AR - Josh Duggar Admits Molesting Girls As A Teenager - #3

[RickshawFan]

Thank you. I was thinking of the famous Nike slogan of 'just do it'
In this case it means don't do it.IMO

That's hilarious!

I'm sure the Duggars have no idea about the full implication of some of the terms they use.

Clearly, Josh has narcissistically and criminally adopted the Nike slogan.

 

[RickshawFan]

Okay, so it comes from Nike shoes. I was wondering if it meant an immodestly dressed woman was like a Nike Missile.

Maybe the Duggar males' pet name for an "immodestly" dressed female is a swoosh? They use that word where a "lesser Christian" might use a catcall?

 

[Montjoy]

I think that the whole 'Nike' thing comes from the relatively revealing nature of athletic gear. Have you ever seen a picture of any Duggar female wearing shorts? What's more, it's quite possible that the Duggars are opposed to the idea of girls playing in sports -- or at least sports in public. Perhaps they consider it immodest or unfeminine. Or perhaps just too liberating or empowering -- those would be perfectly valid reasons for the Duggars to oppose female sports.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

The males didn't use the word Nike. The females were instructed to use it to warn the males to look at their shoes instead of a provocatively dressed female in their line of vision.

Because of course the males couldn't be trusted to follow their upbringing unassisted. So the females had to step in.

If I posted my speculation as to what the Duggar males called an immodestly dressed female, or in fact any human female at all, I'd risk being banned.

So I won't go there.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I think that the whole 'Nike' thing comes from the relatively revealing nature of athletic gear. Have you ever seen a picture of any Duggar female wearing shorts? What's more, it's quite possible that the Duggars are opposed to the idea of girls playing in sports -- or at least sports in public. Perhaps they consider it immodest or unfeminine. Or perhaps just too liberating or empowering -- those would be perfectly valid reasons for the Duggars to oppose female sports.

Sorry, darlin', no.

But it doesn't stop there. Like Arkansas' very own morality police, they're also on the look out for ladies (perhaps words like "jezebel" and "harlot" were edited out in early drafts) who aren't subscribing to a similar dress code. Sure, they don't arrest people, but the family have a special code word for these provocative women, which is "Nike." Really, there's a code word:

"That's a signal to the boys, and even to Dad, that they should nonchalantly drop their eyes and look down at their shoes as we walk past her... It's meant to help keep the guys' eyes from seeing things they shouldn't be seeing. By using the single-word signal, the warning can be given quietly and discreetly."

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/news/a21626/duggar-girls-book-quotes/

 

[Montjoy]

Sorry, darlin', no.

Not sure what you mean here -- if you're responding to me, or playing Jim Bob, responding to the girls? I know perfectly well why they yell 'Nike' -- I was just commenting on why that was their choice of word. It surely isn't because of any mythological connection.

 

[bluesneakers]

The males didn't use the word Nike. The females were instructed to use it to warn the males to look at their shoes instead of a provocatively dressed female in their line of vision.

Because of course the males couldn't be trusted to follow their upbringing unassisted. So the females had to step in.

If I posted my speculation as to what the Duggar males called an immodestly dressed female, or in fact any human female at all, I'd risk being banned.

So I won't go there.

So it's all on the women. Don't wear revealing clothes. If another woman wears revealing clothing step in and help the males. Don't say no when your husband wants sex.

I wonder where they stand on breastfeeding in public. I'd guess no, but what if the baby is a boy?

 

[MsFacetious]

Perhaps the word is Nike because they are to look at their shoes when it is said? :dunno:

 

[Cardinal47]

So it's all on the women. Don't wear revealing clothes. If another woman wears revealing clothing step in and help the males. Don't say no when your husband wants sex.

I wonder where they stand on breastfeeding in public. I'd guess no, but what if the baby is a boy?

Actually I think Michelle did nurse in
public.

She had some big kind of coverall she wore with the baby under it. I always guessed she was nursing.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Not sure what you mean here -- if you're responding to me, or playing Jim Bob, responding to the girls? I know perfectly well why they yell 'Nike' -- I was just commenting on why that was their choice of word. It surely isn't because of any mythological connection.

Sorry, I thought you didn't know why they yell Nike.

 

[Donjeta]

Oh and it's the woman's fault if the man strays:

http://www.people.com/article/cross-church-pastor-josh-duggar-ashley-madison-sermon

One of the most notable was the fifth suggestion, which mentioned keeping both husband and wife happy through "sexual contact," which may only be put on hold for "focused prayer." However, Floyd warned, if a husband or wife fails to keep his or her partner happy sexually they are opening themselves "up to the attack of the enemy.

"And that enemy is going to take your spouse away from you," he said.

"Both men and woman have their sexual needs met by someone, somewhere, somehow."

Floyd carefully stated that the service was not designed to make anyone "feel guilty," but for educating and helping empower those who may not understand the Biblical view on sex.

Do not feel guilty but it's your fault, Anna. :banghead:

 

[gitana1]

Saying that Josh, a male, has a choice about whether or not he will have an affair is not the same as suggesting that daughters in this cult have anywhere near the same sort of volition when it comes to leaving a bad marriage, getting work or education out of the home, or what not. I don't think that anything in Gitana's post suggests that. The situation for males and females is totally different.

Right. It's an environment that fosters sex abuse, domestic violence and cheaters like Josh. But the power structure is one that takes all choice away from females and ultimately vests it with the patriarch- whether husband or father.

 

[K_Z]

<Parody> The "eloquent" Pastor Ronnie Floyd continued:

"Oh, by the way, Anna, it's also YOUR fault that Josh molested his sisters and the other girl. Because you didn't listen to God calling you to meet Josh sooner, and ask your father if you could agree to marry Josh sooner, so your body could be available to Josh sooner, so he wouldn't be tempted to molest his sisters. It's all YOUR fault, Anna. Every sinful thing Josh has ever done, every sinful thought Josh has ever had-- it's YOUR fault, Anna. But you can seek Josh's forgiveness, even as you admit your failings before God and the world. Now go be fruitful and multiply with your headship-- you've only produced 4 kids in the last 5 years-- what's wrong with you? Have you been refusing your husband?" <parody>

I feel so bad for the 4 kids of Josh and Anna, who will grow up with all of these scandals as part of a history and image they can never overcome or escape. Just like the rest of the younger Duggar kids, they are all imprisoned by abusive groupthink and hypocrisy.

 

[gitana1]

Josh didn't just have an affair. He molested his sisters and said he has an addiction to . Women who were caught up in the Warren Jeff's cult finally got out....with a big helping hand from CPS.

JMO

Very few women have been able to get out of the FLDS statistically speaking and none were helped by CPS. They were helped by others who had escaped and an underground railroad style network of people willing to hide them out.

 

[gitana1]

There are many cultures and religions in which the dichotomy we see here between males and females is a key feature. In many, it is more extreme than what the Duggars practice. Many of those cultures and religions are practiced in the USA. They don't create conditions where men are predatory with children, cheat on their wives, or look at .

We don't have fewer rapes than we used to in this country just because most people know a bit about sex, nor do we have fewer extramarital affairs, a lower incidence of incest....

This is about Josh and the Duggars, not lack of Sex Ed 101. It is about power.

Saying that the sexual repression in the Duggar family set the conditions for Josh's behavior&#8212;the felonious kind and the "sin" kind&#8212;endorses that familiar theme: men can't control their "urges" and suppression is a disaster. Then we're back to "Duggar-think".

The Duggars seem to believe that control over human desires and impulses is the solution to all that is wrong in their family, while at the same time subscribing to the notion that men's sexual needs have to be catered to because otherwise there'll be some sort of disaster. On what planet is that even rational?

This is about Josh and the Duggars and their habit of manipulating reality just the way they want to. They do it in the name of religion, but this is not religion. They are making up the rules as they go along! (In my childhood, we called this cheating). They superficially label an act a "sin" as a way to minimize unacceptable behaviors. Without the "sin" part, this kind of narcissism is the basis for many criminal behaviors.

Oh no. I have never and would never suggest men can't control their urges. Instead, these cultures teach their male children that females are beneath them and that men control female's bodies and sexuality. That fosters dysfunctional thinking and an environment in which such behaviors are more likely to occur. But it absolutely does not put a gun to the head of the males and force them to molest children or rape their wives or become serial adulterers.

As to your contention that this behavior is not universal among cultures in which such gender extremes are practiced, that is only true when the gender dichotomy is NOT part of a patriarchal power structure. In every culture in which there is strict gender stratification within a patriarchal, religious-based power structure - Wahhabi Islam, Hasidic Jews, FLDS, Amish, etc., the incidents of sexual abuse and violence against women and children is pervasive and higher than the larger society that surrounds it.

 

[gitana1]

Well it may have all been rumor, who are we to know? Here is just one site of many that reported it back in March: okmagazine.com/.../jana-duggar-leaving-19-kids-and-counting-for-colle. I mentioned early summer, perhaps I was wrong on timing, or it was being reported again.

I feel like I know due to years of studying this culture the family is not only part of, but royal members of. Everything they have actually stated- not rumors- supports the belief that Jana wouldn't dream of college and has zero serious thoughts of breaking from the culture or her family.

 

[sorrell skye]

Oh and it's the woman's fault if the man strays:

http://www.people.com/article/cross-church-pastor-josh-duggar-ashley-madison-sermon


Do not feel guilty but it's your fault, Anna. :banghead:

The belief that daily boinking inoculates a relationship against infidelity is as asinine as the belief that 'immodest' females are the downfall of otherwise chaste males, or that changing a baby girl's diaper incites lust in a boy.

If one places an inordinate amount of importance on fulfillment via sex, one will only be met with disappointment. If one is a sex addict, no amount of sex is ever enough.

If committed partners cultivate a mature relationship outside the 'bedroom' by nurturing true intimacy, sex is relegated to its rightful place as one of the many aspects of a thriving partnership - rather than the raison d'etre of a relationship. Sex is not and should not be the penultimate expression of intimacy in a healthy relationship.

 

[Bravo]

Looks like Anna has an offer for an out from her Brother. Sister supports same

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/entertainm...-a-pig-begs-her-to-leave/ar-BBm3khH?li=AA59yo

 

[Donjeta]

I think pastor Ronnie cheapens the commitment. I'm not particularly religious but I promised to be faithful to my spouse for better and for worse, and I consider it a binding promise. Our vows did not include, "we'll be faithful as long as all our sexual needs, wants and impulses are being fulfilled every day, and if not they will be met by someone, somewhere, somehow"

 

[human]

Looks like Anna has an offer for an out from her Brother. Sister supports same

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/entertainm...-a-pig-begs-her-to-leave/ar-BBm3khH?li=AA59yo

All right! She has voices telling her this is not acceptable!