disgruntled co-worker all in one! As the FBI said: impossible!

Goes to show you that all these red herrings in the ransom convinced me that the Ramseys watched the movie "The Usual Suspects". Since so many references to movies were in the note...why not "The Usual Suspects"?

I also watched the movie "Nick of Time"..."The moment accountant Gene Watson (Depp) arrives at L.A.'s Union Station with his daughter, two shadowy strangers separate him from his little girl, slap a gun into his hand and present a devil's bargain: kill a government official at a nearby political rally...or never see his beloved child alive again."

One of the shadowy strangers stars Christopher Walken. He tells Depp "If I see you talking to a policeman, she dies."

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[Eagle1]

Yes I think the wealthy powerful meaning of "fat cat" is the most common one. The interesting thing is that the writer of the note does not seem to put this meaning to it......

I think the plan was to make JBR appear dead in the house later as if the kidnappers had delivered the body without anyone seeing it, almighty as they might seem from the note. Maybe JR though that the occation was right when he "found" the body.

You're saying the note writer feels all fat cats feel powerful enough to get away with murder, and that he's warning JR he's not the only one who feels that powerful?

We don't know of JR ever getting away with murder, or even with an extra-marital affair, so this hypothetical fat cat killer seems to have more of a big head. It's about whose head is bigger, in other words? Oneupmanship? About who's more powerful? I remember a remark in the Bruce Willis version of "The Jackal", where he's telling an intended victim, "You can't protect your women." He overlooks that picking on women is cowardly, and makes it seem he couldn't do anything to a man.

That's a good point, that having the body in the house was partly to make it seem that kidnappers were so skilled they brought it back covertly, undetected. It's a rather subtle possible point, and evidently nobody thought of that possible interpretation.

 

[dingo]

You're saying the note writer feels all fat cats feel powerful enough to get away with murder, and that he's warning JR he's not the only one who feels that powerful?

We don't know of JR ever getting away with murder, or even with an extra-marital affair, so this hypothetical fat cat killer seems to have more of a big head. It's about whose head is bigger, in other words? Oneupmanship? About who's more powerful? I remember a remark in the Bruce Willis version of "The Jackal", where he's telling an intended victim, "You can't protect your women." He overlooks that picking on women is cowardly, and makes it seem he couldn't do anything to a man.

That's a good point, that having the body in the house was partly to make it seem that kidnappers were so skilled they brought it back covertly, undetected. It's a rather subtle possible point, and evidently nobody thought of that possible interpretation.

Is it just me ....or maybe Im slow

 

[Nuisanceposter]

If an intruder got JonBenet out of the house, why would he risk being caught bringing her back? What purpose would be served in bringing her back, especially after she's dead?

No kidnapper is going to get the intended abductee out of the house only to bring her back dead later on the same night, unless he has no desire to collect a ransom whatsoever, and doesn't comprehend or care about the increased chance he will be found in the process.

Unless...one of the Ramseys killed her and then they staged a crime scene complete with bogus ransom note!

Think about it. it's the only scenario that makes sense. This entire fantasy of a group of foreign "individuals" who break into the Ramsey home, set up there and watch for several months completely undetected by the residents only to strike on Christmas night, taking the baby from her bed, force-feeding her one of her favorite foods, assaulting her, killing her with items from the R house, and then returning her dead only to stop and write a RN with items, again, from the R house is so far-fetched that Hollywood wouldn't even entertain it...unless it was a film about the Ramseys.

Just moo.

 

[Blondieskatz]

If I were a kidnapper which I not! If the child had somehow died during the kidnapping I would still take the child with me for the ransom.

Since, the killer felt so comfortable in the home he wouldn't have had to take her out the basement window. He would have just walked out the back door!

 

[BBB167893]

You're right: it was difficult enough for one person to get in and out of the window. Two? Yeesh...

"That's a good point, that having the body in the house was partly to make it seem that kidnappers were so skilled they brought it back covertly, undetected. It's a rather subtle possible point, and evidently nobody thought of that possible interpretation."

Some people have thought that. My brother for one. You'd like him, Eagle1!