AR - Josh Duggar Admits Molesting Girls As A Teenager - #3

[IzzyBlanche]

http://ja20.com/

why is this site still up?

uh oh. Poof!

 

[Donjeta]

Purification After Childbirth

12 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Say to the Israelites: ‘A woman who becomes pregnant and gives birth to a son will be ceremonially unclean for seven days, just as she is unclean during her monthly period. 3 On the eighth day the boy is to be circumcised. 4 Then the woman must wait thirty-three days to be purified from her bleeding. She must not touch anything sacred or go to the sanctuary until the days of her purification are over. 5 If she gives birth to a daughter, for two weeks the woman will be unclean, as during her period. Then she must wait sixty-six days to be purified from her bleeding.

6 “‘When the days of her purification for a son or daughter are over, she is to bring to the priest at the entrance to the tent of meeting a year-old lamb for a burnt offering and a young pigeon or a dove for a sin offering.[a] 7 He shall offer them before the Lord to make atonement for her, and then she will be ceremonially clean from her flow of blood.

“‘These are the regulations for the woman who gives birth to a boy or a girl. 8 But if she cannot afford a lamb, she is to bring two doves or two young pigeons, one for a burnt offering and the other for a sin offering. In this way the priest will make atonement for her, and she will be clean.’”

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+12

Just wondering if Michelle remembered to bring the pigeons to the entrance of the tent every time because if she forgot she is unclean. (if she lives according to part of the rule, shouldn't she follow the whole thing?)

 

[EllieBee]

I'm sure that there's a perfectly stupid reason for it.

Girls are sinful and filthy. Boys are lovely and pure, but because they came out of a filthy tunnel, 40 days are still required.

This thinking is so disgusting.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

LOL - Ron Jeremy is pretty much on par with Josh in the looks dept.

But wasn't he, er, "gifted" in other ways?

 

[EllieBee]

But wasn't he, er, "gifted" in other ways?

To quote my DD in her teen years "OMG...GROSS! Ewwwwww!"

 

[bluesneakers]

Just as the scripture I posted above says, there are many, many people who claim to be Christians and do, say, create things in His Name. My beliefs don't align with any movement, sect, denominations, reconstructions, or theocracies. My beliefs as a Christian are to live as close to Jesus' example as possible. The whole point of Christianity is the following and accepting of Christ in a personal and intimate way. This can't be achieved in a group, a movement, or by force of any reigning or governing bodies. It's a chosen relationship.

I understand you aren't aligned with any particular movement or sect, but they are out there and they want to make America a theocracy, or at least officially a "Christian nation."

I'm not expecting you to answer for them and their actions, but I'm curious why you think a Christian nation could never be formed. Because tbh it's a frightening idea to me.

From February 2015:

Q17 (Republicans) Would you support or oppose establishing Christianity as the national religion?
57% Support establishing Christianity as the national religion
30% Oppose establishing Christianity as the national religion
Not sure 13%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_22415.pdf

 

[IzzyBlanche]

uh oh. Poof!

Never mind. Not POOFED. Unfortunately.

 

[bluesneakers]

Thanks wasn't enough.

I am sorry to say that I have known woefully few self-described Christians who appeared to be attempting to live according to Jesus's example. In fact, I can count them on one hand.

But I've known too many self-described Christians like the Duggars, who reek of hypocrisy and self-righteousness, to count.

I need more than two hands to count the first group but that's only because I went to a Jesuit college. If I were to not count anyone from those years it would be only one hand.

The second group though.. definitely too many to count. I don't know how many times I've heard the "cast the first stone" quote but at this point, imo, it just makes a sorry excuse for bad or even reprehensible behavior. It wouldn't surprise me if Duggar supporters were using it as a defense now.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Anyone who can stand a little more vomiting, read this from the poofed/not poofed link Donjeta posted, keeping in mind what we now know about Josh's teenage "mistakes."

http://ja20.com/ourstory/

 

[Donjeta]

Josh: As I became a teenage young man I was constantly tempted to have lots of wrong thoughts, and often battled to keep my heart right. One of the greatest things that helped me in my struggles was my parent’s commitment to accountability. They were faithful to talk with each one of their children – if we were willing to share honestly & openly with them – to maintain a clear conscience. I learned quickly that great freedom can be achieved by accountability, and great accountability requires humility & openness. I often had failures in my early teenage years, but found I had a clear conscience only when I was willing to confess my thoughts and temptations quickly to God & my parents. (1 John 1:9)

He's just rattling off a party line that he's memorized by heart... it's clear he didn't mean any of it

This was apparently written in early 2013, around the time he signed up for Ashley Madison.

In early 2013 they found out the are expecting again, with baby Duggar due in June! Anna now works full time as a Mommy, and the couple resides at their Fayetteville, Arkansas home.

The site reports: 'Someone using a credit card belonging to a Joshua J. Duggar, with a billing address that matches the home in Fayetteville, Arkansas owned by his grandmother Mary - a home that was consistently on their now-cancelled TV show, and in which Anna Duggar gave birth to her first child - paid a total of $986.76 for two different monthly Ashley Madison subscriptions from February of 2013 until May of 2015.

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[IzzyBlanche]

I need more than two hands to count the first group but that's only because I went to a Jesuit college. If I were to not count anyone from those years it would be only one hand.

The second group though.. definitely too many to count. I don't know how many times I've heard the "cast the first stone" quote but at this point, imo, it just makes a sorry excuse for bad or even reprehensible behavior. It wouldn't surprise me if Duggar supporters were using it as a defense now.

Regarding your second paragraph: interesting. I can't think of any times I've heard that quote coming from a Christian to defend another Christian's non-Christian behavior.

I recall hearing it only from non-Christians pointing out so-called Christians throwing stones at others, like the Duggars throwing stones at gays and transgenders.

 

[bluesneakers]

http://mic.com/articles/124165/josh-duggar-s-ok-cupid-profile-is-proof-of-his-hypocrisy

This guy is a real charmer.

What an entitled :censored:.

 

[bluesneakers]

Regarding your second paragraph: interesting. I can't think of any times I've heard that quote coming from a Christian to defend another Christian's non-Christian behavior.

I recall hearing it only from non-Christians pointing out so-called Christians throwing stones at others, like the Duggars throwing stones at gays and transgenders.

Maybe we're thinking of different quotes? I meant the "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her" one. So if you're not perfect you have no right to criticize Josh Duggar.

I live in Toronto and repeatedly heard this thrown (!) around during the Rob Ford crisis. It was even on a billboard.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

http://mic.com/articles/124165/josh-duggar-s-ok-cupid-profile-is-proof-of-his-hypocrisy

This guy is a real charmer.

Well, there you go. After all, Jesus was known for telling homeless and poor people to get jobs and absolutely forbidding others to clothe or feed them.

Wait.

Never mind.

I was confusing Jesus with Ebenezer Scrooge.

Easy mistake. Maybe Josh made it, too.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Maybe we're thinking of different quotes? I meant the "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her" one. So if you're not perfect you have no right to criticize Josh Duggar.

I live in Toronto and repeatedly heard this thrown (!) around during the Rob Ford crisis. It was even on a billboard.

We are thinking of the same quote.

Self-described Christian: "That Britney Spears, she is such a ."

Non-Christian: "What? Didn't Jesus teach that only those without sin were allowed to throw stones [i.e. castigate someone for sexual sins as the term "" does] at others?"

Self-described Christian: "I have no idea what you are talking about."

This is a rough reconstruction of an actual exchange I had, playing the part of the non-Christian.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Purification After Childbirth

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+12

Just wondering if Michelle remembered to bring the pigeons to the entrance of the tent every time because if she forgot she is unclean. (if she lives according to part of the rule, shouldn't she follow the whole thing?)

Just wondering myself if Josh's days are numbered. Because Leviticus 20:10

And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

 

[Donjeta]

Regarding your second paragraph: interesting. I can't think of any times I've heard that quote coming from a Christian to defend another Christian's non-Christian behavior.

I recall hearing it only from non-Christians pointing out so-called Christians throwing stones at others, like the Duggars throwing stones at gays and transgenders.

I have come across the quote in social media and the point the poster was trying to make you can't criticize Josh Duggar for molesting his sisters if you're not perfect yourself. Jesus forgives.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I have come across the quote in social media and the point the poster was trying to make you can't criticize Josh Duggar for molesting his sisters if you're not perfect yourself. Jesus forgives.

Again, interesting. I myself have heard it used only by non-Christians alluding to so-called Christians, but with the same logic: you [Christians] can't criticize [gays, transgenders, for example] if you're not perfect yourself. You ESPECIALLY since you claim to be followers of Jesus's teachings.

As far as Jesus forgiving, well, mostly he did and sometimes he didn't. Just ask the money lenders (not directed at you, Donjeta, but at the reasoning of others that you posted).

 

[T4Tide]

Get your vomit buckets ready before you read this

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...helle-s-marriage-tip-NOT-deny-spouse-sex.html

That is so horribly sad and wrong. Physical intimacy has many different facets. What kind of love would it be if my husband didn't care if I wanted to participate or not, but only that I fulfill his needs? And what about if I fell ill, disabled, or mentally incompetent and couldn't perform? What kind of love would it be if my husband wouldn't love me then? It's not frequent sex that keeps a man from infidelity, it's his commitment to the vows he spoke before God.

Because of my childhood history of SA, it is very important that I be a willing participant in physical intimacy. Going through the motions when I'm not emotionally or physically involved takes me to a dark place. My husband is so very respectful and understanding of this. He cares more that my security in him remains strong than he does what pleasure my body can provide. It saddens me that anyone would think that their body kept their spouse interested more than their heart and soul.

 

[T4Tide]

Thanks wasn't enough.

I am sorry to say that I have known woefully few self-described Christians who appeared to be attempting to live according to Jesus's example. In fact, I can count them on one hand.

But I've known too many self-described Christians like the Duggars, who reek of hypocrisy and self-righteousness, to count.

You know, though... while my first instinct is to be disgusted by people like this, I believe that "Christians" who act this way have the knowledge that they are forgiven by Christ, but *they* haven't forgiven themselves. Because of this, acting pompous elevates them to a inflated feeling of righteousness that really is just ultimately masking their insecurity and disgust at their own transgressions. How terrible to be stuck in such a state. It doesn't excuse their actions, but like my pastor says "Healthy people contribute healthy things to relationships. Hurting people hurt other people."