April 15th wknd of Sleuthing

[gracielee]

Gracielee,

Your going a bridge too far. Brad "purchased" nothing to spoof the call that has not been accounted for. Again, your belief is your belief. But what are the facts that show he did indeed spoof a call???

Putting it another way, the fact that you have the equipment to drive a body to a dump sight (a car) does not prove you dumped a body anywhere at anytime...............

Cite the accountings for all the merchandise brad had cisco receipts for, because when I heard the testimony, numerous items he had receipts for, could not be located.

 

[Danielle59]

cooper computer was not unsecured. it was on the cisco network at his home, with multiple security software packages running, and logged out of Windows and password protected automatically after 10 min of no activity. no one else could access that computer even if they wanted to.

All you have to do to not have the password come on at 10 minutes it move the mouse before that. Those settings are also easily changed to not even require a password.

 

[Cheyenne130]

The password is only required when you initially sign on, or in some cases to turn off a screen saver, not always regarding the screen saver. When police secured the computer it was up and running. All that had to happen was that someone moved the mouse to not let the screen saver come up, and/or change the screen saver to not come on, if he even had the screensaver function on, and the password issue is resolved.

He had to have been signed in for operating systems and security updates to have happened as DD and Chappel alleged.

I don't believe that is accurate. I'm pretty sure that they testified that you had to hit Ctrl+Alt+Delete to get to log on screen and then enter password to access the computer.

 

[Palomine]

Cite the accountings for all the merchandise brad had cisco receipts for, because when I heard the testimony, numerous items he had receipts for, could not be located.

receipts and Zero product!

 

[Cheyenne130]

Cite the accountings for all the merchandise brad had cisco receipts for, because when I heard the testimony, numerous items he had receipts for, could not be located.

He had the equipment in his home when he had the Cisco IP phones set up. He stated he did that to test the wireless phone they were planning to deploy.

 

[FullDisclosure]

Random thoughts regarding a struggle:

I sincerely don't understand the whole "no evidence Nancy struggled and that points to Brad" argument. Do you think she would struggle with a stranger, but say to her husband, "Okay, honey. I'll just sit back and let you strangle me?" Even if he "surprised her" she would fight for her life. Also, what about the missing ducks and sticks in the foyer? I thought those were evidence of a struggle? Where are the significant marks on Brad? On Nancy? (I know there was decomp, but one little mark on her neck? Why aren't there scratches from her own fingernails trying to take the assailant's hands away, which is a common defensive would in a strangulation struggle? And Brad was wearing shorts and a T shirt the afternoon of July 12. I'm just thinking out loud here...

 

[gracielee]

Did I say the spoofed call alone was evidence of guilt???
Not hardly. I looked at the zoomed in google map on 7-11-08 + about 25 other pieces of CE to arrive at my conclusion...GUITY as charged.

Exactly, all the pieces of the puzzle fall into place. Or as poor Chris Darden put it in the simpson trial, all the COMULLATIVE evidence adds up to the whole. Talk about mertilizing the english language. By the end of that trial, I can never hear the word cumulative, without thinking of Darden.

 

[Madeleine74]

The password is only required when you initially sign on, or in some cases to turn off a screen saver, not always regarding the screen saver. When police secured the computer it was up and running. All that had to happen was that someone moved the mouse to not let the screen saver come up, and/or change the screen saver to not come on, if he even had the screensaver function on, and the password issue is resolved.

He had to have been signed in for operating systems and security updates to have happened as DD and Chappel alleged.

Also protocol was for CPD to shut down the computer to secure it, not leave it up and running, even the FBI agent was surprised by that.

A picture of the computer laptop screen on the big monitor was taken and shown in court from his home. It was password protected. It was on the cisco network and it was logged in. It was setup to automatically password protect after 10 min of inactivity. That is the testimony and those are the facts. Those facts aren't going to change.

 

[FullDisclosure]

If people REALLY want to stretch the what ifs, there are the two daughters in that home at that time.

I had considered that maybe BC had told a child to hit redial when the kitchen timer rang or something, like it was a game. I think, however that it would have been too risky, and I bet dollars to donuts that the older child was asked about such a scenario and if she had said something like that happened, it would be in the State's case. MOO

 

[LyndyLoo]

I don't believe that is accurate. I'm pretty sure that they testified that you had to hit Ctrl+Alt+Delete to get to log on screen and then enter password to access the computer.

AND you would have to also ASSUME that Nancy would leave her computer open and all set to surf the net when IT has been shown in testimony she LOCKED all her private things inside her car and she slept with those keys and I am sure she would have gone jogging with those keys...Brad simply should not have had possession of all those items period! Especially given the documented tension and anger she had right up to and including her time at that party Fri. evening..:maddening:

 

[Just the Fax]

6:40 call from home vs Google Map Search of dump site

After hearing the bombshell evidence on the map search, seems the jury has heard enough and wants to go home.
:smiliescale:

 

[gracielee]

Defense was careful to try and keep anyone with computer expertise of any level off the jury. I heard one person with some experience did get on in the end, but then had to drop out due to work commitments. The defense knew they needed to confuse and bamboozle the jury on all this tech stuff, and they knew if they had tech literate people on the jury they would be laughed at for suggesting tampering and random hacking and all the stuff they are trying to throw out now.

I was afraid of that, something my hubby asked me about just the other day, jury make-up. Hubby has sat on a couple juries, and testified as an expert witness, (engineering). He was afraid the jury would be pro-defense due to strikes.

 

[gracielee]

In 2010 I took my four year old nephew to Target to spend his birthday money. He articulately explained to the clerk that he wanted a specific video game from the locked case. He detailed how he played this game on his Wii and how the controller worked. It shocked me at the time how specific and knowledgeable this 4 year old was.

It is not out of the realm of possibility that a child in the home was instructed to use the phone and could hit the redial button.

As BC testified in the depo - the downstairs computer was used by 'the family' and he specifically said his 'kids' or 'children' don't remember which word he used.

Not saying BC didn't spoof the call but an alternative possibility.

My grandchildren in that age bracket, used both computer and phone, cell phone & home phones, quite reliably. And they are wizzes on their DS Lites? I think that's what they are.

 

[ncsu95]

I like how all of Cooper's lies, seen right from his own mouth on depo video, are conveniently overlooked and discarded as if they never occurred.

Not by me...I think he is a pathological liar.

 

[ncsu95]

If someone else took Nancy Cooper, defensesive wounds on her body would have been evident. She was fast, strong, well-trained. She would have fought like hell to get away. Remember all the defensive wounds on Collette MacDonald? Both of her arms were broken, IIRC. Even Michelle Young have extensive defensive wounds. Nancy Cooper, healthy, strong, on the run, had nothing. She was taken by surprise by an IronMan. MOO

Huh? Both of those women were killed by their husband.

 

[less0305]

AND you would have to also ASSUME that Nancy would leave her computer open and all set to surf the net when IT has been shown in testimony she LOCKED all her private things inside her car and she slept with those keys and I am sure she would have gone jogging with those keys...Brad simply should not have had possession of all those items period! Especially given the documented tension and anger she had right up to and including her time at that party Fri. evening..:maddening:

BBM, and yet there are some that feel Nancy needed reassurance from Brad about a stain on her dress and how bad was it, and honey do you think it looks bad, should I go change, how noticeable is it? She didn't seek out any of her besties (women) to point out the stain and how bad it might have looked, but the person she just embarrassed by arguing at and tore into him she wanted reassurance from about a stain on her dress.

:floorlaugh: That's just laughable <smh>.

 

[Just the Fax]

But there is evidence that NC made that call. It's on the TWC call records and BCs cell phone records.

No more evidence NC made the call from the home vs BC setting the call up remotely. Not only is the call on TWC and AT&T records as you said, there is a 6:25 AM data usage on the AT&T log as well.

 

[ncsu95]

This to me is one of the stronger facts ...no evidence of a struggle...that points directly to Brad.

So 2 cases where women were killed by their husband and had defensive wounds leads you to believe NC was killed by Brad because she didn't have defensive wounds?

 

[ncsu95]

And could have been done 10 different ways. TEN!!! 1-0 !!! Ten, ten, ten, ten. :maddening:

All 10 required equipment that wasn't found in the house.

 

[Danielle59]

A picture of the computer laptop screen on the big monitor was taken and shown in court from his home. It was password protected. It was on the cisco network and it was logged in. It was setup to automatically password protect after 10 min of inactivity. That is the testimony and those are the facts. Those facts aren't going to change.

And all that had to happen to not have the password protection come on was to move the mouse before those 10 minutes.

BTW, how could you tell is was on the network if it was also password protected at the time from a picture of it on the big monitor? Were the pictures on the Big monitor dated and time stamped as to when the picture was taken?