April 15th wknd of Sleuthing

[gbay]

If someone else took Nancy Cooper, defensesive wounds on her body would have been evident. She was fast, strong, well-trained. She would have fought like hell to get away. Remember all the defensive wounds on Collette MacDonald? Both of her arms were broken, IIRC. Even Michelle Young have extensive defensive wounds. Nancy Cooper, healthy, strong, on the run, had nothing. She was taken by surprise by an IronMan. MOO

This to me is one of the stronger facts ...no evidence of a struggle...that points directly to Brad.

 

[gracielee]

Thank you Palomine! I am a bit worried about what the weather will hold for central/eastern NC this afternoon.

I have been reading, lurking, since last night. Interesting posts, thanks guys!

Tis windy and raining here in Johnston Co. That's something I've had to get used to moving to the country. The wind out here is really something. No buildings or houses close by to break the wind. It really gets going. I have a big, heavy, outside swing and stand. Had to take the canopy off it shortly after movig here, and place it right up against the back of the house, to keep the wind from cart-wheeling it across our propety. Downstairs in our house isn't as bad as upstairs, though. The wind upstairs really howls. If you close your eyes, you'd think you were in the middle of nowhere, Call of the Wild type howling wind. The last dog we rescued won't come out from under our bed during times like this.

 

[CentralAlberta]

I don't think they start out to frame people in most cases, I don't even think framing someone is necessarily the right term. I think they get tunnel vision and make statements that fit their tunnel vision, and then when something does not fit they ignore things that are outside their tunnel vision or make excuses for them. They have talked themselves into a box, and will look less than stellar on a murder case if they suddenly start changing direction.

The cell phone was beyond an amateurish mistake and now they are trying to dismiss it, make us believe they were not familiar with phones like that and besides it was not important, there was no evidence on it when at the same time they want every piece of BC's electronics to be relevant. When you got the first message on the phone that if you proceed all will be erased, especially when you are going off memory from a phone call with AT&T a couple of weeks before, then it would be prudent to stop and re-think your strategy. Then to not let the Defense know for 10 months that you did wipe the phone, it causes everything else that you did into question. How are we to know though that they did not get into the phone and erased it after they read it because the evidence on it did not fit their scenario of the crime.

Then there is the computer, they took possesion of it and protocal was to secure it by turning it off, but they left it on for 27 hours. Even the FBI agent was surprised to hear that. They are now saying that they left it on for 27 hours because they were afraid of losing or corrupting data, but we know now data was corrupted in the sense that it changed in those 27 hours. The question here is why was it ok to turn it off at 27 hours that did not make it ok to turn off at 10 hours, 18 hours, or 26 hours, anytime before that 27 hours? Why not a concern at 27 hours data would be corrupted?

Their own actions are causing them to be questioned. They are also human with all the faults of humanity regardless that they wear badges.

My impressions of how this happened was that BC's office was secured by a Cysco empolyee who just locked the office and left things as is. It was 27 hours before the CPD got there to remove the items. I may be wrong about this though. . . Going back to lurking:seeya:

 

[less0305]

Not if he set up his own call manager in the house. According to the Cisco expert, it could have been done without leaving a trace on the company servers.

And could have been done 10 different ways. TEN!!! 1-0 !!! Ten, ten, ten, ten. :maddening:

 

[gracielee]

finger had band aid on it

The blood under her nails was so minute, it couldn't even be tested. With today's testing methods for DNA.

 

[less0305]

Tis windy and raining here in Johnston Co. That's something I've had to get used to moving to the country. The wind out here is really something. No buildings or houses close by to break the wind. It really gets going. I have a big, heavy, outside swing and stand. Had to take the canopy off it shortly after movig here, and place it right up against the back of the house, to keep the wind from cart-wheeling it across our propety. Downstairs in our house isn't as bad as upstairs, though. The wind upstairs really howls. If you close your eyes, you'd think you were in the middle of nowhere, Call of the Wild type howling wind. The last dog we rescued won't come out from under our bed during times like this.

LOL!! Same here at my house today, Gracie!! The wind howls and I have bunches of limbs and twigs and leaves down. My dog is barking at the wind today like he's going to scare it away! WE have all the hammocks down, the outside chairs buckled down, and anything that can fly around put away. I live out on 40 acres of nothing but pastures and trees. It's a little intimidating at times - stormy times.

 

[Just the Fax]

Several <modsnip> have suggested that unless the state can prove the 6:40 alibi call has spoofed, he walks.:lol:

Well, I thought of another local case with an alibi that can't be proven false by the cops, but they have a reasonable explaination of how he did it.....Busted.

Jason Young killed his wife and son...Duh!!!
He drove back from Hillsville VA to Raleigh NC after midnight , committed murder, then back to Virginia again. Guess what? The gas used for that trip cannot be traced, so it would appear his vehicle never left Virginia that night. It is obvious Jason Young filled his tank with just the right amount of gas to cover the distance, paying cash or untraceable pre-paid card. All the cops need to show the jury is their theory how he used and replenished the gas. The rest of the CE will then validate his likely guilt.

Brad's VOIP trick will be considered the same way by the jury. It was proven he had the expert knowledge and opportunity to set up the call. Just because there was not a VOIP software trail from the Samsung later, does not mean it was not there 7-12-08....Busted

 

[gracielee]

My impressions of how this happened was that BC's office was secured by a Cysco empolyee who just locked the office and left things as is. It was 27 hours before the CPD got there to remove the items. I may be wrong about this though. . . Going back to lurking:seeya:

:seeya: Thank You! :seeya:

 

[FullDisclosure]

Not trying to shake whatever belief you have in BC's guilt, but from a jury perspective circumstantial evidence works both ways: For example:

RZ alleged NC sighting could lead to her killer if somehow it were NOT BC....Your suspension of belief in a possible eye witness is only because it does not fit YOUR set of facts.

The bug guy's infestation time line was between 1 AM and 11 AM. Meaning 6 hours before 7 am (meaning BC did it) and 4 hours after 7 am (could mean BC did not do it). It is equally possible one way or the other, therefore not in it self definitive.

The lack of clothes on the victim when found points to no one in particular. A sociopath (whether that sociopath is BC or someone else) does not do things according to rational motives.

"Nancy would have tried to fight off some random attacker, but no one heard or saw any such thing, and yet all these people saw Nancy running. So many people. Makes you wonder how anyone was able to snatch her off the sidewalk or trail with so many witnesses." Again it is your assumption that it must be BC or a random attacker. There may be other possibilities not yet explored, but might be addressed in the defense portion or not.

Certainly the preponderance of evidence is building pointing solely to BC's guilt. But for the jury to convict the following are hurtles that must be overcome:

1) A Crime without a crime scene. There has been no forensic evidence that NC was murder in the house. None Zip....... One would then have to posit that the man who never cleans (BC), now cleaned so well as to leave no evidence, not a trace. This could be a mitigating factor against BC doing it in a jurors mind.

2) Together with a crime without a crime scene, there is no forensic evidence that BC transported NC body in either vehicle. Again it requires that the man who never cleans, now performed a perfectly forensically spotless cleaning job. This could be a mitigating factor against BC doing it in a jurors mind.

3) The 6:40 AM phone call. The Pros may have shown 10 different ways that this call could have been spoofed. What they have not done is shown any evidence to the jury that BC did in fact spoof it. To prove BC spoofed it requires more than has been shown. What that leaves in the jury's mind is perhaps reasonable doubt.

4) The google search is currently the strongest direct evidence that ties BC to the crime. But is a 41 second google map search on his own 27518 zip enough to establish that as a slam dunk? We have not heard what search frames came before or after during that 41 seconds. So if a juror is leaning towards guilty, yes those 41 seconds should be enough to convict. If a juror is leaning towards not guilty, those 41 seconds may not be enough without more direct (as opposed to circumstantial) evidence.

The google search may be enough direct evidence to convict for the jury. And it certainly puts other indirect evidence into context. And Certainly the preponderance of small items are weighing heavily against acquittal.

But there is still a bunch of trial and testimony to go. And the defense is not bound by Brady requirements, so who knows what they still might reveal and they have yet to mount their defense.

BC certainly looks guilty, but I'm not quite sure the case it is a slamdunk for the state as yet.

Respectfully......

That is exactly how I see it. Thank you for stating it so eloquently. Are you in the legal profession, perhaps?

 

[Palomine]

I hope that after Brad is found guilty the Judge will release ALL the prejudicial EVIDENCE that was withheld from the jury!

 

[Palomine]

http://www.wral.com/weather/story/9451520/

 

[gracielee]

LOL!! Same here at my house today, Gracie!! The wind howls and I have bunches of limbs and twigs and leaves down. My dog is barking at the wind today like he's going to scare it away! WE have all the hammocks down, the outside chairs buckled down, and anything that can fly around put away. I live out on 40 acres of nothing but pastures and trees. It's a little intimidating at times - stormy times.

No kidding. Intimidating, perfect description. :doorhide::tears:anic: Our daughter next-door, took in a pregnant dog that had been dumped out here. She kept one of the puppies after adopting out the rest of the litter. Couldn't give every one of the babies away after the grandsons saw them. Our vet said that puppy has some wolf in her. She doesn't bark, she howls, just like a wolf. So when the winds kick up, and the howling starts....... well, 'Call of the Wild' just comes to mind. Glad to hear you've battened down the hatches, less. It's really howlin' out there. :rocker:

 

[Shadow722]

Several Brad supporters have suggested that unless the state can prove the 6:40 alibi call has spoofed, he walks.:lol:

Well, I thought of another local case with an alibi that can't be proven false by the cops, but they have a reasonable explaination of how he did it.....Busted.

Jason Young killed his wife and son...Duh!!!
He drove back from Hillsville VA to Raleigh NC after midnight , committed murder, then back to Virginia again. Guess what? The gas used for that trip cannot be traced, so it would appear his vehicle never left Virginia that night. It is obvious Jason Young filled his tank with just the right amount of gas to cover the distance, paying cash or untraceable pre-paid card. All the cops need to show the jury is their theory how he used and replenished the gas. The rest of the CE will then validate his likely guilt.

Brad's VOIP trick will be considered the same way by the jury. It was proven he had the expert knowledge and opportunity to set up the call. Just because there was not a VOIP software trail from the Samsung later, does not mean it was not there 7-12-08....Busted

So a compete lack of evidence, ie in the software and hardware trail (like a server, router and VOX card) is evidence if guilt?????? Damn with conclusions like that why even have a trial? I mean lets just go from arrest to penalty phase, and save the taxpayers a bundle.

As far a Jason Young goes, let's just execute him at noon tomorrow.

I mean I understand you have strong feelings on this case and the JY murder case, but we do have trials to determine guilt or innocence for a reason. And evidence matters, even if your mind is made up.


I am not a BC supporter, but I do support justice, and the justice system. I'm not fond of lynch mobs, in any form........

 

[Danielle59]

My impressions of how this happened was that BC's office was secured by a Cysco empolyee who just locked the office and left things as is. It was 27 hours before the CPD got there to remove the items. I may be wrong about this though. . . Going back to lurking:seeya:

Thanks for the response. His computer was secured in his house by the police when they got the search warrant. It was in their custody for those 27 hours.

 

[gracielee]

So a compete lack of evidence, ie in the software and hardware trail (like a server, router and VOX card) is evidence if guilt?????? Damn with conclusions like that why even have a trial? I mean lets just go from arrest to penalty phase, and save the taxpayers a bundle.

As far a Jason Young goes, let's just execute him at noon tomorrow.

I mean I understand you have strong feelings on this case and the JY murder case, but we do have trials to determine guilt or innocence for a reason. And evidence matters, even if your mind is made up.


I am not a BC supporter, but I do support justice, and the justice system. I'm not fond of lynch mobs, in any form........

There is a trail....of all the individual pieces of equipment Brad purchased to spoof a call. There is his testimony in the deposition that 'yes, he knows how to do it, and yes, he's done it in the past.' The fact that all those pieces of equipment used to spoof, have disappeared, POOF, from the home. IMO, that is no different than showing that 'at one time your client purchased such and such murder weapon, and no, it can't be accounted for in the home now, but he did purchase one just like it. MOO

 

[Palomine]

Thanks for the response. His computer was secured in his house by the police when they got the search warrant. It was in their custody for those 27 hours.

where is the Sony Laptop??

 

[Palomine]

if there was video evidence of this murder the defense would have gotten that evidence thrown out of court...because it would be too prejudicial

 

[gracielee]

where is the Sony Laptop??

Um, with Brad's shoes, clothes, Nancy's right shoes was it? And various other articles used in the clean-up. :fence:

 

[Madeleine74]

I believe common sense will prevail in the end. Conspiracy theories will abound, no doubt, as they already have, to to try and remove any possibility of Mr. Cupper being the murderer of his wife. They will likely get more and more creative and desperate as time winds down to the end.

Common sense will prevail.

 

[Tipstaff]

So much DNA evidence is relied upon when the victim and the perp's DNA is found in a location where they would not 'typically' be expected to be found. NC's DNA and BC's DNA are all over 104 Walsburg Court. It doesn't seem unusual the is no DNA evidence of this crime at this locaiton. Same thing with NC's body. Understand because of temperatures the decomp was rapid - but no 'intruder/attacker' DNA there. I would think in other crime investigations even after decomp CSI people have found DNA of the attacker/killer.