Annie

[OneLostGrl]

Don't mistake empathy for ignorance. I've met my fair share of narcissists and other clinically personality disordered people.. I can spot em' pretty quickly. They are a lecherous brood to encounter....and best attended by a professional in a mental health setting. I can still feel a spot of empathy for damaged people ... i'm no easy target by any means.

Amen! And knowing what causes it is what allows to me have empathy. I was raised by a "Cindy".. I know the damage it causes.

 

[Curious Me]

lizzysf, I can see you are well aware of personality disorders. It is really quite good that you have empathy for damaged people. I just have to listen to the jail visit with her parents when everybody was begging Casey for more info on where to look for Caylee, and I lose my empathy for her. 31 days of partying in The Beautiful Life...she shows absolutely no concern or remorse. Was it Lauren, babysitting for eight months when Caylee was first born only to find out Casey didn't even have a job. She sees people as objects to manipulate and use. I think she must have done something sneaky to end her friendship with Annie too. I feel disgust more often than empathy for her. She was and is a lost cause.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I guess I don't see where Casey reached out for help all that much. She had a good friend in Amy, and could've opened up but chose to steal Amy's money instead. (maybe drug her that night Amy "sleptwalked".)

Casey's grandmother, Shirley, must have had a little heart-to-heart after Casey raided her grandparents crucial bank account. Did Casey open up then about her feeling like she was losing it? No, she was unconcerned with her own mental state most of the time.

You meet the right narcissist, and believe me you will believe the lack of feelings for others is truly evil. An empathic person is such an easy mark for a narcissist. The only point I'm trying to make, I guess, is that people with this type of personality disorder can be extremely dangerous to try to help because they are a challenge to most therapy. They are way different than you or I, and assigning them all these feelings is how you think they think.

Casey played everybody in her life. She shows no remorse for what she did. I hardly feel sorry for her, but for all the people she lied to and stole from.

One of the biggest issues with people like Cindy is that they dismiss, demean and devalue others feelings, opinions and emotions. There are no boundaries- they tell their children what they should or shouldn't feel based on what they themselves feel (in their head the child is an extention of them). The child of a parent like this often grows up unable to trust their feelings. They have been taught their entire lives that what they feel is not appropriate. They are mocked for sharing feelings of fear, sadness or loneliness with the parent so they drop the issue and pretend it's no big deal because they are told it is no big deal.

So, to me, I do not have a hard time thinking Casey asked for help but when she spoke with her mother about it her mother dismissed her feelings so she just dropped it.

 

[jon_burrows]

During one of the initial jail house interviews Cindy told Casey that someone said that she (Cindy) had been in a mental hospital. I'm paraphrasing, I can't remember the exact words she said. Cindy said the person's name and asked Casey if she knew her, Casey said no. At that time, I didn't know Kio's relationship with Casey but I think that was the name Cindy was trying to use but she butchered the name. In any event, putting it together, I think Casey told Kio that Cindy was crazy and put in an institution. If this is true, the subject of 'institutions' seems to be a running theme in Casey's bag of lies.

Whatever Casey tells anyone, I take with a grain of salt. If she truly did ask for help then shame on Cindy for not taking the appropriate action (if not for Casey, then for Caylee).

 

[krazykidz]

a recent enlightening quote from another classic narcissist was in a weekend mag. his wife just filed for divorce. this actor's spokesperson released the statement (and i paraphrase) that said so and so is greatly dismayed by the sudden turn of events and that he had absolutely nothing to do with the demise of his marriage. wow. that is classic

 

[Chiquita71]

One of the biggest issues with people like Cindy is that they dismiss, demean and devalue others feelings, opinions and emotions. There are no boundaries- they tell their children what they should or shouldn't feel based on what they themselves feel (in their head the child is an extention of them). The child of a parent like this often grows up unable to trust their feelings. They have been taught their entire lives that what they feel is not appropriate. They are mocked for sharing feelings of fear, sadness or loneliness with the parent so they drop the issue and pretend it's no big deal because they are told it is no big deal.

So, to me, I do not have a hard time thinking Casey asked for help but when she spoke with her mother about it her mother dismissed her feelings so she just dropped it.

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BBM

How do you know my mother? LOL except its not funny. Unable to trust my own feelings: that is me in a nutshell. I know that some of my obsession with this case is how Cindy is so much like my own mother. And Casey reminds me of my sister. My mother turned my sister into ice. None of my mother's children have had children and we are all over thirty.

When I thought Casey killed Caylee in a rage, I could understand it to the degree that I know what a mother like this creates in a child. I have always been able to see how Casey was the way she was, and before this last doc dump I understood Casey's rage. (not enough to harm a child but...) Now I think Casey was more calculating in what she did to Caylee(the chloroform found). But that does not change my rage at Cindy. Through out this case I have been more mad at Cindy than Casey.

That sounds crazy, I know...but how a mother treats her child can really affect them, for good or bad. Yes, there is personal responsibility but: if a child does well and is graduating from law school or whatever...we pat the parents on the back-give them much credit for the child's success and praise them for being such good parents. So, if when a child turns out "good" we give credit...

Cindy did this: she made Casey have the baby. She told everyone at her brother's wedding that Casey was not pregnant. She was the first to hold Caylee. She threatened taking Caylee away from Casey and told her she was unfit to be Caylee's mother. IMHO Cindy is more evil than Casey. Casey showed her flaws...and sits in jail for them. Casey will be convicted of this, but Cindy is the one who is living "the beautiful life."

Annie, to stay ot...also fell for Cindy and her brand of secret evil. Annie knew Casey was a liar, per her own statement. But when Caylee went missing and Cindy was allowed access to Annie and was able to tell things from only her side: Annie was totally on Cindy's side. That is why she mimicks Cindy's statement that: Casey is too dumb to have done this alone.

And, I covered this here in this thread before but it needs to be said again: too dumb to have done what alone, Cindy? Annie? They had not even found Caylee's body when both Cindy and Annie made those statements. Hummm...

I know WSers are talking about Jacee(sorry if spelled wrong, do not know much about that case)and how she was brainwashed after what happened to her. I think of Casey as a brainwashed person. If you have never met an mother like what OneLostGrl speaks of...you cannot understand the insidiousness of that kind of mothering. If your mother does not love you...it can destroy you, I think it destroyed Casey and the proof of that is the horrible evil(that she is responsible for)that she did to her child. But Casey was/is dead inside. A non person. Cindy created a monster that had no soul of her own...only a damaged ego-and that is the person who killed Caylee.

I blame Cindy and want to see her punished for what she has done. I am more than sure my personal feelings of rage at my own mother are making me feel this way. To be sure.

...jmo...

 

[Imbackon]

Great sleuthing Darnudes! I don't think I have ever seen this.

Includes a pic of a guy that several people were trying to figure out who it was, labeled here as Jeremy.

Jeremy Mayfield – aka: Mayfizzle on MySpace. Friend of Lee Anthony. Graduated Colonial High – 1999. Military – stationed in NC. Married: 2008.

fyi

 

[OneLostGrl]

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BBM

How do you know my mother? LOL except its not funny. Unable to trust my own feelings: that is me in a nutshell. I know that some of my obsession with this case is how Cindy is so much like my own mother. And Casey reminds me of my sister. My mother turned my sister into ice. None of my mother's children have had children and we are all over thirty.

When I thought Casey killed Caylee in a rage, I could understand it to the degree that I know what a mother like this creates in a child. I have always been able to see how Casey was the way she was, and before this last doc dump I understood Casey's rage. (not enough to harm a child but...) Now I think Casey was more calculating in what she did to Caylee(the chloroform found). But that does not change my rage at Cindy. Through out this case I have been more mad at Cindy than Casey.

That sounds crazy, I know...but how a mother treats her child can really affect them, for good or bad. Yes, there is personal responsibility but: if a child does well and is graduating from law school or whatever...we pat the parents on the back-give them much credit for the child's success and praise them for being such good parents. So, if when a child turns out "good" we give credit...

Cindy did this: she made Casey have the baby. She told everyone at her brother's wedding that Casey was not pregnant. She was the first to hold Caylee. She threatened taking Caylee away from Casey and told her she was unfit to be Caylee's mother. IMHO Cindy is more evil than Casey. Casey showed her flaws...and sits in jail for them. Casey will be convicted of this, but Cindy is the one who is living "the beautiful life."

Annie, to stay ot...also fell for Cindy and her brand of secret evil. Annie knew Casey was a liar, per her own statement. But when Caylee went missing and Cindy was allowed access to Annie and was able to tell things from only her side: Annie was totally on Cindy's side. That is why she mimicks Cindy's statement that: Casey is too dumb to have done this alone.

And, I covered this here in this thread before but it needs to be said again: too dumb to have done what alone, Cindy? Annie? They had not even found Caylee's body when both Cindy and Annie made those statements. Hummm...

I know WSers are talking about Jacee(sorry if spelled wrong, do not know much about that case)and how she was brainwashed after what happened to her. I think of Casey as a brainwashed person. If you have never met an mother like what OneLostGrl speaks of...you cannot understand the insidiousness of that kind of mothering. If your mother does not love you...it can destroy you, I think it destroyed Casey and the proof of that is the horrible evil(that she is responsible for)that she did to her child. But Casey was/is dead inside. A non person. Cindy created a monster that had no soul of her own...only a damaged ego-and that is the person who killed Caylee.

I blame Cindy and want to see her punished for what she has done. I am more than sure my personal feelings of rage at my own mother are making me feel this way. To be sure.

...jmo...

Please understand that I am not blaming anyone but Casey for Casey's actions. I'm just saying I get how she ended up this way and because of that I can empathize. But I do not have any sympathy for her.

ETA- and as an aside, I do not think Casey is without a soul or evil.

 

[Chiquita71]

Please understand that I am not blaming anyone but Casey for Casey's actions. I'm just saying I get how she ended up this way and because of that I can empathize. But I do not have any sympathy for her.

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BBM

Oh, I understand that you are not...but I am. I just quoted your post because your description of Cindy as a mother is right on in my opinion.

Thanks sorry for any misunderstanding.

...jmo...

 

[OneLostGrl]

During one of the initial jail house interviews Cindy told Casey that someone said that she (Cindy) had been in a mental hospital. I'm paraphrasing, I can't remember the exact words she said. Cindy said the person's name and asked Casey if she knew her, Casey said no. At that time, I didn't know Kio's relationship with Casey but I think that was the name Cindy was trying to use but she butchered the name. In any event, putting it together, I think Casey told Kio that Cindy was crazy and put in an institution. If this is true, the subject of 'institutions' seems to be a running theme in Casey's bag of lies.

Whatever Casey tells anyone, I take with a grain of salt. If she truly did ask for help then shame on Cindy for not taking the appropriate action (if not for Casey, then for Caylee).

Cindy belongs in a mental hospital!

moo

 

[cecybeans]

I like to describe the situation as KC was a fire and CA was the accelerant - dangerous alone, but a deadly combination together.

 

[The Eunice Burns]

Jeremy Mayfield – aka: Mayfizzle on MySpace. Friend of Lee Anthony. Graduated Colonial High – 1999. Military – stationed in NC. Married: 2008.

fyi

Thanks for the clarification! I'm glad someone was able to nail this down, as I wasn't sure about the previous info I recalled.

 

[reeseeva]

Cindy belongs in a mental hospital! moo

Thank You OLG......She is definitely the "catylist" for everything that has happened here!!:croc:

 

[reeseeva]

Please understand that I am not blaming anyone but Casey for Casey's actions. I'm just saying I get how she ended up this way and because of that I can empathize. But I do not have any sympathy for her.

ETA- and as an aside, I do not think Casey is without a soul or evil.

I have to quote "Eyes4Crime" signature, as it fits here........

"That's the psychopath:somebody who doesn't understand what's going on emotionally, but understands that something important has happened"

 

[lizzysf]

My impression of Annie is that she is a young, immature, "party girl" type who really truly wasn't that emotionally invested in Casey either. The relationship was mutually fun but shallow. I am not surprised that Annie didn't pursue Casey's "issue", nor am I surprised that Casey didn't open up completely to Annie about what was really going on.. Casey for 3 reasons: the shallow nature of the relationship, not wanting to expose herself and her fake life to Annie, and going against the learned family expectation that the Anthony family has to look good on the outside. I think there were few that really saw the truths of the family dysfunction.. Cindy's mom, Cindy's brother and possibly other family members.. definetely not outsiders. And if you spoke out against what you saw going on (like Cindy's brothers) you were discarded.

 

[Curious Me]

I am getting so much food for thought on this thread. Chiquita71, your sharing is greatly appreciated, and I'm sorry your mother did a number on all her kids.

Earlier, I said Casey was and is a lost cause. I started to wonder if there was a way to change her development, a way to stop the crime from happening. The only way I can see that might have changed the course of events was if she didn't keep the baby, or if she had managed to move away from her family, but even then, I have doubts she would have been a better person.

I agree with lizzysf that Annie and Casey just had a shallow, fun type of friendship. Annie would not have been able to help Casey much, IMO. Now, Cindy is another story.

 

[debs]

I am getting so much food for thought on this thread. Chiquita71, your sharing is greatly appreciated, and I'm sorry your mother did a number on all her kids.

Earlier, I said Casey was and is a lost cause. I started to wonder if there was a way to change her development, a way to stop the crime from happening. The only way I can see that might have changed the course of events was if she didn't keep the baby, or if she had managed to move away from her family, but even then, I have doubts she would have been a better person.

I agree with lizzysf that Annie and Casey just had a shallow, fun type of friendship. Annie would not have been able to help Casey much, IMO. Now, Cindy is another story.

No one could know the "real" Casey because Casey was a mirror of whoever she was with and so probably made friends easily because everything they liked, she assimilated into her life. It became her. There was barely room to slide a stolen credit card or check between them.

Two notable areas of concern are her mother and her daughter. Looking at both of these people, Casey would inevitably see what she hates most about herself (Cindy) and what she fears for her child from her eyes. How can one be the life of the party when one's future is being just like the person you love and hate the most?

She faked her personality. always.

 

[mitzi]

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BBM

How do you know my mother? LOL except its not funny. Unable to trust my own feelings: that is me in a nutshell. I know that some of my obsession with this case is how Cindy is so much like my own mother. And Casey reminds me of my sister. My mother turned my sister into ice. None of my mother's children have had children and we are all over thirty.

When I thought Casey killed Caylee in a rage, I could understand it to the degree that I know what a mother like this creates in a child. I have always been able to see how Casey was the way she was, and before this last doc dump I understood Casey's rage. (not enough to harm a child but...) Now I think Casey was more calculating in what she did to Caylee(the chloroform found). But that does not change my rage at Cindy. Through out this case I have been more mad at Cindy than Casey.

That sounds crazy, I know...but how a mother treats her child can really affect them, for good or bad. Yes, there is personal responsibility but: if a child does well and is graduating from law school or whatever...we pat the parents on the back-give them much credit for the child's success and praise them for being such good parents. So, if when a child turns out "good" we give credit...

Cindy did this: she made Casey have the baby. She told everyone at her brother's wedding that Casey was not pregnant. She was the first to hold Caylee. She threatened taking Caylee away from Casey and told her she was unfit to be Caylee's mother. IMHO Cindy is more evil than Casey. Casey showed her flaws...and sits in jail for them. Casey will be convicted of this, but Cindy is the one who is living "the beautiful life."

Annie, to stay ot...also fell for Cindy and her brand of secret evil. Annie knew Casey was a liar, per her own statement. But when Caylee went missing and Cindy was allowed access to Annie and was able to tell things from only her side: Annie was totally on Cindy's side. That is why she mimicks Cindy's statement that: Casey is too dumb to have done this alone.

And, I covered this here in this thread before but it needs to be said again: too dumb to have done what alone, Cindy? Annie? They had not even found Caylee's body when both Cindy and Annie made those statements. Hummm...

I know WSers are talking about Jacee(sorry if spelled wrong, do not know much about that case)and how she was brainwashed after what happened to her. I think of Casey as a brainwashed person. If you have never met an mother like what OneLostGrl speaks of...you cannot understand the insidiousness of that kind of mothering. If your mother does not love you...it can destroy you, I think it destroyed Casey and the proof of that is the horrible evil(that she is responsible for)that she did to her child. But Casey was/is dead inside. A non person. Cindy created a monster that had no soul of her own...only a damaged ego-and that is the person who killed Caylee.

I blame Cindy and want to see her punished for what she has done. I am more than sure my personal feelings of rage at my own mother are making me feel this way. To be sure.

...jmo...

BRAVO!

Excellent post...ITA with all of it. :blowkiss:

 

[Bobbisangel]

No one could know the "real" Casey because Casey was a mirror of whoever she was with and so probably made friends easily because everything they liked, she assimilated into her life. It became her. There was barely room to slide a stolen credit card or check between them.

Two notable areas of concern are her mother and her daughter. Looking at both of these people, Casey would inevitably see what she hates most about herself (Cindy) and what she fears for her child from her eyes. How can one be the life of the party when one's future is being just like the person you love and hate the most?

She faked her personality. always.

That is what a sociopath does...mimic others because they don't have normal feelings, etc.

 

[Bobbisangel]

lizzysf, I can see you are well aware of personality disorders. It is really quite good that you have empathy for damaged people. I just have to listen to the jail visit with her parents when everybody was begging Casey for more info on where to look for Caylee, and I lose my empathy for her. 31 days of partying in The Beautiful Life...she shows absolutely no concern or remorse. Was it Lauren, babysitting for eight months when Caylee was first born only to find out Casey didn't even have a job. She sees people as objects to manipulate and use. I think she must have done something sneaky to end her friendship with Annie too. I feel disgust more often than empathy for her. She was and is a lost cause.

Casey changed sets of friends like we change underwear. If she was caught stealing from one or more of her current group she just moved on to another group. I would imagine that some of these people dumped Casey before she could steal their monehy...because of her lies. Like a true sociopath it didn't bother her to move from one group to another without looking back. Same thing with the guys she dated/slept with. She moved on pretty quick there too. If the guy dumped her she just latched on to the next one.

It didn't seem that much got to Casey except her mother. She stole from her grandparents more then once and it didn't faze her when gramma discovered the missing money. Most kids adore their grandmas but Casey treated her the same way she treated everyone.

I'd like to know how Lee turned out half way normal? I don't know a lot about Lee because he has stayed in the background but he seems pretty normal.