AR - Josh Duggar Admits Molesting Girls As A Teenager - #3

[ScarlettScarpetta]

If he had harmed his sisters when he was a younger child, I could agree with you. But, he didn't. He was well int his teen years. Let's say he was just "curious" and repressed. He still knew it was wrong. He did not seek to explore his sexuality with a similar aged sibling (which he had,) he chose to molest young children in vulnerable positions. The is the crux for me. He chose children who had less of a voice. He knew it was wrong then, by his own admission at the time. Yet, he returned to them and continued. (And, to be blunt...I think it's wildly naive to believe he only "touched" them.) He knows it's wrong now, by his own admission. When do we stop allowing the fault of the parent's in childhood, to allow people who know right from wrong...off the hook? He is a grown adult with a wife and children, who paid EXTRA, so he could get his money back if he didn't have an affair. How long can he hide behind childhood and people not just accept...he's really a sick creep. Did childhood create him? We will never know. But he's not a child. He can choose to not cheat. He can choose to not lie. But he didn't.

He was a young kid when he did that and I am not excusing it. I don't know what happened but I do believe the girls and they say they were unaware of it until being told.
I think there is a chance he was abused himself at one point but none of that excuses the behavior. It does however provide insight to me and an explanation for it.

I think he was pushed into marriage and stifled sexually and this is the result. I did not say that he is not at fault for his choices. But I think that he has a whole different life than we do. He has led a closed life. His parents on the other hand, Did not. They made these choices for themselves. They fooled around and she was a cheerleader and wore short skirts and had a real teen age life.
I think that Josh was an experiment to them and they created a monster.
I think he just wants what we all wanted, experience.
I can not imagine not making out with anyone ever but one person. I can not imagine not ever kissing until marriage.
I don't think any of can say for sure but I can't be mad at him for cheating.

To me it was coming at some point. An explosion of what he wants and desires as an adult and what he was told to be.
He has been repressed since birth.

 

[blue22]

He was a young kid when he did that and I am not excusing it. I don't know what happened but I do believe the girls and they say they were unaware of it until being told.
I think there is a chance he was abused himself at one point but none of that excuses the behavior. It does however provide insight to me and an explanation for it.

I think he was pushed into marriage and stifled sexually and this is the result. I did not say that he is not at fault for his choices. But I think that he has a whole different life than we do. He has led a closed life. His parents on the other hand, Did not. They made these choices for themselves. They fooled around and she was a cheerleader and wore short skirts and had a real teen age life.
I think that Josh was an experiment to them and they created a monster.
I think he just wants what we all wanted, experience.
I can not imagine not making out with anyone ever but one person. I can not imagine not ever kissing until marriage.
I don't think any of can say for sure but I can't be mad at him for cheating.

To me it was coming at some point. An explosion of what he wants and desires as an adult and what he was told to be.
He has been repressed since birth.

I' suppose I can't understand how anyone could not be mad and give him a pass. He could have brought back STDs to his wife. (I doubt they would EVER get tested.) He could have impregnated someone else. He has humiliated his wife and children publicly and left his own children to grow up with his sick and twisted legacy.

I couldn't disagree more. 14 -15 is NOT a young kid. The girls were young kids.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I' suppose I can't understand how anyone could not be mad and give him a pass. He could have brought back STDs to his wife. (I doubt they would EVER get tested.) He could have impregnated someone else. He has humiliated his wife and children publicly and left his own children to grow up with his sick and twisted legacy.

I couldn't disagree more. 14 -15 is NOT a young kid. The girls were young kids.

Who is giving him a pass? Im not. He made a choice and he is paying for it. But I can not discount his life and how he was brought up as part of who he is now.
I am not excusing his behavior. I don't really care. It does not affect me one bit. I feel bad for Anna but she knew there were problems before she married him.
My problem is that I don't think any of these kids have choices. Or normalcy. I don't think this will be the last story we hear about them being people with problems.

You can understand someone and not agree with them. I don't need to thrash to feel better.

 

[Friday Fan]

And just for fun:

LOL at that sign!!!! Don't throw the first stone cuz "Ford = Fiscal Responsibility". Canada is sounding like the US....Didn't know he had a religious following.....LOL

 

[Cardinal47]

Every single person has the choice between good and evil. It's a line we can or cannot chose to cross.

I believe Josh crossed that line well aware of what he was doing. He chose to disgrace himself and his family.

Many people grow up in dysfunctional families but they chose to be good. Josh made his bed and now he and all those he hurt must lay in it.

 

[Bravo]

I have a very hard time believing these young girls were unaware Josh was molesting them. I think they were sugar coating it. IMO

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I have a very hard time believing these young girls were unaware Josh was molesting them. I think they were sugar coating it. IMO

Not me. And I am not blaming victims or casting doubt on them. They were kids at the time.

I do however wonder if these were the only ones involved.

 

[LaneGirl]

What he did at 14-15 was sick and gross. It was 5 little girls...5 and he was old enough to know it was wrong thats why he did it when they were asleep so they couldn't tell on him!

As for the lying and cheating on his wife...

I have perhaps some insight as to the why.

Growing up in a strict religious home you are taught to believe certain things. Sex before marriage is wrong, is wrong, masterbation is wrong, in his case kissing before marriage is wrong. You believe this because your parents who love you taught you this. You grow up move out and see and learn of others kissing before marriage, watching , talking about masterbation and look they are "normal" and living "happy" lives.

You begin to doubt your upbringing but now you are in too deep, you married a good believing wife, you are a public figure (yikes espousing hate)you have 4 children and you family who you love and loves you and they are good christians. You are standing on a precipice...you now see what you were taught is bunk. What do you do? Leave? You can't because the dark underbelly of this love filled religion is shunning. So you fake it or hide.

I say the above only because the key to understanding is knowledge. Knowledge about how a persons upbringing can and could effect their decision making. Doesn't make it right or wrong I'm just letting those of you that weren't raised in a strict religion see what a person who is MAY go through.

They can see the "fun" in the "world" but should they taste it they are risking loosing their ENTIRE family and friends so they hide it.

Having said all of that there are guys/gals out there they are not raised in strict religious homes that cheat too.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

What he did at 14-15 was sick and gross. It was 5 little girls...5 and he was old enough to know it was wrong thats why he did it when they were asleep so they couldn't tell on him!

As for the lying and cheating on his wife...

I have perhaps some insight as to the why.

Growing up in a strict religious home you are taught to believe certain things. Sex before marriage is wrong, is wrong, masterbation is wrong, in his case kissing before marriage is wrong. You believe this because your parents who love you taught you this. You grow up move out and see and learn of others kissing before marriage, watching , talking about masterbation and look they are "normal" and living "happy" lives.

You begin to doubt your upbringing but now you are in too deep, you married a good believing wife, you are a public figure (yikes espousing hate)you have 4 children and you family who you love and loves you and they are good christians. You are standing on a precipice...you now see what you were taught is bunk. What do you do? Leave? You can't because the dark underbelly of this love filled religion is shunning. So you fake it or hide.

I say the above only because the key to understanding is knowledge. Knowledge about how a persons upbringing can and could effect their decision making. Doesn't make it right or wrong I'm just letting those of you that weren't raised in a strict religion see what a person who is MAY go through.

They can see the "fun" in the "world" but should they taste it they are risking loosing their ENTIRE family and friends so they hide it.

Having said all of that there are guys/gals out there they are not raised in strict religious homes that cheat too.

I agree.. I think that what happened is the stages where he should have been dating and experimenting.. being a normal teen boy he was stifled and most likely told there is something wrong with those normal things so that he would believe something was then wrong with him.

I would bet the worst of this lifestyle was poured onto jd because he was the oldest.

 

[LaneGirl]

I agree.. I think that what happened is the stages where he should have been dating and experimenting.. being a normal teen boy he was stifled and most likely told there is something wrong with those normal things so that he would believe something was then wrong with him.

I would bet the worst of this lifestyle was poured onto jd because he was the oldest.

Please don't confuse my post with the fact that he still knew right from wrong and could have easily at 14-15 and as an adult made the right decision not to molest and not to lie and cheat!

 

[Bravo]

IMO the "bad seed" was already there. The repressed upbringing didn't help matters I agree. However he was never seen by a Professional. And now we have the recent revelations. IMO there is much we dont know about of the years in between. Maybe we will never know. I don't hate Josh. I just hate what he did.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Please don't confuse my post with the fact that he still knew right from wrong and could have easily at 14-15 and as an adult made the right decision not to molest and not to lie and cheat!

I know people don't agree with me.. but a 14-15 yr old brought up in this house, Completely dominated and stifled taught that there is no healthy sexuality except in marriage and that it is sinful to participate in any kind of normal behavior like kissing or even holding hands, can not be normal. People say he knew better and I bet there was something that told him this was wrong but as a kids of probably 12-13 at that age in the way he was isolated and brainwashed, he could not make normal best choices.
I think if he was a kid that grew up like the rest of us, then yes.. 14-15 way old enough to know better, but with his upbringing, I don't see it as equal.
If you have ever been exposed to that kind of upbringing where it becomes a cult and oppressive life is just something you can imagine.
I feel like his parents have created this maladjusted, damaged man. Of course he can choose but I just feel that the damage done plays a huge part in his choices.

 

[Paulas88]

Every single person has the choice between good and evil. It's a line we can or cannot chose to cross.

I believe Josh crossed that line well aware of what he was doing. He chose to disgrace himself and his family.

Many people grow up in dysfunctional families but they chose to be good. Josh made his bed and now he and all those he hurt must lay in it.

Agreed! JD could've left the home at 18, and lived with a different set of values if he so chose.

Unfortunately, (it's rather sad really) he's got some kind of duality going on. I think HE should ask for the divorce, and maybe go find himself.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Agreed! JD could've left the home at 18, and lived with a different set of values if he so chose.

Unfortunately, (it's rather sad really) he's got some kind of duality going on. I think HE should ask for the divorce, and maybe go find himself.

He really couldn't It seems really easy to say that but you have no idea how repressed and under control he is. Look at his statement. It is with his parents. He has never been able to break away. He is dominated still by them.

 

[Bravo]

I know people don't agree with me.. but a 14-15 yr old brought up in this house, Completely dominated and stifled taught that there is no healthy sexuality except in marriage and that it is sinful to participate in any kind of normal behavior like kissing or even holding hands, can not be normal. People say he knew better and I bet there was something that told him this was wrong but as a kids of probably 12-13 at that age in the way he was isolated and brainwashed, he could not make normal best choices.
I think if he was a kid that grew up like the rest of us, then yes.. 14-15 way old enough to know better, but with his upbringing, I don't see it as equal.
If you have ever been exposed to that kind of upbringing where it becomes a cult and oppressive life is just something you can imagine.
I feel like his parents have created this maladjusted, damaged man. Of course he can choose but I just feel that the damage done plays a huge part in his choices.

I hear you and agree with some. I think we can all agree that his Parents did nothing to help him when the molestation occured. Whether letting the proper folks step in would have changed things I dont know.

 

[Bravo]

Josh may have had some domination still going on and likely thru the ties of the show. Now that's poof he's back in Arkansas. Where Mommy and Daddy may dominate but also protect him.

 

[LaneGirl]

I know people don't agree with me.. but a 14-15 yr old brought up in this house, Completely dominated and stifled taught that there is no healthy sexuality except in marriage and that it is sinful to participate in any kind of normal behavior like kissing or even holding hands, can not be normal. People say he knew better and I bet there was something that told him this was wrong but as a kids of probably 12-13 at that age in the way he was isolated and brainwashed, he could not make normal best choices.
I think if he was a kid that grew up like the rest of us, then yes.. 14-15 way old enough to know better, but with his upbringing, I don't see it as equal.
If you have ever been exposed to that kind of upbringing where it becomes a cult and oppressive life is just something you can imagine.
I feel like his parents have created this maladjusted, damaged man. Of course he can choose but I just feel that the damage done plays a huge part in his choices.

I can tell you from my experience growing up in a fundie religion sex was always discussed at church and at home. Like "sex before marriage is wrong" "masterbation is wrong" "looking at female/male anatomy is wrong" "petting before marriage is wrong" even watching people on tv if it was risqué it was wrong.

So my point being he'd been taught in church/home that "touching" is wrong before marriage. And in this case his religious upbringing was correct.

Repressed upbringing or not he was taught this was wrong he knew it.

 

[human]

What he did at 14-15 was sick and gross. It was 5 little girls...5 and he was old enough to know it was wrong thats why he did it when they were asleep so they couldn't tell on him!

As for the lying and cheating on his wife...

I have perhaps some insight as to the why.

Growing up in a strict religious home you are taught to believe certain things. Sex before marriage is wrong, is wrong, masterbation is wrong, in his case kissing before marriage is wrong. You believe this because your parents who love you taught you this. You grow up move out and see and learn of others kissing before marriage, watching , talking about masterbation and look they are "normal" and living "happy" lives.

You begin to doubt your upbringing but now you are in too deep, you married a good believing wife, you are a public figure (yikes espousing hate)you have 4 children and you family who you love and loves you and they are good christians. You are standing on a precipice...you now see what you were taught is bunk. What do you do? Leave? You can't because the dark underbelly of this love filled religion is shunning. So you fake it or hide.

I say the above only because the key to understanding is knowledge. Knowledge about how a persons upbringing can and could effect their decision making. Doesn't make it right or wrong I'm just letting those of you that weren't raised in a strict religion see what a person who is MAY go through.

They can see the "fun" in the "world" but should they taste it they are risking loosing their ENTIRE family and friends so they hide it.

Having said all of that there are guys/gals out there they are not raised in strict religious homes that cheat too.

He has a wife and four little children.

It is all about what he wants. Whatever it may be, he is entitled to it, Sex is one thing, but I bet he is entitled in plenty of other ways as well.

He may be repressed, but he must be having sex with his wife as often as he wants to with her. Her feelings are simply not important enough to him.

It is all about him.

 

[LaneGirl]

He really couldn't It seems really easy to say that but you have no idea how repressed and under control he is. Look at his statement. It is with his parents. He has never been able to break away. He is dominated still by them.

This is one area I will agree with you (sorta).

The control the parents and the religion, for some, people is really strong. Especially if you still sorta believe. Its strong and you feel you are condemning your soul. The other side is you totally risk shunning from your entire believing family and friends.

Walking away is very difficult but not impossible many have done it. Some loose family and friends and for others family and friends don't "shun" as strictly as they are supposed to.

 

[LaneGirl]

He has a wife and four little children.

It is all about what he wants. Whatever it may be, he is entitled to it, Sex is one thing, but I bet he is entitled in plenty of other ways as well.

He may be repressed, but he must be having sex with his wife as often as he wants to with her. Her feelings are simply not important enough to him.

It is all about him.

This is true and why I made that last statement that "guys/gals out there not raised in strict religious homes cheat too".

My only point was trying to show how one can get caught in a situation due to their religious beliefs. He couldn't just divorce his wife if he wants to without some serious kickback possibly shunning from his family and friends.

In non fundie home a guy/gal can just say I want a divorce because I married to young or whatever. He/She would have some drama with family and friends but that eventually calms down over time. In a fundie home things may never calm down. Family/friends sometimes go years or a life time not talking to their errant family member.