AR - Josh Duggar Admits Molesting Girls As A Teenager - #1

[Mrs G Norris]

Of course. Because it's perfectly natural for a 14-year-old to play doctor.

On the other hand, maybe it is if he has had no education whatsoever in human anatomy and reproduction. Just been instructed not to think about such things.

I don't know about you guys, but by that age the kids I knew were well past the 'playing doctor' stage. I do however think that the boy was extremely sexually frustrated, and the fact they were home schooled and rather isolated and controlled would have exacerbated this situation.

 

[Donjeta]

It gets worse. Did you know that Josh was just "playing doctor"? Did you know his victims are equally to blame? Did you know the abuse had "eternal consequences of great benefit and glory to God" to both victims and abuser?: http://m.nydailynews.com/news/natio...-josh-duggar-playing-doctor-article-1.2234641

Sooo.... everybody should have a resident child predator? Because child molesters are doing everybody a favor and make God happy?

 

[poppyfrock]

Very respectfully bolded by me. No, this is not the truth, your mind has not been destroyed, YOU have not been destroyed, because you are capable of seeing the truth. Yes, it is the most painful thing in the world to realize that someone who should have loved and protected you allowed to be gravely harmed, or did the harming, but YOU are not the broken one. The one(s) who did the hurting and the one(s) who covered it up and denied it are the broken ones, THEY are the ones who would rather walk with evil than shine the light on it. I honor your bravery in surviving, in telling the truth, and in protecting yourself as others should have protected you. Think about this: the fact that your parents did not love you enough to protect you, to believe you, does not make YOU unloveable or worthless, it makes them those things. This is the truth. This is the truth I paid for with my pain and my blood and I give it to you.
With gentle love, from a fellow ptsd survivor.

Thank you for your kind words. I read them and believe that they are true. I just struggle very badly nowadays with abuse that happened years ago. I guess what I'm saying is my abuse was never dealt with properly and I doubt the duggars was. I was blamed for my abuse and these poor girls probably were too. My parents covered up and protected my abuser but not me and it seems that's what happened to the duggar girls as well.

I suppose I am worried that while the duggar girls seem fine and content (for the most part obviously we only know what we see on tv) that later in life it may hit them in a way that is so damaging they could end up in emergency crisis. Like I did. Its like one day you're cruising down the road of life and everything is fine in your world and then suddenly BAM your world is turned upside down over something that happened years ago when you were a child and you begin to suffer horribly mentally. That's what happened to me anyway.

Maybe my mind isn't destroyed as you say, but it FEELS like it is as the effects of the trauma are sinking in and wreaking havoc in my brain. Song22 also said she suffered a crisis due to dealing with her childhood abuse recently. When I was hospitalized the last time, one of the doctors told me "I can't tell you how many people we get in here (the psychiatric hospital) in their 30's and 40's who are just beginning to deal with their child abuse." So, I think it may be a semi common thing (I don't know how common, but enough for this doctor to notice it)

People seem to be doing ok in life and suddenly years later in adulthood they start suffering mentally from childhood abuse. If you would have asked me 4 or 5 years ago if I thought my child abuse was gonna have any negative effects on me in the future I would have said "No, because it would have already effected me by now and it hasn't. I'm fine." I never would have imagined I would end up hospitalized.

I believe this probably comes from the abuse not being properly dealt with at the time. If I would have gotten professional help as a child after being abused and then protected from my abuser afterwards, I probably wouldn't have these problems now. I just worry the duggar girls seem ok, but in 10 or 20 years could be spiraling out of control suffering the effects of their abuse that they weren't able to process or deal with earlier in life because they were never provided the proper treatment and protection.

 

[Donjeta]

((((Hugs)))) from me too, for you, and song22 both.
You don't have to deal with it alone.

I suppose I am worried that while the duggar girls seem fine and content (for the most part obviously we only know what we see on tv) that later in life it may hit them in a way that is so damaging they could end up in emergency crisis.

In the light of the above rules it means little to nothing to me if they look happy on TV. That's what they've been instructed to look like and it says nothing about what happens inside as showing genuine feelings is not encouraged in the family and negative emotions are a transgression against God.

(And I haven't grown up with such rules but I think if I had cameras dogging my every step I'd probably still try to keep up a facade and look cheerier than I feel, to avoid the viewers psychoanalyzing my distress. If there was some secret sorrow like sexual abuse that I'd absolutely not want to be made public, I'd make even more effort to pretend.)

And there's always editing... If the aim of the producers is to show a big happy family they would choose the happy clips. I think a lot of it is scripted. If not by the TLC team, then by Jim Bob and Michelle. It was never in their best interests to allow the dark side of the family life to be shown on TV.

 

[Boomeroreo]

I think the parents wanted $$$$..Still the same, the TLC network shouldn't allow the family back on after what happened and the parents should be arrested for promoting molestation and why I say this. Because look what happened to Alex from the "off the grid" homestead family, they lost all 10 of their children because the oldest reported sexual abuse and physical beatings from this Joe. They were living in a real house until I believe the talk of what Alex said. I bet they left the nice home to hide. And they were caught SLEEPING together! And I don't believe these kids will return to Joe and Nicole.

 

[Boomeroreo]

There is no cure for molestation, they may tell you there is, but nope sorry break it to you. And as far as his children. I just have this strange feeling that he is doing to his own children that are too young to talk

 

[gitana1]

I think the parents wanted $$$$ that's why it wasn't told until this month. Still the same, the TLC network shouldn't allow the family back on after what happened and the parents should be arrested for promoting molestation and why I say this. Because look what happened to Alex from the "off the grid" homestead family, they lost all 10 of their children because the oldest reported sexual abuse and physical beatings from this Joe. They were living in a real house until I believe the talk of what Alex said. And I don't believe these kids will return to Joe and Nicole until some changes are met, like clean up the Pigs sly place they live in

Oh my gosh. I had no clue their daughter revealed all that.

 

[gitana1]

There is no cure for molestation, they may tell you there is, but nope sorry break it to you. And as far as his children. I just have this strange feeling that he is doing to his own children that are too young to talk

There's no cure for pedophilia for sure. But I've been reading various things that indicate 14 is too young to be classified as a pedophile yet, even though they might be, and that some youthful sexual offenders stop offending and do not do so again.

Whats double troubling here is the age of his victims,'his age when offending, the multiple victims and multiple offenses, spanning a year that we know of, and the sheer number of serious sex offenders surrounding and deeply involve in this family.

But I've also read that some children act out abuse they themselves have suffered yet to do not grow up to be adult abusers. Of course if true here, that would open up a whole other can of worms.

 

[Boomeroreo]

It's important to note that one of the victims is STILL a minor.
That is the one who is seeking to have the records destroyed.
This means that at least one victim was under 6 years old at the time.
I am guessing that is the one he fondled while he was reading her a book with her on his lap. :twocents:

Brought back some tears to my face.. I also wonder if he was also sexually abusing the babies and they don't remember now. Under 2 years old.. I feel sorry for his children and I believe that he abusing them too

 

[believe09]

While some fans have criticized Duggar’s parents, Jim Bob and Michelle, in the aftermath of the molestation scandal for not publicly disclosing the situation sooner, Seewald said that they are also not to blame and acted as “godly parents should.”

“How many of you would broadcast the sins of your children to the whole world? Would you be willing to publicize your own darkest moments?” Seewald, a devout Christian, asked in the blog post.

I wanted to speak to this-we have discussed this at length, but the Duggar family put themselves into the position of broadcasting their darkest moments when they decided on a reality show knowing that this was lurking. As for rule number 4 on the list regarding self-gain...is that for real? They are on air collecting fees and pushing their own version of goods and services. They are not doing this for any other reason than self gain.

Perhaps they will begin to view all of this as their penance for being prideful and gaining materially. This is not the world picking on them-this is their time to review their epic shortcomings and failures in regards to their parenting and the sham (imo) that their lifestyle is.

Josh committed his crimes against two families over the period of a year and repeatedly with the same set of victims. In spite of being instructed and counseled to stop. He was persistent. Imvho, that indicates someone who is a danger...I think it is fair to consider him a danger. As others pointed out, when the Duggars swept this under the rug they prevented others from being able to adequately protect their children from him.

As far as I have been able to see, it is not customary to destroy records of an investigation like this one. The fact that they were ordered to be destroyed is quite suspicious.

 

[Boomeroreo]

Definitely gay people. I'v never heard them say boo about pedophiles. But gay people? Trans? Holy hell. Evil incarnate to them.



Oh gosh. "Training" means, in part, breaking the will of the child via hitting that child, as young as infancy, with a "rod", into total submission. Michelle Duggar describes some of this training in their book. Sh describes hiding around a corner and rushing toward the baby when it crawls off blanket she's placed him on, and hitting him with a wooden spoon for moving. But you have to read between the lines because they were smart about what they revealed and they use euphemisms a lot, like "correction" instead of hitting.

"Buddy system" means the older girls are raising the younger. After 6 months of age, from what I've seen, the mom gave the babies to their older sister "buddy" to raise.

AMISH FAMILIES DO this

 

[Boomeroreo]

For others who want more info on this, it is often referred to as blanket training. Be prepared for your heart to hurt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanket_training

 

[believe09]

Washington Post TV critic Hank Stuever writes that while the initial response might be for the Duggar show to disappear, he thinks TLC should actually use the opportunity to put some reality into reality television.
"Now is the time for TLC to double down and have the courage to present America, at last, with a truly unscripted show about a family enduring a crisis largely of its own making," he writes."Life is not what it quite seems at the Duggar compound — but who ever watched that show and sincerely thought it was always that perfect?"

Hank Stuever is nuts-of course no one believed that the Duggar family was perfect, but to continue to give them a platform and deprive these victims of privacy...all while continuing to issue a paycheck? The time for TLC to show a family in crisis was when they put the show on the air after having done their due diligence and uncovered the specifics of the investigation. :banghead:

Link HERE

 

[Donjeta]

While some fans have criticized Duggar’s parents, Jim Bob and Michelle, in the aftermath of the molestation scandal for not publicly disclosing the situation sooner, Seewald said that they are also not to blame and acted as “godly parents should.”

“How many of you would broadcast the sins of your children to the whole world? Would you be willing to publicize your own darkest moments?” Seewald, a devout Christian, asked in the blog post.

I wanted to speak to this-we have discussed this at length, but the Duggar family put themselves into the position of broadcasting their darkest moments when they decided on a reality show knowing that this was lurking. As for rule number 4 on the list regarding self-gain...is that for real? They are on air collecting fees and pushing their own version of goods and services. They are not doing this for any other reason than self gain.

Perhaps they will begin to view all of this as their penance for being prideful and gaining materially. This is not the world picking on them-this is their time to review their epic shortcomings and failures in regards to their parenting and the sham (imo) that their lifestyle is.

Josh committed his crimes against two families over the period of a year and repeatedly with the same set of victims. In spite of being instructed and counseled to stop. He was persistent. Imvho, that indicates someone who is a danger...I think it is fair to consider him a danger. As others pointed out, when the Duggars swept this under the rug they prevented others from being able to adequately protect their children from him.

As far as I have been able to see, it is not customary to destroy records of an investigation like this one. The fact that they were ordered to be destroyed is quite suspicious.

Well I totally understand not wanting to broadcast to the world your darkest moments if your darkest moments are that your son is an incestuous modsnipping modsnip and your daughters are victims of sexual abuse by their brother. But then again, with this kind of secret hanging on everyone's back I consider it absolutely irresponsible to broadcast to the world ANYTHING about those kids. What in the holy blazes made Michelle and Jim Bob think that exploiting children at such a dysfunctional place and time in their lives for national consumption would be a good idea?


Then again, I would never broadcast to the world even the normal mundane goings on in our family. I don't even put the kids names and photos on social media...

JMO I think there should be a limit to the things that parents do for the money.

JMO it's bad enough to make the children pretend that everything is hunky dory within the family if it isn't. Making them pretend that everything is hunky dory in front of a national TV audience is worse.

 

[believe09]

At the end of the day imvho there is no reasonable explanation for their family taking to the airways, especially after their appearance on Oprah was never aired. They knew why. Harpo Productions turned the information they had over to the Department of Human Services.

The story that needs to be told is what TLC knew before they started airing the program.

 

[Donjeta]

Washington Post TV critic Hank Stuever writes that while the initial response might be for the Duggar show to disappear, he thinks TLC should actually use the opportunity to put some reality into reality television.
"Now is the time for TLC to double down and have the courage to present America, at last, with a truly unscripted show about a family enduring a crisis largely of its own making," he writes."Life is not what it quite seems at the Duggar compound — but who ever watched that show and sincerely thought it was always that perfect?"

Hank Stuever is nuts-of course no one believed that the Duggar family was perfect, but to continue to give them a platform and deprive these victims of privacy...all while continuing to issue a paycheck? The time for TLC to show a family in crisis was when they put the show on the air after having done their due diligence and uncovered the specifics of the investigation. :banghead:

Link HERE

In general I think the idea of putting more reality to reality TV would be great, but honestly, if they created such a show I'm willing to bet there'd be very little reality in it.

Rather, we'd see a carefully scripted PR opportunity where everybody would be doing their damnedest to convince the world that sexual abuse is no big deal when it happens in a lovely family like the Duggars because forgiveness, because family values, because Christian parenting.... Of course we dealt with it very seriously at the time, or are pretending that we have, but incest brings everyone closer to God and we have learned such a lot, and see, everyone is side hugging and smiling so we're okay now.

It would aim at rehabilitating Josh, Michelle and Jim Bob's public image and end up being exploitative of the victims and the younger children

 

[Boomeroreo]

Did he go to his parents? I've heard (read) alternating stories of he was caught in, or coming out of, the room where it happened (that's hardly coming to his parents over it), or, one of the girls came to the parents. I've also heard (read) that one of the girls wrote down what happened in a letter, put the letter in a book and "forgot" about it, and the book was later loaned out to a family friend, who found the letter and went to the authorities. Of course, there's also the anonymous email that was sent to Oprah, telling her all about it.

What I heard that Michelle saw Josh coming out of the room and confronted him. But who knows if that's true or not. I'm glad the show was cancelled. At least now Jena will be able to move on with her life.

 

[Boomeroreo]

I'm talking about Joe and Nicole not the Duggars another family. Look here: https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-NASTY-Little-Homestead/790726694356144?fref=photo

and: http://www.adventuresofanurse.com/2015/05/10/living-off-the-grid-continued-the-naugler-family/

 

[oh_gal]

It's John David who is an Officer in Washington County Arkansas. Also holds a Pilots License and living on his own. Cant post the link as I found the info on a coupla blogs. I have seen him flying planes on the show and he took his Dad on a Police ride along on one episode.

Is it a fact that he's living on his own?? I find that fascinating, if true. You don't hear much about that, and I've never seen his bachelor pad.

 

[oh_gal]

Hank Stuever is nuts-of course no one believed that the Duggar family was perfect, but to continue to give them a platform and deprive these victims of privacy...all while continuing to issue a paycheck? The time for TLC to show a family in crisis was when they put the show on the air after having done their due diligence and uncovered the specifics of the investigation. :banghead:

Link HERE

Thanks for posting this. I thought he sounded like a nutjob, too.