AR AR - Whitehall Motel in El Dorado, WhtFem, 81UFAR, 18-21, Jul'91 - #2 - Kelly from VA

[folieadeuxnola]

This comment makes the situation about James not about EDJD her family convicted him along time ago and its a myth that someone is looking for her... then in the very next sentence he says. May have pretended they were someone trying to get a reward. Then the following sentence he says they wanted to be sure it was her... That entire page makes no sense to me 1st they convicted him, then nobody is looking for her, then someone wanted a reward, then they wanted to be sure it was her.

Next paragraph goes into I need help and getting out in 2 mths I need money, poor pit full me my family is not good I was wrongly convicted ..etc ... what a SMUCK!

 

[folieadeuxnola]

Pulling out a few more key items; topics for thought and discussion

** JM tends to point the finger at Tyrone for all the bad things they did, just an observation seems as thou this is a diffuse and deflect tactic to shift blame. Another observation is the fact he throws off anyone whom calls about EDJD as someone looking for a reward is this also a tactic to keep others off of the case. Once she is identified he no longer has a cow to cash in own.

Mercedes was on the street since [the] age of 16,” he said. “A black guy she fell for allowed her to be pimped in Fort Worth and Dallas

“She was very young when she was taken. At one time, she was taken from her loved ones by force, but as an adult it was willingly,” McAlphin said

JD - Dallas - Left JD for Tyrone

JD is Mercedes’ former pimp, Jeffrey “JJ” Davis, of Dallas, Phillips said

‘JD,’ [whom] she ran away [from] with Tyrone.

*A little confused, are their 2 people a JD and a JJ and somehow the initials were mixed up

Tyrone - Florida - Left Tyrone for JM)

Tyrone, detectives believe, was Mercedes’ pimp in Florida.

This and the things done with Tyrone were [the] reason for [her] alias name

Tyrone, could not get the VW (Volkswagen) to work while staying with Gail

Gail - ? - Gail is connected to Tyrone

Gail was not happy they were still at her home, EDJD was reading to get to TX and get to work

Tyrone, gave Gail $ 100.00

Gail was leaving to go see her grandmother in Fresno (CA/TX)

JM - Dallas/Florida/Shreveport, Louisiana/Arkansas

When I found out, I took Mercedes and ran for Louisiana

Children

o give Mercedes money if she’d come to his room at the Whitehall Motel. Mercedes told Cooksey she wanted to use that money to send presents to her children.

McAlphin said Mercedes was older than him — he said he was 26 when they met — and she had two children she left with “someone” in Fort Worth, Texas.

She told me her and her mother didn’t get along and that her momma was raising her two kids. I know she had said the one was a girl, but I can’t remember what she said the other one was.”

“She told the lady that when she was there, a child had been taken away from her by social services and that when the child was taken from her, she was using another name, so she could not go get the child back,” Phillips said.

JM Letters - 12/20/15
*20 years he has wondered what happened to her children. They were left with someone in Ft Worth, TX.
(JM did not know whom they were left with, See letter 12/23/15)
*Tried FB when he got of prison but nothing there
(Was he searching by their names or some other random search)
*He already knew who they were (EDJD family) from what Mercedes had told him about there location names etc..
*I believe they wanted to be sure it was her b/c it has been so long since they had seen her.
(Her sister and mother supposedly visited them not too long before she passed, he and they had only been together a year and he had met them.
*Her family convicted me a long time ago


JM Letters - 12/23/15
*We left the kids in Ft Worth with every intention of going back
(1st the kids were left with someone that to me sounded as if JM did not know whom it was from his 1st letter. This letter states "we" left them in FW contradicting).
*I've been convicted by her family (Again) one would think the person convicted by family was EDJD however JM tends to repeat her family convicted him.
(IMO there something here that is bothersome b/c the family convicted him therefore he would do whatever he could to separate EDJD from them.

JM Letters - 1/1/15
*She was running with Tyrone

JM Letters - 1/26/16
*JM can't completely remember her name; it could be Helen or Julie
*EDJD showed JM an issue of Outlaw Biker from 1989 w/EDJD topless w/a biker gang
*Places where she may have stated her real name; Dallas - Life Foundation (Mar 1991), Shreveport Human Services (Mar 1991), Trailways Bus Ticket (Jun 1991).
(Interesting that EDJD purchased a bus ticket in Jun right before her passing assume this was the proof of the true intent to leave JM. This may have been found out by JM and was the reason for EDJD fatal ending.)
*Tyrone's last name was only mentioned in passing and I don't want to guess an be incorrect.

JM Letters Jan-16
*Gives the name Helen Stenner to a cell mate
*JM and EDJD were only together a little over a year (May,Apr 1990 - Jul 1991)

 

[folieadeuxnola]

Working the puzzle on timelines, between the strouds, letters, JM, arrests

JM stated he met EDJD in Dallas (1990) they were together for a little over a year which that would put a time frame of May/Jun 1990. EDJD's letter places her in another state in Aug 1990. The Strouds stated EDJD stayed with them mid-late 1990 IMO JM did not meet EDJD till sometime after Aug 1990 which would put them together less than a year. EDJD's arrests started at the end of the year obviously this is when she was no longer staying with the Strouds. IMO believe the Strouds are connected to Tyrone


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[folieadeuxnola]

Has anyone found the date of when DM stated JM & EDJD had been in FL say month year? Also looking for the month year date of EDJD's employment at KFC


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[folieadeuxnola]

An item to point out is EDJD journal .....
"Ready to get to TX and get to work" IMO if I had been to TX already or had come from TX prior to this writing ... The statement would read "ready to get back to TX and get to work" or "ready to get home to TX and get to work". This seems IMO that EDJD had not been to TX prior to the journal entry. could be wrong however the statement seems very telling. Another item is that JM stated they used their alias names while they were together (Ice/Mercedes) If she was writing about ICe his name would have been injected somewhere as (ice) However it is not. She specifically injects "tyrone", reading the journal EDJD and tyrone were having issues in which believe could not be worked and that was not long after EDJD arrived in Dallas.


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[Roselvr]

Pulling out a few more key items; topics for thought and discussion

** JM tends to point the finger at Tyrone for all the bad things they did, just an observation seems as thou this is a diffuse and deflect tactic to shift blame. Another observation is the fact he throws off anyone whom calls about EDJD as someone looking for a reward is this also a tactic to keep others off of the case. Once she is identified he no longer has a cow to cash in own.






JD - Dallas - Left JD for Tyrone


*A little confused, are their 2 people a JD and a JJ and somehow the initials were mixed up

Tyrone - Florida - Left Tyrone for JM)




Gail - ? - Gail is connected to Tyrone




JM - Dallas/Florida/Shreveport, Louisiana/Arkansas


Children








JM Letters - 12/20/15
*20 years he has wondered what happened to her children. They were left with someone in Ft Worth, TX.
(JM did not know whom they were left with, See letter 12/23/15)
*Tried FB when he got of prison but nothing there
(Was he searching by their names or some other random search)
*He already knew who they were (EDJD family) from what Mercedes had told him about there location names etc..
*I believe they wanted to be sure it was her b/c it has been so long since they had seen her.
(Her sister and mother supposedly visited them not too long before she passed, he and they had only been together a year and he had met them.
*Her family convicted me a long time ago


JM Letters - 12/23/15
*We left the kids in Ft Worth with every intention of going back
(1st the kids were left with someone that to me sounded as if JM did not know whom it was from his 1st letter. This letter states "we" left them in FW contradicting).
*I've been convicted by her family (Again) one would think the person convicted by family was EDJD however JM tends to repeat her family convicted him.
(IMO there something here that is bothersome b/c the family convicted him therefore he would do whatever he could to separate EDJD from them.

JM Letters - 1/1/15
*She was running with Tyrone

JM Letters - 1/26/16
*JM can't completely remember her name; it could be Helen or Julie
*EDJD showed JM an issue of Outlaw Biker from 1989 w/EDJD topless w/a biker gang
*Places where she may have stated her real name; Dallas - Life Foundation (Mar 1991), Shreveport Human Services (Mar 1991), Trailways Bus Ticket (Jun 1991).
(Interesting that EDJD purchased a bus ticket in Jun right before her passing assume this was the proof of the true intent to leave JM. This may have been found out by JM and was the reason for EDJD fatal ending.)
*Tyrone's last name was only mentioned in passing and I don't want to guess an be incorrect.

JM Letters Jan-16
*Gives the name Helen Stenner to a cell mate
*JM and EDJD were only together a little over a year (May,Apr 1990 - Jul 1991)

Really wonder what issue she was in and where she was. Wonder if she was at bike week or on the east coast. My friend Paula took pics for the mags, she's been putting a lot of the pics online

Outlaw Biker from 1989

 

[folieadeuxnola]

Really wonder what issue she was in and where she was. Wonder if she was at bike week or on the east coast. My friend Paula took pics for the mags, she's been putting a lot of the pics online

Outlaw Biker from 1989

Indeed Roselvr from David's research he purchased all of the magazines for 1989 and did not see a match.

That is a very good direction to search thou, the timeline does place EDJD on the east coast in the late 80's.

Have reworked the timeline and its pulling me to VA and NC

 

[folieadeuxnola]

Working timelines, Roselvr you brought up a very good point it could have been bike week.


• EDJD had been on the streets since she was 16 - EDJD had to have gone to school prior to being on the streets she would have been recognizable as being much taller than her classmates.

Virginia – Norfolk/Virginia Beach – (Late 1980’s)
• Menu – The Raven; Virginia Beach
• Menu – Worrell Bros; Virginia Beach
• Menu – The Trolley; Virginia Beach
• Menu – Metropol Market; Norfolk
• Menu – Phillips Waterside; Norfolk

1989 – Outlaw Biker Magazine - Showed photo of her in Outlaw Biker Mag

Arkansas – Little Rock – (1990)
• EDJD told friend her name was Kelly Carr runaway from Florida
• Possibly acquired the ID of Cheryl Wick while working as an exotic dancer. Prime Time now called Paper Moon.

Aug 16-17, 1990 – Staying with Gail, wanted to get to Texas to work mentions being in love. Tyrone gave Gail $ 100 and could not get the VW Volkswagen to work she was ready to get to Texas and get to work. (Possibly in Arkansas?)

Texas – Dallas/Irving – (1990-1991)
•(Mid – Late 1990) Stayed with the S family for a brief time, is the S’s connected to Tyrone and Gail or JM? * Jun – Dec 1990
•Told the S’s she was a runaway from Louisiana that recently moved from Minnesota she gave her name as Cheryl Wick
•Worked at KFC used the name Cheryl Wick (Was EDJD living with the S's while working here?
•Menu - Hooters
•(Mar, Apr, May 1990) - Met JM in Dallas, 1990

•(Dec 31, 1990 / Dec 19, 1990) – Arrested for prostitution, Cheryl Ann Wick –
La Casita Motel – 4300 Harry Hines Blvd. Dallas, TX. 75219
Served 13 days in jail; was given 20 days good time
•(Jan 26, 1991) – Arrested in Dallas gave associated name Catherine Marie w/ DOB 1/31/1970
•(Feb 8, 1991) - Arrested for public lewdness, Cheryl Ann Wick
Carousel Motel - 3211 Forest Ln. Garland, TX 75042
•(Mar 1991) – Life Homeless Shelter

Louisiana – Shreveport – (Mar 1991)
•(Mar 1991) - Visited Human Services - mental health, addictive disorder, and developmental disability services. (What was the reason for the stop and stay?)

Arkansas – El Dorado – (Mar 1991 – Jul 1991)
•(Mar 1991) – Salvation Army, told volunteer a child had been taken away from her by social services at the time she used another name and could not get the child back
•Received medical attention at the hospital for abuse
•(May 1991) - Arrested bad checks under Cheryl Ann Wick
•(Jun 1991) - Purchased Trailways Bus ticket - Where was she going?
•(Jun 1991) - Moved in with friend AC
•Told AC her mom was raising her (2) kids; (1) girl the other unknown
•Told AC she had previously been a stripper
•Told persons she had been to Virginia Beach
•Frequented the video store across the street from the motel
•DM stated they had been in FL, didn’t think EDJD had much of an accent.
•Detective located a letter to the FBI stating her name given was Kelly Lee Carr (24) and was wanted in Virginia and along the east coast for bank robberies.
•(Jul 10, 1991) - Final day on earth

Florida
•JM said he met EDJD mother and sister they lived in Florida
•EDJD told friend in Little Rock she was a run away from Florida
•JM told DM that they had been in Florida
•Detectives believe EDJD’s pimp was Tyrone in Florida

Oklahoma
•Once told JM she was from Oklahoma

 

[Roselvr]

Working timelines, Roselvr you brought up a very good point it could have been bike week.


• EDJD had been on the streets since she was 16 - EDJD had to have gone to school prior to being on the streets she would have been recognizable as being much taller than her classmates.

Virginia – Norfolk/Virginia Beach – (Late 1980’s)
• Menu – The Raven; Virginia Beach
• Menu – Worrell Bros; Virginia Beach
• Menu – The Trolley; Virginia Beach
• Menu – Metropol Market; Norfolk
• Menu – Phillips Waterside; Norfolk

1989 – Outlaw Biker Magazine - Showed photo of her in Outlaw Biker Mag

Arkansas – Little Rock – (1990)
• EDJD told friend her name was Kelly Carr runaway from Florida
• Possibly acquired the ID of Cheryl Wick while working as an exotic dancer. Prime Time now called Paper Moon.

Aug 16-17, 1990 – Staying with Gail, wanted to get to Texas to work mentions being in love. Tyrone gave Gail $ 100 and could not get the VW Volkswagen to work she was ready to get to Texas and get to work. (Possibly in Arkansas?)

Texas – Dallas/Irving – (1990-1991)
•(Mid – Late 1990) Stayed with the S family for a brief time, is the S’s connected to Tyrone and Gail or JM? * Jun – Dec 1990
•Told the S’s she was a runaway from Louisiana that recently moved from Minnesota she gave her name as Cheryl Wick
•Worked at KFC used the name Cheryl Wick (Was EDJD living with the S's while working here?
•Menu - Hooters
•(Mar, Apr, May 1990) - Met JM in Dallas, 1990

•(Dec 31, 1990 / Dec 19, 1990) – Arrested for prostitution, Cheryl Ann Wick –
La Casita Motel – 4300 Harry Hines Blvd. Dallas, TX. 75219
Served 13 days in jail; was given 20 days good time
•(Jan 26, 1991) – Arrested in Dallas gave associated name Catherine Marie w/ DOB 1/31/1970
•(Feb 8, 1991) - Arrested for public lewdness, Cheryl Ann Wick
Carousel Motel - 3211 Forest Ln. Garland, TX 75042
•(Mar 1991) – Life Homeless Shelter

Louisiana – Shreveport – (Mar 1991)
•(Mar 1991) - Visited Human Services - mental health, addictive disorder, and developmental disability services. (What was the reason for the stop and stay?)

Arkansas – El Dorado – (Mar 1991 – Jul 1991)
•(Mar 1991) – Salvation Army, told volunteer a child had been taken away from her by social services at the time she used another name and could not get the child back
•Received medical attention at the hospital for abuse
•(May 1991) - Arrested bad checks under Cheryl Ann Wick
•(Jun 1991) - Purchased Trailways Bus ticket - Where was she going?
•(Jun 1991) - Moved in with friend AC
•Told AC her mom was raising her (2) kids; (1) girl the other unknown
•Told AC she had previously been a stripper
•Told persons she had been to Virginia Beach
•Frequented the video store across the street from the motel
•DM stated they had been in FL, didn’t think EDJD had much of an accent.
•Detective located a letter to the FBI stating her name given was Kelly Lee Carr (24) and was wanted in Virginia and along the east coast for bank robberies.
•(Jul 10, 1991) - Final day on earth

Florida
•JM said he met EDJD mother and sister they lived in Florida
•EDJD told friend in Little Rock she was a run away from Florida
•JM told DM that they had been in Florida
•Detectives believe EDJD’s pimp was Tyrone in Florida

Oklahoma
•Once told JM she was from Oklahoma

I wonder if it was really 1987 or 88 for the mag. If she was at bike week, Paula may have pics on her page. Someone can PM her with EDJD's photo to ask her if she recalls taking pics of her in the late 80's. You can give her the names she used too. She may and she may not.

Here are some of her albums, this one is on her FB profile Vintage Daytona Photos by Pulsating Paula. She has tons of albums on her profile, I believe most are public.

Paula's Daytona album
Early 80's Harley Rendezvous Pattersonville, NY 3 day event
AM-JAM Classic Photos

 

[sloane7777]

Really wonder what issue she was in and where she was. Wonder if she was at bike week or on the east coast. My friend Paula took pics for the mags, she's been putting a lot of the pics online

Outlaw Biker from 1989

he only gave David the name Helen Stenner as far as we know
and David bought every issue off of ebay for that year and came up with nothing

 

[sloane7777]

theres another one not bike week but one that does show girls , I cant remember what it was called and not googling at work!

 

[folieadeuxnola]

he only gave David the name Helen Stenner as far as we know
and David bought every issue off of ebay for that year and came up with nothing

1-2 names seemed not to be used as frequently wish I had access to legal records

Cheryl Ann Wick
Sheryl Ann Wick
Cheryl Kaufman
Shannon Wiley
Sharon Wiley
Kelly Karr
Kelly Lee Carr
Helen Stenner, Stinner,
Catherine Marie

 

[Gardener1850]

1-2 names seemed not to be used as frequently wish I had access to legal records

Cheryl Ann Wick
Sheryl Ann Wick
Cheryl Kaufman
Shannon Wiley
Sharon Wiley
Kelly Karr
Kelly Lee Carr
Helen Stenner, Stinner,
Catherine Marie

Just jumping in again. Thanks for the awesome timeline above and this list. I haven't looked at this case for awhile but something just hit me. Has anyone search for her with the last name spelling of Kerr with an e instead of a? It just occurred to me because there is a Kerr Drug store in North Carolina and my friends from NC pronounce it like "car" instead of the way I would say it (not being from there)- "cur". Maybe that was her real last name but she changed the spelling slightly so it would be pronounced correctly?

 

[folieadeuxnola]

Just jumping in again. Thanks for the awesome timeline above and this list. I haven't looked at this case for awhile but something just hit me. Has anyone search for her with the last name spelling of Kerr with an e instead of a? It just occurred to me because there is a Kerr Drug store in North Carolina and my friends from NC pronounce it like "car" instead of the way I would say it (not being from there)- "cur". Maybe that was her real last name but she changed the spelling slightly so it would be pronounced correctly?

Thanks for bringing that out Gardner, played around with different variances but I will give that one a try. Working Arkansas and Virginia along with NC. Glad you came back over here, did you find anything interesting with the obit search in Fresno know that is cumbersome work .. geez make your eyes crossed reading and reading through obits

 

[Gardener1850]

Thanks for bringing that out Gardner, played around with different variances but I will give that one a try. Working Arkansas and Virginia along with NC. Glad you came back over here, did you find anything interesting with the obit search in Fresno know that is cumbersome work .. geez make your eyes crossed reading and reading through obits

I never found anything in the obits and I'm afraid I gave up. I had another random thought about Gail, however that has been kicking around in my brain. Probably way off base but might as well put it out there for discussion. Do we know 100% for sure those diary writings were written by EDJD? What if she is Gail and she found the pages written about her and took them? Or what if they were written by a roommate or friend of hers and she kept them to remember her friend? Do we have more of the diary?

 

[folieadeuxnola]

:bump: :thanksgiving: :bump:

 

[folieadeuxnola]

The following people have been ruled out as being this decedent:

Elaine Allenbach 1965 Washington
Veronica Brewer 1962 Texas
Janet Brice 1961 Louisiana
Sherry Bynum 1957 Colorado
Tracy Byrd 1968 Pennsylvania
Melinda Creech 1900 Indiana
Linda Davis 1946 Oklahoma
REBECCA DUNN 1958 Nevada
Elizabeth Gill 1962 Missouri
Cynthia Gooding 1958 Florida
DEBORAH GREEN 1961 Florida
Shelley Hoke 1969 Arizona
Wendy Huggy 1965 Florida
Rochelle Ihm 1966 Arizona
Rochelle Ihm 1966 Arizona
Kimberly Kahler 1964 California
Tricia Kellett 1973 Illinois
Kim Leggett 1962 Texas
Jackie Leslie 1961 Arizona
Laurie Lucas 1966 Colorado
Staci Madison 1970 Arkansas
Stacie Madison 1970 Texas
Kelly McGinniss 1965 Washington
Michelle Mulcahy 1961 Florida
Judith ODonnell 1961 New York
Tracy Ramsey 1964 Missouri
Lisa Sexton 1966 Ohio
Amanda Slaughter 1976 Texas
Susan Smalley 1969 Texas
Cathy Smith 1954 Missouri
Pamela Tinsley 1966 Oklahoma
Darlene Webb 1962 Florida
Sherri White 1964 Alaska
Lisa Wilson 1960 Texas

 

[JayFletcher6493]

So this is probably a NO and probably not a close possibility because of the time she went missing but has Christina Roof been brought up?

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/4420/

 

[folieadeuxnola]

So this is probably a NO and probably not a close possibility because of the time she went missing but has Christina Roof been brought up?

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/4420/

JF The time frame is off, however do see the resemblance that most likely caught your eye height and hair no doubt. Do not feel this would be a match, but do not let that stop you keep on looking ... the more eyes out there looking the better the chances of finding a match.

 

[sloane7777]

Just jumping in again. Thanks for the awesome timeline above and this list. I haven't looked at this case for awhile but something just hit me. Has anyone search for her with the last name spelling of Kerr with an e instead of a? It just occurred to me because there is a Kerr Drug store in North Carolina and my friends from NC pronounce it like "car" instead of the way I would say it (not being from there)- "cur". Maybe that was her real last name but she changed the spelling slightly so it would be pronounced correctly?

I would like to know When she started using Kelly Lee Carr....one of the friends of mine she met in 88 or 89 is a man named Kelly Lee Carr and they should be the exact same age that's why I ask ,,,,and have tried to figure it out....its possible she could have met him before too he had a relative who was frequently arrested for the same thing ad EDJD in fact she lived many years in LR! small world and all


oh and note she did not have a accent like a NC girl would , she sounds exactly like me ...non accent with a tiny Texas twang now and then, I would bet Arkansas , OK, LA, or TX was home base based on that alone!