Annie

[darnudes]

I think it depends on a few factors such as your email account. Doing some research showed me that quite a few people have problems deleting their accounts.

I hadn't realised that she was not logging in for a while, thank you very much for letting me know.

 

[april_showers]

I used to check her myspace frequently, although it was private, she would change her public viewable comment regularly...at one point it said "Annie is deleting her my Myspace..time to grow up".. after that it only was logged into a hand full of times. It stayed up but unlogged into for a couple months? it seems. Does it take awhile for it to delete when you try to delete it?

I just searched and found her on facebook. Sadly, myspace is just out of style these days. It's really common for people to delete their myspaces and move their profiles to facebook. Considering she maintained the myspace throughout the height of public scrutiny - and adding in the point above - it sounds to me to be more likely that she just got over myspace. I'd bet her facebook page is still pretty active

 

[Just Jayla]

Annie even said that she "didn't want to be the one person who knew". And she seemed frightened to me. She could have been referring to knowing that Casey did something, or knowing something else.

Her comment that "Casey couldn't have done this by herself, she's not smart enough" always struck me as strange and I wondered what she meant.

Overall, I have to say I liked Annie more than some of the witnesses. She seemed more distressed about Caylee than some. MOO. I felt for her. I mean some of the newer "friends" actually cracked jokes in their statements/interviews. Casey's old friends didn't crack jokes of course.

That said, I wasn't sure if Annie was telling everything she knew, and I wonder what we'll hear at trial. It is interesting about her going for the overnight with Casey while she was bonded out, and her saying it was because of hard problems she herself is going through (was she referring to health problems?) ....

I found some of YM's questions to Annie and some of Casey's other friends to be rather leading. It seemed quite important to YM for Casey's friends and family to believe/agree that Casey was guilty of something, he pressured CA on this point, and Annie and JH for example, getting annoyed when they wouldn't agree. Was it Annie he told that he knew for a fact that Casey was guilty? Also the way he told Annie for example, when she was trying to say that Casey would never harm Caylee, he told her that Casey's other friends had said they used to believe that too but that they all mentioned they had noticed she had changed. That was weird, because the other friends actually said that they hadn't noticed any change, she had been acting normal right up to July 15. I never understood that. It was sad seeing how confused Annie and some others were, being bombarded with media stories about Casey being completely different from what they knew her to be, and hearing the same thing from LE and being somewhat pressured to agree. I expected LE to do just the opposite and tell them to state only what they knew firsthand about Casey and Caylee and to try to put out of their minds anything they'd been hearing in the media, etc. MOO and no general criticism of LE, I appreciate them very much and they do a very hard job. Anyway, so at trial I guess we'll see if YM really did know for a fact or if he was more referring to a strong suspicion.

Thanks for posting this, I also am not feeling so harsh about AD at this point, posted here on my thoughts a few pages back.
She was definately scared, and had had a lot of carp about LE and the whole scenario fed to her by CA.

Thankfully, the puzzle pieces started coming together in AD's head right there in front of LE, and she had to confront/recall all of the ways KC lied and lied-And she started to spill it to LE.

CA may have even had a little talk with AD about how JB preferred they not grill KC, and thus AD did not push the issue about pushing KC for info-Again, scared of what was really going on.

I do not think AD stayed at their house because she wanted so badly to talk to KC for advise, though-AD was not truthful about that.....I think AD wanted to be an insider in the situation, and thought she could interject as the good friend and be important. I believe AD was scared for Caylee, but could not turn down the chance to immerse herself in their drama. She should have gone right to LE from the time she heard Caylee was missing, to provide any info she could. Instead, she went to their house, and drank a bit of the Anthony Kool-Aid.

 

[Micheline]

When would this pic have been made?

Caylee is sitting in the back.

Annie claims she last saw Caylee some evening early 2008.

 

[lizzysf]

When would this pic have been made?

Caylee is sitting in the back.

Annie claims she last saw Caylee some evening early 2008.

Wow.. I have seen this picture over and over and never noticed Caylee was in the background. I gotta get Carrie over here to look at the carseat arm I see.. LOL... Another carseat photo to sleuth! kidding...i think.

 

[cecybeans]

Caylee doesn't look like much over a year old to me in this one. Geez A's shamrock cap looks like crud! I wonder why shamrocks had significance to her too? Maybe it does have an urban dictionary slant after all! I can't imagine KC "sharing" an icon she thought was just hers alone.

 

[darnudes]

Yes, I think the photo was taken some time ago, am sure I read that somewhere here on the forum as the photo has been round a while. The shamrocks mean something but buggered if I know what - other than the usual Irish meaning.

Some more photos people may not have seen.

http://www.slide.com/profile?puid=D1lxMnLpxnxdcpgy5ABQAokScvaaU7YuMsFXMKo4BhQ

Apparently this is another photo account set up by Casey in 2007. Some interesting captions to some photos I haven't seen before.

 

[spartanmom]

the second pic in the slide show.....Caylee, the love of my life......I just don't get Casey, something happened to her, something or event triggered her to do this to Caylee, I really think at that point she did love that little girl......wth happened to make Casey do this????? Did her jealousy of Cindy/Caylee relationship, did she go on a rampage of anger, WTH happened?????? If you randomly saw these pics no one could believe she could harm her little girl......Casey please talk, I really want to know what and why this happened.....it's driving me crazy~~~~~~

 

[lizzysf]

the second pic in the slide show.....Caylee, the love of my life......I just don't get Casey, something happened to her, something or event triggered her to do this to Caylee, I really think at that point she did love that little girl......wth happened to make Casey do this????? Did her jealousy of Cindy/Caylee relationship, did she go on a rampage of anger, WTH happened?????? If you randomly saw these pics no one could believe she could harm her little girl......Casey please talk, I really want to know what and why this happened.....it's driving me crazy~~~~~~

I think Caylee became the object of a tug-o-war between Casey and Cindy. She murdered Caylee in misdirected, extreme anger at Cindy..imo. Had Casey gotten away from Cindy, taken a job, shared rent with roomates, and taken Caylee with her, I believe she would still be alive today. Even with the pressures of a being single mom living on her own...she may have dealt with that better than the issues with Cindy. I would bet that had she wanted to go to college, or move out with some help from mom and dad, Cindy would have refused to help her pay for daycare etc. as a way to keep her disabled and herself in control of Caylee in her home.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Annie even said that she "didn't want to be the one person who knew". And she seemed frightened to me. She could have been referring to knowing that Casey did something, or knowing something else.

Her comment that "Casey couldn't have done this by herself, she's not smart enough" always struck me as strange and I wondered what she meant.

Overall, I have to say I liked Annie more than some of the witnesses. She seemed more distressed about Caylee than some. MOO. I felt for her. I mean some of the newer "friends" actually cracked jokes in their statements/interviews. Casey's old friends didn't crack jokes of course.

That said, I wasn't sure if Annie was telling everything she knew, and I wonder what we'll hear at trial. It is interesting about her going for the overnight with Casey while she was bonded out, and her saying it was because of hard problems she herself is going through (was she referring to health problems?) ....

I found some of YM's questions to Annie and some of Casey's other friends to be rather leading. It seemed quite important to YM for Casey's friends and family to believe/agree that Casey was guilty of something, he pressured CA on this point, and Annie and JH for example, getting annoyed when they wouldn't agree. Was it Annie he told that he knew for a fact that Casey was guilty? Also the way he told Annie for example, when she was trying to say that Casey would never harm Caylee, he told her that Casey's other friends had said they used to believe that too but that they all mentioned they had noticed she had changed. That was weird, because the other friends actually said that they hadn't noticed any change, she had been acting normal right up to July 15. I never understood that. It was sad seeing how confused Annie and some others were, being bombarded with media stories about Casey being completely different from what they knew her to be, and hearing the same thing from LE and being somewhat pressured to agree. I expected LE to do just the opposite and tell them to state only what they knew firsthand about Casey and Caylee and to try to put out of their minds anything they'd been hearing in the media, etc. MOO and no general criticism of LE, I appreciate them very much and they do a very hard job. Anyway, so at trial I guess we'll see if YM really did know for a fact or if he was more referring to a strong suspicion.

Cops can say whatever they want to to get the info they want. Sure ther are rules but they can lie, pretend and exploit relationships to get info they want. This is nothing new and it's nothing that only happens with these cops.

 

[per_curiam]

I'm guessing on the shamrocks. But here's my guess: remember when KC had the hots for a guy who was Irish-ish? She was calling herself "Casey-O'Marie", which to me sounds like just another one of her "get a man, take on his identity (Irish stuff, name) and fantasize that you will be his wifey someday."

I know you sleuthers will be able to find what I'm talking about. She wrote Casey O'Marie in her FB or diary, I think. And there were shamrocks. Of course, this guy didn't marry her either. He probably had no idea what KC was really like.

That's my idea on the shamrocks. KC was into whatever each of her men was into. Wear a cross and talk about praying=Jesse G. Shamrocks= (can't think of his Irish name), she tried to become a "cool" night-clubber with Tony L. at Fusion, saw herself as a big photographer at Universal, got tattooed while hanging out with her wild buds. Caylee didn't fit into KC's many personas that KC tried to adopt. KC's identity seems to be lost. I've noticed that she even tried to smile smugly with the bottom lip like her lawyer does. You've met those people who are chameleons. They take on the actions and likes or personalities of whomever they are with.

 

[spartanmom]

I think Caylee became the object of a tug-o-war between Casey and Cindy. She murdered Caylee in misdirected, extreme anger at Cindy..imo. Had Casey gotten away from Cindy, taken a job, shared rent with roomates, and taken Caylee with her, I believe she would still be alive today. Even with the pressures of a being single mom living on her own...she may have dealt with that better than the issues with Cindy. I would bet that had she wanted to go to college, or move out with some help from mom and dad, Cindy would have refused to help her pay for daycare etc. as a way to keep her disabled and herself in control of Caylee in her home.

I agree with you, I also think Cindy knows this and feels guilty, but tries to hide it by all of her antics, I have thought that from the beginning after everything started to come out......George is just trying to help his wife, but, they both know that because of her controlling nature it pushed Casey to do the unthinkable, then Casey went into denial mode by partying, etc., she knew it would eventually catch up with her, she can't or couldn't get herself to admit it and just got caught up in her lying, such a saddddd sadddd story

 

[Micheline]

I wonder what the emotional breakdown was about that Annie mentioned.

According to Annie it was up till the point that Casey wanted to be institutionalised, that she needed help, but did not tell Annie what it was about.

Then Annie calls Casey to ask how she is doing and Casey tells her she has talked with her mother that all is OK and they were going to work it out.
Annie said Casey was happy with her boyfriend at the time and with Caylee, and hinted that whatever it was that caused the emotional breakdown had to do with Casey and Cindy.

Has this emotional breakdown of Casey been discussed anywhere maybe in the statements of someone other then Annie?

 

[lizzysf]

I wonder what the emotional breakdown was about that Annie mentioned.

According to Annie it was up till the point that Casey wanted to be institutionalised, that she needed help, but did not tell Annie what it was about.

Then Annie calls Casey to ask how she is doing and Casey tells her she has talked with her mother that all is OK and they were going to work it out.
Annie said Casey was happy with her boyfriend at the time and with Caylee, and hinted that whatever it was that caused the emotional breakdown had to do with Casey and Cindy.

Has this emotional breakdown of Casey been discussed anywhere maybe in the statements of someone other then Annie?

I would guess that Casey felt very stuck.. she didn't have the emotional or functional skills that would allow her to get on her feet and make a life for herself and Caylee. Cindy is the cause of that...her immaturity and feelings that she had no control..she was essentially disabled by Cindy. She was stuck in Cindy's control and it was killing her. I think she refused to just run and leave Caylee behind to escape it, but couldn't find a way to pack up and leave with Caylee. She stayed too long in a bad situation and finally and completely unraveled. I really think this is what she was referring to about needing to be institutionalized with Annie.
Cindy also probably made her feel guilty for wanting to move out...to deprive Caylee of the pool, playhouse, sandbox, her room.. I mean what kid has 10 Mr. Potato Heads and Elmos? You saw her room.. we know Casey wasn't buying it. Cindy would have a fit if she took Caylee overnight somewhere (like calling RM's in the middle of the night to have Casey bring her home)...and Casey was expected to be home in the evening for Caylee in the morning.. what 22 year old wouldn't be miserable? I am not justifying her behavior, or suggesting she was insane, or saying she isn't due for punishment, I just think I am seeing why/how it happened. Most 22 year olds in that situation could find a way out, they don't murder. It makes me wonder who the neck breaking and household weapons searches were really for..

 

[Imbackon]

Yes, I think the photo was taken some time ago, am sure I read that somewhere here on the forum as the photo has been round a while. The shamrocks mean something but buggered if I know what - other than the usual Irish meaning.

Some more photos people may not have seen.

http://www.slide.com/profile?puid=D1lxMnLpxnxdcpgy5ABQAokScvaaU7YuMsFXMKo4BhQ

Apparently this is another photo account set up by Casey in 2007. Some interesting captions to some photos I haven't seen before.

What I find weird is how few of the names given on these photos have ever been mentioned.
I mean, this was not that long ago.
Especially the girls mentioned. Nada word about most of them.
Was there a falling out with this group or what?

 

[Tuffy]

What I find weird is how few of the names given on these photos have ever been mentioned.
I mean, this was not that long ago.
Especially the girls mentioned. Nada word about most of them.
Was there a falling out with this group or what?

I wonder if a lot of them are not really friends of hers. Maybe just passing aquaintances? or even people she may have only met once or twice.

Perhaps she posts them all on her social networking sites to make herself appear to have tons of friends (more popular), when in reality they were people who were partying in the same places she was.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Cops can say whatever they want to to get the info they want. Sure ther are rules but they can lie, pretend and exploit relationships to get info they want. This is nothing new and it's nothing that only happens with these cops.

I can confirm from personal experience that this is very true. Take it to the bank!

 

[reeseeva]

I wonder what the emotional breakdown was about that Annie mentioned.

According to Annie it was up till the point that Casey wanted to be institutionalised, that she needed help, but did not tell Annie what it was about.

Then Annie calls Casey to ask how she is doing and Casey tells her she has talked with her mother that all is OK and they were going to work it out.
Annie said Casey was happy with her boyfriend at the time and with Caylee, and hinted that whatever it was that caused the emotional breakdown had to do with Casey and Cindy.

Has this emotional breakdown of Casey been discussed anywhere maybe in the statements of someone other then Annie?

BBM

I feel when someone actually says they need to be instituitionalized, they are crying, screaming out for help! KC may have been having dark, disturbing thoughts, that were escalating to the point, that she knew she was spiraling out of control. IMO, this was a big step for her. Discussing this with, (I CAN & will FIX Anything Cindy) who is so paramountly image conscious, it was minimized and dismissed. If one of my children uttered those words to me, I would have sought professional help, above all else. This was truly a Huge Red Flag. IMHO, she chose to hide from Cindy, and shelve what really happened. Caylee might still be alive, if she had received the help, she obviously needed.

I believe KC initially discussed this with a family friend, who had babysat for KC, but can't remember her name.

 

[Isabella]

For the record L.A myspace seems to have gone also.

 

[Muzikman]

Yes, I think the photo was taken some time ago, am sure I read that somewhere here on the forum as the photo has been round a while. The shamrocks mean something but buggered if I know what - other than the usual Irish meaning.

Some more photos people may not have seen.

http://www.slide.com/profile?puid=D1lxMnLpxnxdcpgy5ABQAokScvaaU7YuMsFXMKo4BhQ

Apparently this is another photo account set up by Casey in 2007. Some interesting captions to some photos I haven't seen before.

Great sleuthing Darnudes! I don't think I have ever seen this.

Includes a pic of a guy that several people were trying to figure out who it was, labeled here as Jeremy.