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OK so no military connection. Hmmm...maybe it is a disgruntled Doc. How scary is that thought?! Physician by day and Bomber by night!
GUILTY AR - Dr. Randeep & Sangeeta Mann for car bombing, West Memphis, 2009
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It could be some other motive -- a family problem, a crazy neighbor with a gripe, a disturbed teenager, a "mad bomber," a patient with a gripe, etc. They haven't had time to find out everything that was going on around him.
Hi you guys~ I wonder how the bomb was detonated? If it blew up by the Dr. simply moving it, then how did the bomber transport the thing? Does that mean that the tire was put in place and then some "at the scene" assembly was required to get it activated? If that's the case, I'm surprised that nobody saw anyone out there, or no dogs barking? I think they'll get it traced soon, imo.
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Exclusive: ATF Gives
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Tour of Explosion Site
http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/dpp/news/020509_Exclusive_ATF_Gives_Tour_of_Explosion_Site
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Video of today's presser:
http://www.fox16.com/news/local/sto...s/bpZuJRJKeE26zKTBW5cisw.cspx?articleID=72525
ETA: it really irks me when reporters talk over pressers.
http://www.fox16.com/news/local/sto...s/bpZuJRJKeE26zKTBW5cisw.cspx?articleID=72525
ETA: it really irks me when reporters talk over pressers.
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Hello All,
Random thoughts... Just ignore me if you aren't in the mood for blathering
Its late, I'm just sitting here thinking.
Kat, my looking at the family geneology (history) was just fact finding to see if I could figure out the age of those named as the appelants. i.e. thinking...would an 80 year old in a lawsuit due to an alleged wrongful death of their mother a) make and plant a bomb or b) hire someone to do it. I don't think so, but... BTW, the names of the appelants and their ages were fairly nicely found in an online geneology document I feel pretty sure those were the appelants after doing some trekking around.
Well, the appelants weren't 80, they were in their 70s. I know some spunky 70 year olds that could throw a huge fit if they lost a fortune that they planned to get in a lawsuit. But, would they really be the angry ones, angry enough to do that? Maybe...
I then thought of the children or other relatives who might be inheritors if these appelants got the big bucks. Maybe they knew that they would be getting something too, if this court case was won. Maybe when it wasn't won, they were mad enough that they set out to bomb the doctor.
I didn't want to say too much along those lines last night. Inevitably when something horrible like this happens, everyone is looked at and they might have nothing to do with the deal. In the meanwhile, they are looked at in a negative/questioning way.
I did find a child in a nearby town (a teen) that appeared to have the "family name" so to speak. I don't know if the child is related, but there were some unique things about the name. This child recovered from a nearly lethal childhood sickness. I didn't want to say too much, God only knows what the child and their family have been through. On the other hand, I asked myself, even if a parent had a very ill child, it wouldn't mean they were beyond doing bad things (like a bombing.) I wondered if the parent of the child (perhaps a relative of the appelants) had any war/bombing training. In fact I wondered if the one appelant did.
The whole tire thing is interesting. Someone put that there KNOWING the doctor would have to move it. The car he drives is not high off the ground I don't think, so it wasn't likely he would drive over the tire and risk getting it stuck underneath the car, dragging it. He didn't have much room in that driveway to swing around it (if my memory serves me well), so whoever put that tire there KNEW someone would have to move it to drive out. Now you'd think, they would figure the man's wife wouldn't move it, but that the man would be called to move it.
Thinking, clever bomber? They figured the doctor would not think, "This looks like a setup, how the he** did that tire get there?" And of course, if he had reason to believe someone meant to do him harm, why would he touch it? No...whoever put it there probably figured the doctor would think someone lost a tire. What would the doctor think... Someone didn't just drive by and have one of their tires roll off their car, that would have made a commotion on that street, seems to me. So, maybe he thought it rolled off something that was carrying it? Even that seems odd...
Which then leads me to thinking about was this a tire with a rim, or a tire without a rim, i.e. just a hollow tire. Now, that explosion was a whopper and the doctor got hit with schrapnel. Somehow I don't think the shrapnel was from the car, although it might have been. Maybe the schrapnel was from the rim exploding.
When I look at the car damage, I think of the concussion of the bomb and maybe even the tire hitting it, i.e. the gust of air from the explosion going through the front grill and blowing up the hood. Maybe the tire or parts of it hitting the front of the car, then breaking it into pieces with a reverberation of the concussion knocking pieces back at the doctor. On the other hand, which way was the doctor blown? He was found in a flower bed?
So was the schrapnel from a rim or the front of the car or both. Which leads to did the tire have a rim. If it didn't, can an empty tire have a powder in it, then a liquid in a cup and when the tire is straightened upward the cup tips and the powder and liquid are explosive. Somehow I'm thinking that there was a rim on that tire... Would a hollow tire exploding do that much damage? Maybe so... If there was a rim, maybe they can identify it somehow.
And what kind of bomb was this, motion set it off maybe (like the rolling of a tire with explosives in it that mixed during the rolling)? Or was there something just under that rim that couldn't be seen, and when the tire was lifted off it, that set off the bomb (it released something, or it pulled a string or or ?)
But back to the drugs... Do you think that if a doctor was doling out oxycontin and demerol and collecting thousands of dollars in their office and not seeing the people coming in (i.e. they were coming for scripts), and some of the other things that doctor who was suspended was accused of doing, do you think there were some people getting drugs from that doctor that they, in turn, were selling? taking? taking/selling? Could this piss some big drug dealers off enough to bomb a doctor who might be a tie breaking vote on whether or not their source's license would be forever suspended? (was anything like that on the agenda?) Stopping someone from selling drugs puts a big dent in a big income. And...evidently there was at least one rumor I saw at an odd site (someone commenting on a news article) that said that this didn't seem to be the first time this doctor was suspected of doing this type of thing. Not being able to sell when you've done it for a long time ain't a happy thing and could surely peeve a few people off. Aside from that, there were comments in a number of articles mentioning "this thing just keeps growing and growing" (talking about the doctors suspension, but more like the drugs and people involved, I think.)
Maybe someone acted "for" someone who was going to be nailed today or tomorrow maybe in the board meeting. Maybe they figured the best way to get the meeting called off would be to damage the board's chair.
I must say that some of the comments noted in some of the articles about the one doctor who had their license suspended for alleged drug dealing were very out of order, i.e. like the person had no conscience whatsoever, like they had a personality disorder that would make them not care less that they were breaking laws or hurting people. Every quote that I read coming from them smacked of a really questionable person, with very questionable morals.
Still a lot more thinking here...rummaging through thoughts...
Wrinks
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Its late, I'm just sitting here thinking.Kat, my looking at the family geneology (history) was just fact finding to see if I could figure out the age of those named as the appelants. i.e. thinking...would an 80 year old in a lawsuit due to an alleged wrongful death of their mother a) make and plant a bomb or b) hire someone to do it. I don't think so, but... BTW, the names of the appelants and their ages were fairly nicely found in an online geneology document
I feel pretty sure those were the appelants after doing some trekking around.Well, the appelants weren't 80, they were in their 70s. I know some spunky 70 year olds that could throw a huge fit if they lost a fortune that they planned to get in a lawsuit. But, would they really be the angry ones, angry enough to do that? Maybe...
I then thought of the children or other relatives who might be inheritors if these appelants got the big bucks. Maybe they knew that they would be getting something too, if this court case was won. Maybe when it wasn't won, they were mad enough that they set out to bomb the doctor.
I didn't want to say too much along those lines last night. Inevitably when something horrible like this happens, everyone is looked at and they might have nothing to do with the deal. In the meanwhile, they are looked at in a negative/questioning way.
I did find a child in a nearby town (a teen) that appeared to have the "family name" so to speak. I don't know if the child is related, but there were some unique things about the name. This child recovered from a nearly lethal childhood sickness. I didn't want to say too much, God only knows what the child and their family have been through. On the other hand, I asked myself, even if a parent had a very ill child, it wouldn't mean they were beyond doing bad things (like a bombing.) I wondered if the parent of the child (perhaps a relative of the appelants) had any war/bombing training. In fact I wondered if the one appelant did.
The whole tire thing is interesting. Someone put that there KNOWING the doctor would have to move it. The car he drives is not high off the ground I don't think, so it wasn't likely he would drive over the tire and risk getting it stuck underneath the car, dragging it. He didn't have much room in that driveway to swing around it (if my memory serves me well), so whoever put that tire there KNEW someone would have to move it to drive out. Now you'd think, they would figure the man's wife wouldn't move it, but that the man would be called to move it.
Thinking, clever bomber? They figured the doctor would not think, "This looks like a setup, how the he** did that tire get there?" And of course, if he had reason to believe someone meant to do him harm, why would he touch it? No...whoever put it there probably figured the doctor would think someone lost a tire. What would the doctor think... Someone didn't just drive by and have one of their tires roll off their car, that would have made a commotion on that street, seems to me. So, maybe he thought it rolled off something that was carrying it? Even that seems odd...
Which then leads me to thinking about was this a tire with a rim, or a tire without a rim, i.e. just a hollow tire. Now, that explosion was a whopper and the doctor got hit with schrapnel. Somehow I don't think the shrapnel was from the car, although it might have been. Maybe the schrapnel was from the rim exploding.
When I look at the car damage, I think of the concussion of the bomb and maybe even the tire hitting it, i.e. the gust of air from the explosion going through the front grill and blowing up the hood. Maybe the tire or parts of it hitting the front of the car, then breaking it into pieces with a reverberation of the concussion knocking pieces back at the doctor. On the other hand, which way was the doctor blown? He was found in a flower bed?
So was the schrapnel from a rim or the front of the car or both. Which leads to did the tire have a rim. If it didn't, can an empty tire have a powder in it, then a liquid in a cup and when the tire is straightened upward the cup tips and the powder and liquid are explosive. Somehow I'm thinking that there was a rim on that tire... Would a hollow tire exploding do that much damage? Maybe so... If there was a rim, maybe they can identify it somehow.
And what kind of bomb was this, motion set it off maybe (like the rolling of a tire with explosives in it that mixed during the rolling)? Or was there something just under that rim that couldn't be seen, and when the tire was lifted off it, that set off the bomb (it released something, or it pulled a string or or ?)
But back to the drugs... Do you think that if a doctor was doling out oxycontin and demerol and collecting thousands of dollars in their office and not seeing the people coming in (i.e. they were coming for scripts), and some of the other things that doctor who was suspended was accused of doing, do you think there were some people getting drugs from that doctor that they, in turn, were selling? taking? taking/selling? Could this piss some big drug dealers off enough to bomb a doctor who might be a tie breaking vote on whether or not their source's license would be forever suspended? (was anything like that on the agenda?) Stopping someone from selling drugs puts a big dent in a big income. And...evidently there was at least one rumor I saw at an odd site (someone commenting on a news article) that said that this didn't seem to be the first time this doctor was suspected of doing this type of thing. Not being able to sell when you've done it for a long time ain't a happy thing and could surely peeve a few people off. Aside from that, there were comments in a number of articles mentioning "this thing just keeps growing and growing" (talking about the doctors suspension, but more like the drugs and people involved, I think.)
Maybe someone acted "for" someone who was going to be nailed today or tomorrow maybe in the board meeting. Maybe they figured the best way to get the meeting called off would be to damage the board's chair.
I must say that some of the comments noted in some of the articles about the one doctor who had their license suspended for alleged drug dealing were very out of order, i.e. like the person had no conscience whatsoever, like they had a personality disorder that would make them not care less that they were breaking laws or hurting people. Every quote that I read coming from them smacked of a really questionable person, with very questionable morals.
Still a lot more thinking here...rummaging through thoughts...
Wrinks
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Wrinkles, thank you for explaining the genealogy PDF. That was some great digging!
I haven't turned this possibility over in my head much about but I'm wondering, would we be looking at a possible drug connection as a network of drug suppliers? Instead of the drug-users planting this bomb, which I would find unlikely. Drug users, don't strike me as the type that would take the time and effort that would go into making a bomb and staging this whole scene. I'm thinking bomb making would require steady hands and patience too.
I'm curious to know if LE thinks there is an illegal prescription drug ring and Dr. Pierce was the first one targeted for unwittingly shutting down the drug access by revoking or suspending Dr.s that are involved in writing these scripts? (Perhaps the members of the board are/were also targets, or it was a warning?)
If so, then that would lead me to think of organized crime (not automatically concluding the Mob or Mafia) but rather another organized crime group that operates in that area? There are many, I just don't know which operates in that area. Which if we go with this thought it's a viable possibility but I would imagine that a execution style gunshot would have sent the same message and been easier to pull off, and draw less attention.
Which leads me to think that whoever did this wants attention. To show they are powerful and that they dominate. Do you think so too?
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http://www.kait8.com/Global/story.asp?S=9797251
"West Memphis Police Chief Bob Paudert says police are protecting Pierce's family around the clock.
Police stand guard at the Pierce's home 24-7."
I'm glad they are protecting his family. I hope that he continues to improve today.
"West Memphis Police Chief Bob Paudert says police are protecting Pierce's family around the clock.
Police stand guard at the Pierce's home 24-7."
I'm glad they are protecting his family. I hope that he continues to improve today.
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Explanation of Dr Pierce's connection to the nursing home and updates at the below link:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,489125,00.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,489125,00.html
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Well it seems the "good" doctor might not have been so good. Could be any number of "enemies" related to the nursing home stuff and wrongful death suit, drugs, medical board votes, etc. There is always the possibility that it was random. Everyone on earth thought the Anne Pressly murder was some sort of targeted killing, yet in the end, sadly, it seems pretty much random and she was the wrong person in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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Where in anything that you read did you get the impression that "the good doctor may not have been so good." Just curious. He was the medical director of a facility that had charges brought against it for neglect, it would be common for his name to be brought up in the suit as well because of the position he held. That does not mean that he committed any sort of crime what-so-ever. Physicians all over the country are sued without merit on a regular basis by money hungry attorneys who pray on the emotions of grieving family members.
FWIW this honestly sounds to me like something too personal to be something involved with the board’s general business. Why would he have been targeted in this personal a manner? Then again maybe it was someone hoping to intimidate the entire board and they just selected one member (or maybe a few and just hit at the first good opportunity they saw). If this is the case then It shouldn’t be too hard to narrow down b/c what’s the point of trying to intimidate someone or a group of people if they don't know or at least suspect you where behind it, the point of intimidation is to change future behavior.
IMO I would be looking more for disgruntled patients or business partners, and any possible family/marital problems. They seem more likely to be involved in such a targeted personal attack.
I also wonder about the device I mean what are the chances someone created something this sophisticated and have everything "go right" on the first try (i.e. built and transported with no problem, then had to go off just right). I know it was not exactly a hydrogen bomb or anything but whatever it was, was able to be built and transported and also had an at least some what smart trigger (i.e. it was not just a timer or like light a fuse it was either set off remotely or by something the victim did). This doesn't some like something a pissed off doctor or random OC junkie would whip up in their garage. I wonder if whoever built this was not the person with motive but was hired by them.
One last thing I would think whoever did this would have expected the victim to die so I wonder if anyone who knew the victim has suddenly had to "go out of town" or something in the last day?
IMO I would be looking more for disgruntled patients or business partners, and any possible family/marital problems. They seem more likely to be involved in such a targeted personal attack.
I also wonder about the device I mean what are the chances someone created something this sophisticated and have everything "go right" on the first try (i.e. built and transported with no problem, then had to go off just right). I know it was not exactly a hydrogen bomb or anything but whatever it was, was able to be built and transported and also had an at least some what smart trigger (i.e. it was not just a timer or like light a fuse it was either set off remotely or by something the victim did). This doesn't some like something a pissed off doctor or random OC junkie would whip up in their garage. I wonder if whoever built this was not the person with motive but was hired by them.
One last thing I would think whoever did this would have expected the victim to die so I wonder if anyone who knew the victim has suddenly had to "go out of town" or something in the last day?
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Not that he personally did something to someone else, but perhaps he was involved in things. who knows. someone had a motive to do this. and usually its because someone FEELS wronged. After all he was named in suits related to the nursing home abuse and death cases. someone felt like they had reason to do this and its usually because they feel wronged, ripped off, hurt, etc. Unless its just a random act.
I don't know how useful this is but I thought I'd put it here
http://www.armedicalboard.org/info/notices_bydoc.asp
http://www.armedicalboard.org/info/notices_bydoc.asp
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I think I understand what you are saying. My point is though as the Medical Director of the facility in question, if a suit is filed It would be common for him to be named as well because of the position he held, not because he is guilty of any wrong doing. (although someone may feel he is) This act does seem rather personal. I can't imagine that someone went to all this trouble to harm a random individual. That just doesn't sit right with me.
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I think they should look very closely at the doctor who was up for review this last week. With all I have read about him, he is a real creeper!
What dr. is that? Do you have any links?
I've searched, with no luck at all, the first name listed on the ar. medical board notices. It's listed as emergency order of suspension with a Jan. 9, 09 date. I'm not sure what the acronym after his name means, but I looked it up and came back with this:
LRCP- Laboratory Research Cooperative Program
sorry if I got off topic
LRCP stands for Licensed Respiratory Care Practitioner.
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