Announcement to Searchers from Law Enforcement

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  • #81
By yllek:
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I think they are talking about both friends of SA and BD. But, I really wish Kampfer and/or Toombs would just come out publicly and name Billie a suspect or POI now that she has a lawyer (unless for some reason they have a good strategy for not doing so that will help Hailey). LE keeps saying she's not a POI, or they can't confirm it, or that Shawn is the only named POI....but, we all know that they've got their eye on Billie too. Still, since they haven't publicly declared Billie a POI, it's hard to know for sure the intended target of public announcements like this one from KBST.

Tricia says:
According to District Attorney Ann Reed, Billie Dunn IS a person of interest in her daughter Hailey's case.

A person I trust with my life was asked by me to call the district attorney to find out if indeed Billie Dunn is considered a "person of interest."

Ann Reed the district attorney said that Billie Dunn cannot be ruled out and is a "person of interest."

Let me stress. A person of interest IS NOT a suspect. IS NOT A SUSPECT.
 
  • #82
I wonder if certain people only show up for certain searches, as in maybe they are getting close and are "sent" by SA or BD to keep an eye on things...

Interesing thought.

I also wonder if LE just shows up for certian searches. As in they have an area in mind and it is private property but they cannot search it legaly yet but also want to encourge other people to stay away.

Has LE ran any searchers off from certain areas? Maybe the searchers are getting close to LE's hot spot.
 
  • #83
Tricia says:
According to District Attorney Ann Reed, Billie Dunn IS a person of interest in her daughter Hailey's case.

A person I trust with my life was asked by me to call the district attorney to find out if indeed Billie Dunn is considered a "person of interest."

Ann Reed the district attorney said that Billie Dunn cannot be ruled out and is a "person of interest."

Let me stress. A person of interest IS NOT a suspect. IS NOT A SUSPECT.

Funny thing is ,Yes it is confirmed here. I dont believe it has been printed in any paper the locals are exposed to ,while we have locals here who have known Billie IS the POI from reading here. I am not sure it is in MSM. Maybe someone else knows.
 
  • #84
If evidence is found during an illegal search by a local searcher, can it be considered "fruit of the poison tree"? This is my biggest concern - that someone will find something during a search of property without permisson, and all of that evidence will get thrown out on an illegal search clause.

From what I have gathered from "true crime" stuff, a lot of bodies are discovered by hunters or by (I'm not kidding) people who pull off the side of the road to answer the call of nature. If a person did just that, and walked far enough from the roadway not to be seen to take care of business, and stumbled across a body, while TECHNICALLY "trespassing" on private land, the body is STILL found, and I don't think I have EVER read that it was excluded as evidence because the guy (or girl) who found it was trespassing at the time.

I agree that evidence found during an organized SEARCH of private property (without permission) would be unusable, especially if it was LE conducting the search. But if "Joe Nobody" was just cutting across a field and found evidence, it is probably admissable. KWIM? Volunteer searchers fall into a grey area. Property lines can be hard for the layperson to determine.
 
  • #85
From what I have gathered from "true crime" stuff, a lot of bodies are discovered by hunters or by (I'm not kidding) people who pull off the side of the road to answer the call of nature. If a person did just that, and walked far enough from the roadway not to be seen to take care of business, and stumbled across a body, while TECHNICALLY "trespassing" on private land, the body is STILL found, and I don't think I have EVER read that it was excluded as evidence because the guy (or girl) who found it was trespassing at the time.

I agree that evidence found during an organized SEARCH of private property (without permission) would be unusable, especially if it was LE conducting the search. But if "Joe Nobody" was just cutting across a field and found evidence, it is probably admissable. KWIM? Volunteer searchers fall into a grey area. Property lines can be hard for the layperson to determine.

If they found a body, it would be admissable no matter where they found it, along with any evidence around it.

No one can hide a body on private property and expect to get away with it forever.

It's just that LE has to have a good reason for a search warrant.

And it might be that the theory that Hailey is on SA family property isn't even true. I've heard that theory from day one but there's just no real evidence yet.
 
  • #86
The warning sounds to me like, among other things that have already been mentioned, there is a person or persons trying to play detective and solve the case before LE can get there.

Something like that happened in a death near here, when a woman with dementia wandered off -- this guy found her, but instead of calling the police, he took a piece of her clothing (yeah, took it off the body) and took it to the TV van and said look what I found. And then got really miffed and threw an online temper tantrum when the police didn't thank him. There was no question of a criminal case or I think they would have locked him up and thrown away the key.
 
  • #87
Every piece of evidence is important to any case. Footprints, broken limbs on bushes fiberous strands.... little things can make or break a case. All of these things can easily be compromised and thrown out of the case.... bodies, no you probably can't say they don't exist, but if they are touched or moved it REALLY can complicate things. Searches are important and necessary but........ the objective after finding the missing is to get a conviction. Not always possible when there is contamination, of any kind.

My point is, there is a reason why in many cases LE often states they are using qualified searchers only. I believe that this case got away from local, unexperienced LE before they knew it. The intention of the majority of public is to help... often not realizing how in the end they may have hindered... maybe this LE is trying to get a handle on the "run away train" so to speak.
 
  • #88
I may get hit by rotten eggs for this comment, but I have to say I think the area has been searched enough for me to decide she will not be found this way. Maybe because she is alive and far away (wouldn't that be wonderful). maybe because she is no longer alive and her killer has taken her body far away. Or maybe because her killer has found a very clever hiding place. There must be other people that feel the way I do and so I have to wonder about some of the people still going on these searches. I question their motives at this point. There must be some that are using this as an opportunity to snoop around on private property, if they get caught. And other reasons we have already mentioned.
 
  • #89
Redbird: I think you are right about the loss of evidence in the wrong hands. After all, many cases are solved by finding one hair or one fingernail, and those could be so easily lost if people move evidence around.

I may get hit by rotten eggs for this comment, but I have to say I think the area has been searched enough for me to decide she will not be found this way. Maybe because she is alive and far away (wouldn't that be wonderful). maybe because she is no longer alive and her killer has taken her body far away. Or maybe because her killer has found a very clever hiding place. There must be other people that feel the way I do and so I have to wonder about some of the people still going on these searches. I question their motives at this point. There must be some that are using this as an opportunity to snoop around on private property, if they get caught. And other reasons we have already mentioned.

I have to disagree with you there. I have no problem with people continuing to search because this is a large rural area and frankly the people of interest don't seem all that clever to me and I'm not sure how they would have had time to get her body far away. :twocents: Eventually someone will find something. I just wish the police would oversee the searches and do use a more methodical approach.
 
  • #90
The warning sounds to me like, among other things that have already been mentioned, there is a person or persons trying to play detective and solve the case before LE can get there. <snip>


Or hinder the investigation by "finding" evidence that they had brought to the search site themselves. Remember, they did say personal friends and look at what we've already learned about POI(BD) & Suspect(SA). I'm sure their personal friends share very similar interests. :twocents:
 
  • #91
There's no way they could have searched everywhere yet. All the areas over toward Sterling City, all around Big Spring, and possibly even over towards Post. Hasn't it been determined that SA had about 1.5 hours unaccounted for that morning before getting to his mother's house? That's not even counting the possibility that he went somewhere during the middle of the night while Billie was konked out.
 
  • #92
There's no way they could have searched everywhere yet. All the areas over toward Sterling City, all around Big Spring, and possibly even over towards Post. Hasn't it been determined that SA had about 1.5 hours unaccounted for that morning before getting to his mother's house? That's not even counting the possibility that he went somewhere during the middle of the night while Billie was konked out.

I'm with you on this txsvicki. If what happened is what I think happened, he had probably a good 6 hours before he would even have to report to work. He never slept a wink!

JMO and MOO and all that jazz.
 
  • #93
Another thing that concerns me about the announcement to searchers from LE, you remember reading awhile back about socks being found around Big Spring? I'm beginning to wonder if this wasn't one of the things LE may have been referring to.....like these socks were a "plant" by someone close to SA and/or BD.

JMO and MOO.
 
  • #94
Another thing that concerns me about the announcement to searchers from LE, you remember reading awhile back about socks being found around Big Spring? I'm beginning to wonder if this wasn't one of the things LE may have been referring to.....like these socks were a "plant" by someone close to SA and/or BD.

JMO and MOO.

But it was said HD had flip flops on?
 
  • #95
To my knowledge there have been NO Authorized searches ! Just groups showing up going hither and yon , not communicating with each group of searchers, just trampling over and over the same areas, destroying private property, example: a group of searches entered the Old Buford Gin, the owner( who was out of town, but contacted by phone ) gave permission to look in the gin yard and the old gin, however there is a private office seperate from the gin, that was locked, the door was kicked down, tearing the facings off, and therefore leaving a private citzens personal office in shambles ! and unsecure, and the owner was not aware of this until the return trip home.
There were many private properties gone in without permission, fences tore down, leaving livestock to be gathered up and fences to repair , and a few trailer thefts , so I have no sympathy for these searchers that just took it upon themselves without getting LE ok !
Yes I do want Hailey found, and search teams are most likely necessary to make this happen, but they have to be authorized and guided by local proper LE or their appointed associates. This is my opinion and statement of facts. It is rumored that some locals are profiting from these searchers and taking donations without any accountability to how these funds are used. And were upset because PK announced in his opinion HD was deceased, this would definitely stop their donations coming in and stop them from asking locals businesses to provide them with supplies . Hello people ! I have not agreed with evyerthing PK has said during this case , but I think he spoke logically ! This time.
Very sad to me that folks see a opportunity to make money off such a tragic situation. JMO I have the upmost respect for all you WS' .
 
  • #96
[ It is rumored that some locals are profiting from these searchers and taking donations without any accountability to how these funds are used. And were upset because PK announced in his opinion HD was deceased, this would definitely stop their donations coming in and stop them from asking locals businesses to provide them with supplies . Hello people ! I have not agreed with evyerthing PK has said during this case , but I think he spoke logically ! This time.

Very sad to me that folks see a opportunity to make money off such a tragic situation. JMO I have the upmost respect for all you WS' .

I don't really understand that. What would Hailey's status have to do with not getting supplies for their searches? It would be important to discover her body, and realistically that's what these searches out in the field were all about. Why would money dry up if Hailey is deceased? :waitasec:
 
  • #97
To my knowledge there have been NO Authorized searches ! Just groups showing up going hither and yon , not communicating with each group of searchers, just trampling over and over the same areas, destroying private property, example: a group of searches entered the Old Buford Gin, the owner( who was out of town, but contacted by phone ) gave permission to look in the gin yard and the old gin, however there is a private office seperate from the gin, that was locked, the door was kicked down, tearing the facings off, and therefore leaving a private citzens personal office in shambles ! and unsecure, and the owner was not aware of this until the return trip home.
There were many private properties gone in without permission, fences tore down, leaving livestock to be gathered up and fences to repair , and a few trailer thefts , so I have no sympathy for these searchers that just took it upon themselves without getting LE ok !
Yes I do want Hailey found, and search teams are most likely necessary to make this happen, but they have to be authorized and guided by local proper LE or their appointed associates. This is my opinion and statement of facts. It is rumored that some locals are profiting from these searchers and taking donations without any accountability to how these funds are used. And were upset because PK announced in his opinion HD was deceased, this would definitely stop their donations coming in and stop them from asking locals businesses to provide them with supplies . Hello people ! I have not agreed with evyerthing PK has said during this case , but I think he spoke logically ! This time.
Very sad to me that folks see a opportunity to make money off such a tragic situation. JMO I have the upmost respect for all you WS' .

Do you have a link verifying all this damage took place? This is horrible and the searchers should be held accountable. TIA

Rumors will fly rampant...especially having to do with monies funded. I'm sure everything that was donated to the local searchers was in good faith and with the knowledge it could be squandered...tho hopefully it was not. I hope all the donations going to the searchers will not stop, as searches have not been exclusively looking for a live HD since the beginning. She still needs to brought home; finding her remains would be beneficial to the entire investigation as well as come closure to her loved ones. If someone harmed HD, justice needs to be served for it...and tho remotely possible w/o her remains, it would prove beyond a doubt that HD was.

JMO
 
  • #98
If anyone is really motivated by money, all the more reason to search and find Hailey now...if the reward has been changed from finding her alive to simply finding her.
 
  • #99
I'm just hoping the money dries up for Billie. Better yet, I hope it already has. Hanging out with the suspect shows blatant disrespect for Hailey.
JMO
 
  • #100
I'm just hoping the money dries up for Billie. Better yet, I hope it already has. Hanging out with the suspect shows blatant disrespect for Hailey.
JMO

It's all about BD and cold survival. I stated from the very beginning that BD would cling to SA for the mere fact she thinks she has nothing left to cling to. HD's gone, DD taken away, CD no longer a viable choice and I really don't think she has much of a solid relationship with any of her family. I think she isolated, surrounded and immersed herself with only SA, drugs and his garbage-- and now has nothing or no one left but SA....and BD can't stand to be alone with herself. What friends have we heard come forward to say they have been around in the past couple of years? None of her co-workers...?? JMO
 
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