AR - Josh Duggar Admits Molesting Girls As A Teenager - #3

[LinasK]

Josh and Rader remind me of the self-proclaimed Christians I grew up among who condescended to me because I wasn't Christian, yet exhibited all kinds of hateful beliefs and behavior that I would never dream of engaging in because they violated the moral code I was brought up with.

All the while justifying it because as Christians, they were forgiven their sins. (If they even thought of their behavior as sinful, but most of them lacked the self-awareness to do so.) What a useful get-out-of-jail-free card.

Josh (BBM): "I have been the biggest hypocrite ever." Still so self-important, even in disgrace. Probably not even the biggest hypocrite in Arkansas.

My first roommate in college was like that. I signed up for a non-smoker, she took up smoking and immediately became a chain-smoker (in reality she had only quit for the summer while she was home). But she also drank every night of the week, and what made it okay for her, was that she was Catholic and went to confession every Sunday. Therefore if you confess your sins you can go ahead and keep committing them...

 

[sorrell skye]

Josh and Rader remind me of the self-proclaimed Christians I grew up among who condescended to me because I wasn't Christian, yet exhibited all kinds of hateful beliefs and behavior that I would never dream of engaging in because they violated the moral code I was brought up with.

All the while justifying it because as Christians, they were forgiven their sins. (If they even thought of their behavior as sinful, but most of them lacked the self-awareness to do so.) What a useful get-out-of-jail-free card.

Josh (BBM): "I have been the biggest hypocrite ever." Still so self-important, even in disgrace. Probably not even the biggest hypocrite in Arkansas.

Good point, Izzy!

If he can't be lauded for being the most righteous man, he'll nominate himself for the award as the least righteous man.

As long as he wins a prize for something - he's satisfied with himself, even if that prize is much-deserved public ridicule and scorn.

I think he believes this is the equivalent of humbling himself, but, as you aptly pointed out - he's only exalting himself - AGAIN!

 

[Hoosgirl]

I agree but I also wonder if she will be insisting on some birth control and having no more babies . Four is a perfectly reasonable amount of kids for someone who is an admitted child molester. JS

If nothing else, she will insist that "Madison" be removed from the list of possible M names for future kids.

 

[LinasK]

Good point, Izzy!

If he can't be lauded for being the most righteous man, he'll nominate himself for the award as the least righteous man.

As long as he wins a prize for something - he's satisfied with himself, even if that prize is much-deserved public ridicule and scorn.

I think he believes this is the equivalent of humbling himself, but, as you aptly pointed out - he's only exalting himself - AGAIN!

I read that they will pressure Anna to take the blame for his addiction. I guess she wasn't a good enough wife. Was she also to blame for him molesting his sisters before she even knew him???:banghead::banghead::banghead:

 

[MyBelle]

Anna is in a position without too many options. Through the Duggers she too has grown accustomed to the 'good life'. So to return to her humble roots in her fathers home in Florida with four young children would be a burden on her family for sure.

She has no skills or education and the one that was to honor and protect her is no more.

What are her options?

Plenty of options but it is up to her to take the first step. Having no education or skills is her fault. Time for this woman to grow up and stop depending on others. Returning to her father's home and burdening him is a cop-out.

Dugger has money and will be required to pay child support. The rest is up to her.

JMO

 

[cady]

I read that they will pressure Anna to take the blame for his addiction. I guess she wasn't a good enough wife. Was she also to blame for him molesting his sisters before she even knew him???:banghead::banghead::banghead:

The worst part is that Anna believes that she is to blame. These people are very much like fundie Islamists in their views of women. JMO

 

[sorrell skye]

Plenty of options but it is up to her to take the first step. Having no education or skills is her fault. Time for this woman to grow up and stop depending on others. Returning to her father's home and burdening him is a cop-out.

Dugger has money and will be required to pay child support. The rest is up to her.

JMO

BBM

MyBelle: "Having no education or skills is her fault'"

How is having no education or skills Anna's fault? If she was raised to believe that her only life options are to marry, bear children, and be a homemaker - how is her lack of education "her fault"???

IMO, this is the same archaic attitude that condemns women in domestic violence situations when the question is asked "Why doesn't she just leave?"

I think these Quiverfull women need a similar support network to assist them in leaving that some folks are providing for the Amish.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

My first roommate in college was like that. I signed up for a non-smoker, she took up smoking and immediately became a chain-smoker (in reality she had only quit for the summer while she was home). But she also drank every night of the week, and what made it okay for her, was that she was Catholic and went to confession every Sunday. Therefore if you confess your sins you can go ahead and keep committing them...

Consuming alcohol is not a sin for Catholics nor is smoking for that matter. But I will say drinking and smoking in excess is bad for Christians and non-Christians alike.

 

[RickshawFan]

If he had an affair, did he use birth control?

I'd be more concerned about him passing on an STD to his wife. And I'll bet she'd never know, since she probably has not been taught about those, either.

 

[RickshawFan]

parents who would shun their child and grandchildren for sins of the father should be ashamed and shunned themselves. Anna does not deserve to live in the shadow of Josh's misdeeds and disrespect for her and kids. She does have options, which are better than living with the discusting lying loser she is stuck with now. I may not have the faith she has, as any man who treated our marriage and children like that would be kicked to the curb so fast his head would spin fast than Reagan's in The Exorcist. It's a matter of love, trust, respect, Josh has shown none toward his wife. Anna does NOT needs to live with his nasty behavior, which becomes very public. I do wish her well. She does have options.:moo: I'll just bet Momma and Poppa Duggar are coddling Josh. But will the older sisters will "forgive him this time"?ick

Mom and Dad inflicted this lifestyle on their daughter, by rearing her the way they did, marrying her off, and then supporting the values of getting pregnant as often as possible. Because of their behavior and choices, they'd better be prepared to support their daughter and grandchildren in every way, including financially: they got her into this mess.

 

[sorrell skye]

I agree mostly, with the exception of his assault on his sisters and the other child.

JB and MD's response, or lack thereof speaks volumes about how "seriously" they viewed the molestation of those little girls.

I honestly do not know if there was so little reaction about what would shatter a normal family because they truly believe that males are not responsible for managing their own lustful feelings, or because they were worried about losing the gravy train.

Either way, the girls were a casualty and frankly, not even really considered at all.

They have treated Joshie like the victim. I find it odd that they are so zealous about repressing every aspect of natural sexual behavior, and yet treat the abuse of their own daughters as "no biggie".

This should serve as a cautionary tale for zealots of all belief systems: you may be creating a monster.

BBM

This is exactly what has happened.

Josh has been treated like a victim (by his parents) from the very first day this sordid story was reported. His parents have protected, excused, and run interference for him.

IMO, he's been treated as the golden child his entire life.

After he molested his sisters and another girl, his sisters were LOCKED in their room at night. Not Josh the pervert, but his sisters - the victims of their pervert brother.

It's no wonder he went on to be a philandering hypocrite. He was never held accountable for his disgusting sexual deviancy when he was a teenager, which led him to believe that he could do anything and get away with it - because he's a male - he's superior. He was taught that a man's sexual sins are always the woman's fault because they "defrauded" the male.

Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

 

[sorrell skye]

The worst part is that Anna believes that she is to blame. These people are very much like fundie Islamists in their views of women. JMO

I don't presume to know what Anna believes, but if she adheres without question to Gothard's teachings, she undoubtedly believes that her husband's infidelities are her fault.

If one is a male in this cult, one has the express freedom (according to Gothard's teachings) to 'fall victim' to sin and to lay blame upon a female (one's sister, one's wife, etc.).

What treacherous male wouldn't celebrate being a part of such a cult?

 

[gitana1]

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You have to wonder about the intelligence f the men who join. There are vastly more men members than women and it is such a risk.

I predicted from the beginning that Anna wouldn't leave. I don't think that's an option in her culture.

He was a young kid when he did that and I am not excusing it. I don't know what happened but I do believe the girls and they say they were unaware of it until being told.
I think there is a chance he was abused himself at one point but none of that excuses the behavior. It does however provide insight to me and an explanation for it.

I think he was pushed into marriage and stifled sexually and this is the result. I did not say that he is not at fault for his choices. But I think that he has a whole different life than we do. He has led a closed life. His parents on the other hand, Did not. They made these choices for themselves. They fooled around and she was a cheerleader and wore short skirts and had a real teen age life.
I think that Josh was an experiment to them and they created a monster.
I think he just wants what we all wanted, experience.
I can not imagine not making out with anyone ever but one person. I can not imagine not ever kissing until marriage.
I don't think any of can say for sure but I can't be mad at him for cheating.

To me it was coming at some point. An explosion of what he wants and desires as an adult and what he was told to be.
He has been repressed since birth.

I agree with some of what you've said but let's be super clear: Josh was no "young kid", which is about ages 6-9. He was a fully pubertal 14 and 15 year old. And he was a predator, repeatedly assaulting his victims who were fully aware of what he did.

The first time it came out one of his victims went running crying to her parents (who apparently did nothing). He continued on. He pulled down their underwear and fondled them under their clothes. One little one he molested while he held her on his lap and read her a story. Another he accosted in the pantry.

The Duggars are trying now to minimize what happened but the police report doesn't lie.

 

[gitana1]

I have a very hard time believing these young girls were unaware Josh was molesting them. I think they were sugar coating it. IMO

Not me. And I am not blaming victims or casting doubt on them. They were kids at the time.

I do however wonder if these were the only ones involved.

The police report shows they were quite aware.

 

[gitana1]

I have searched but have not found a thing as to how Josh is supporting himself and his Family since returning to Arkansas. I would think some kind of work for Jim Bob???

That family earne a boatload from the show over the years, including Josh. I'm sure they can live off it for quite some time, and they've invested in a ton of real estate, athough they must be somewhat worried as they briefly had a funding site for Duggar TV after the show was cancelled.

 

[gitana1]

He really couldn't. We think as we like. We have not been endocrinated though I have friends that have been. It is just not that easy.
I don't believe that he alone is responsible for his behavior as a young teen. I am okay if people don't agree with me but I believe he had a lot of help and influence.
When you repress natural urges in a boy and tell him he is bad or wrong or going to hell you make him secret things.

It is learned behavior as a child.

He had an affair and that is sad and wrong. But I still believe his upbringing all the secrets he had to hold or be scolded or damned or whatever... played a huge part in his malfunctions.

Yes. I actually think it is unlikely that he would've molested little girls and cheated if not for his background. But you're missing a huge aspect of that background. It's not just about being repressed sexually and having every act and thought controlled. Josh was raised in crazy-making dichotomous culture that is at once extremely repressive of any sexuality outside hetero marriage, including masturbation, looking with any kind of lust at anyone, discussing sex or the body with anyone your own age, seeing anyone besides yourself and babies naked, and even thinking any type of sexual thought when not married (young women are instructed not to even dream about romance or a future mate but to instead be a satsified stay at home daughter until God suddenly drops a mate into her lap - -through a mating arranged by her father), but which is also super, incredibly sex obsessed.

This is culture is hyper aware and obsessed with sex. Temptation, "defrauding" women, "unnatural" sex (gays), and the joys and constant discussion, insinuations and even demonstrations of hetero married sexuality (i.e. The Duggars constantly making out in front of their kids and referencing what they do in the bedroom "hey hey hey!" and "you don't get to do this until your married!") are major obsessive focuses of the culture.

And that's an incredible toxic brew- obsession and repression.

But the key element that when added makes for an even more incredibly toxic environment that virtually guarantees a high level of sexual abuse and dysfunction at all levels is the gender stratification. And the utter patriarchal domination. Women must submit to men. All are taught that the body cannot be trusted, that women and children's bodies are not their own, that men have a direct line from God and are thus "headships" of their wives and children, including adult unmarried daughters and that women are utterly at fault when their headship does something wrong including adultery, child abuse, sexual molestation, gay sex romps and domestic violence.

So imagine a boy being raised in that? Being inundated with sex, told he must repress his sexuality but also told that men control women and children's bodies and sexuality and are above women.

It certainly doesn't make me feel Josh is not to blame. Despite the above, he had choice. I think he is a selfish creep and has definite predatory leanings that he acted on as a teen. But I am agreeing with Scarlett that the culture and the parents bear some of the blame. The incidences of this kind of behavior are higher in cultures like this.

 

[flourish]

BBM

MyBelle: "Having no education or skills is her fault'"

How is having no education or skills Anna's fault? If she was raised to believe that her only life options are to marry, bear children, and be a homemaker - how is her lack of education "her fault"???

IMO, this is the same archaic attitude that condemns women in domestic violence situations when the question is asked "Why doesn't she just leave?"

I think these Quiverfull women need a similar support network to assist them in leaving that some folks are providing for the Amish.

Yes.


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[Irisha]

Anna is in a position without too many options. Through the Duggers she too has grown accustomed to the 'good life'. So to return to her humble roots in her fathers home in Florida with four young children would be a burden on her family for sure.

She has no skills or education and the one that was to honor and protect her is no more.

What are her options?

There are options out there for her and her kids. What good life has she grown accustomed too? sure a decent house and his lying, cheating, pedophile of a husband who has embassassed her, and his families< who do a damn good job themselves>. What he has also done is emotionally and mentally abused her from his discusting "secret" sexual behaviour. How can she ever have any "faith" in him or anything he says. What value as a husband and father does he have left to give her? NONE He disrespected her as a person, wife, mother of his children. Just how many times did he cheat that she will be forced to deal with, get over it if ever. Both families make me sick and I consider them phony's. Have the parents, Duggars or her's made any statements or are they hiding?:furious: IMO

 

[bluesneakers]

There are options out there for her and her kids. What good life has she grown accustomed too? sure a decent house and his lying, cheating, pedophile of a husband who has embassassed her, and his families< who do a damn good job themselves>. What he has also done is emotionally and mentally abused her from his discusting "secret" sexual behaviour. How can she ever have any "faith" in him or anything he says. What value as a husband and father does he have left to give her? NONE He disrespected her as a person, wife, mother of his children. Just how many times did he cheat that she will be forced to deal with, get over it if ever. Both families make me sick and I consider them phony's. Have the parents, Duggars or her's made any statements or are they hiding?:furious: IMO

The best option I see for her is to dump him and get her own show. Watching her try to take control of her own life, get an education, start a career, and take care of her kids might be worth watching to some viewers. But she needs help. She needs real help no matter what she decides to do now.

I think she'll stay with him though, and take some of the blame for what happened. She doesn't know anything else and she's been indoctrinated to this way of life since the day she was born. It's not like she's got anyone outside trying to rescue her from this cult.

 

[MyBelle]

BBM

MyBelle: "Having no education or skills is her fault'"

How is having no education or skills Anna's fault? If she was raised to believe that her only life options are to marry, bear children, and be a homemaker - how is her lack of education "her fault"???

IMO, this is the same archaic attitude that condemns women in domestic violence situations when the question is asked "Why doesn't she just leave?"

I think these Quiverfull women need a similar support network to assist them in leaving that some folks are providing for the Amish.

afaik, the woman is not a victim of domestic violence.

She is part of a family paid to be on television and certainly has access to the outside world and to the educational opportunities available to all women.

JMO