Are the Ramseys involved or not?

[narlacat]

LOL...A Happy meal, and a Diet Coke...right? I agree with you....my stomach would have been in KNOTS....and she also talked about herself almost the whole time. This COULD have been the conversation..."Hmmmm, could you help me load all of the boxes of evidence into the Police car?.....Thanks." "Wow....you know...that is so terrible about what happened to JonBenet....she was my favorite niece". " I can't believe that she was found murdered, and in the basement of her OWN home....bound and strangled, with a garotte!!! Poor JonBenet.....oh, by the way, could you swing by Mickey D's and grab me a Happy Meal and a diet Coke?....I am starving!!!"

Let's not forget the diet coke, chuckle.

PP is wierd, I wonder if it was true that she couldnt have kids?

Does anyone know?

 

[Ames]

Let's not forget the diet coke, chuckle.

PP is wierd, I wonder if it was true that she couldnt have kids?

Does anyone know?

I wonder what she did with the toy from the Happy Meal? I would have loved to have stuck it where the sun don't shine. That's mean...but, I believe that SHE knows ALOT MORE than she is saying....a WHOLE lot more. If she couldn't have kids, and I don't know if she could or not...but, if she couldn't. I am SURE that she was jealous of Patsy...and JonBenet. My sister cannot have kids...and I have two...and she is so jealous of me, she can't even see straight.

 

[Toltec]

Let's not forget the diet coke, chuckle.

PP is wierd, I wonder if it was true that she couldnt have kids?

Does anyone know?

After Patsy was diagnosed with cancer, Pam had a complete hysterectomy. She did not want to gamble with her life.

Pam talked to some reporter about talking to an already dead JonBenet. Supposedly they talked about pageants and stuff like that....oh and oops...Pam forgot to ask JonBenet who killed her!

As Homer Simpson would say..."DOH!"

 

[Ames]

After Patsy was diagnosed with cancer, Pam had a complete hysterectomy. She did not want to gamble with her life.

Pam talked to some reporter about talking to an already dead JonBenet. Supposedly they talked about pageants and stuff like that....oh and oops...Pam forgot to ask JonBenet who killed her!

As Homer Simpson would say..."DOH!"

Sheesh... That's because Pam probably already knows the answer to that question. Why would you talk about pageants with a murdered child? That is just stupid.

 

[JMO8778]

LOL...A Happy meal, and a Diet Coke...right? I agree with you....my stomach would have been in KNOTS....and she also talked about herself almost the whole time. This COULD have been the conversation..."Hmmmm, could you help me load all of the boxes of evidence into the Police car?.....Thanks." "Wow....you know...that is so terrible about what happened to JonBenet....she was my favorite niece". " I can't believe that she was found murdered, and in the basement of her OWN home....bound and strangled, with a garotte!!! Poor JonBenet.....oh, by the way, could you swing by Mickey D's and grab me a Happy Meal and a diet Coke?....I am starving!!!"

yea,and telling the driver she'd made her first million by age 30...and not knowing what to do with all of the money...guess that's why the driver paid for the happy meal???did she forget her money or her Visa debit card with a huge line of credit on it? ..guess it was both.
That and it seems she was too concerned with getting the gloves off to bother thinking of JB.
Why was she having to psych herself up if she was just 'retrieving a few things'? Same reason they let her wear the uniform.

 

[Ames]

yea,and telling the driver she'd made her first million by age 30...and not knowing what to do with all of the money...guess that's why the driver paid for the happy meal???did she forget her money or her Visa debit card with a huge line of credit on it? ..guess it was both.
That and it seems she was too concerned with getting the gloves off to bother thinking of JB.
Why was she having to psych herself up if she was just 'retrieving a few things'? Same reason they let her wear the uniform.

Yeah, that's it...I remember reading that she talked about herself, and made up stories about how flippin' rich she was...and she was a counter girl at a department store. I wouldn't have paid a cent for her stupid Happy Meal and Diet Coke, if I had of been that driver...I would have said..."You are so rich...YOU pay for it". LOL...yeah, she must have forgotten her wallet, because she was in such a rush to get those boxes of evidence the heck away from the Ramsey's house. My question is...did the cops not SEARCH those boxes? If not...what were they? Stupid? Nevermind...don't answer that question. PP raises a few red flags of her own....along with Patsy, and John.
#1 Those many boxes of evidence that she carted out of the house.
#2 That freakish, strange reaction to that stupid glove....like it was a snake or something. What was the deal with THAT?
#3 The Happy Meal attack.
#4 The constant talking about herself and how RICH she is.

The above four things raises a flag to me, when you think that THIS woman's niece had just been found murdered.

 

[JMO8778]

Yeah, that's it...I remember reading that she talked about herself, and made up stories about how flippin' rich she was...and she was a counter girl at a department store. I wouldn't have paid a cent for her stupid Happy Meal and Diet Coke, if I had of been that driver...I would have said..."You are so rich...YOU pay for it". LOL...yeah, she must have forgotten her wallet, because she was in such a rush to get those boxes of evidence the heck away from the Ramsey's house. My question is...did the cops not SEARCH those boxes? If not...what were they? Stupid? Nevermind...don't answer that question. PP raises a few red flags of her own....along with Patsy, and John.
#1 Those many boxes of evidence that she carted out of the house.
#2 That freakish, strange reaction to that stupid glove....like it was a snake or something. What was the deal with THAT?
#3 The Happy Meal attack.
#4 The constant talking about herself and how RICH she is.

The above four things raises a flag to me, when you think that THIS woman's niece had just been found murdered.

maybe the whole family was off kilter..certainly sounds like PR and sis were 2 peas in a pod..and maybe their mom would fit in there,too.

 

[UKGuy]

All three three Ramsey's resident in the house the night JonBenet was killed are all involved, each to a greater or lesser degree.

Each has offered a conflicting account of what occurred that night, each one offers an alibi of sorts for the others.

Also their version of events conflicts with the forensic evidence.

Extended family members are also involved by assisting in the removal of forensic evidence.

Furthermore there are grounds for considering the behaviour of the BPD on the morning of the 911 call, to be not simply unprofessional, but suspicious, since apart from normal procedure not being followed, prime suspects were allowed to behave as if the presumption of innocence meant special status!

Prior to the 911 call the Ramsey's may have made a call to their corporate HQ, requesting legal advice, or they have asked advice from a trusted legal advisor. Its possible the advice recieved caused the relocation of JonBenet's body to the wine-cellar and a revision in her staging?

That is the circle of those involved extends beyond that of the Ramsey's resident that night to establishment figures within the police and legal representatives.

For all the shock and trauma attributed to the Ramsey's the morning JonBenet was declared kidnapped, John Ramsey had his legal representatives out actively employed interviewing and attempting to lock people into statements!

Those that proclaim the innocence of the Ramsey's will say they were simply anticipating any legal action, and were defending themselves.

With the passage of time and a clear pattern of obstruction and distribution of the prosecution case, its less likely that the reason for the lack of progress was that Burke was beneath the age of criminal responsibility, and more likely that it stems from an establishment cover up.

What else would explain such a conspiracy of silence?


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[Nuisanceposter]

maybe the whole family was off kilter..certainly sounds like PR and sis were 2 peas in a pod..and maybe their mom would fit in there,too.

Apparently ones of the little jokes in Patsy's family was that she and her two sisters were "three Ps in a Paugh." I definitely think Nedra, Patsy, and Pam were off kilter in a way that borders on disturbing.

"I need a large Diet Coke! With a lot of ice! Right now! Get these gloves off, get them OFF NOW!"

 

[JMO8778]

Apparently ones of the little jokes in Patsy's family was that she and her two sisters were "three Ps in a Paugh." I definitely think Nedra, Patsy, and Pam were off kilter in a way that borders on disturbing.

It sure sounds that way ! and esp Nedra's comment about JB being just a little bit molested...huh??

"I need a large Diet Coke! With a lot of ice! Right now! Get these gloves off, get them OFF NOW!"

that's a lotta mouth coming from a 'million dollar' makeup counter girl,lol.

 

[Ames]

Apparently ones of the little jokes in Patsy's family was that she and her two sisters were "three Ps in a Paugh." I definitely think Nedra, Patsy, and Pam were off kilter in a way that borders on disturbing.

"I need a large Diet Coke! With a lot of ice! Right now! Get these gloves off, get them OFF NOW!"

Yep, I don't believe that she was rowing with both oars in the water...know what I mean? She does sound "disturbed" for lack of a better word (although..I could come up with alot of them, I just can't post them).

 

[Ames]

It sure sounds that way ! and esp Nedra's comment about JB being just a little bit molested...huh??


that's a lotta mouth coming from a 'million dollar' makeup counter girl,lol.

I wonder if thats like being a "little bit" pregnant? Either you are pregnant or you're not...either JB was molested or she wasn't. Nobody is just "a little bit" molested.....just like no one could be just "a little bit" pregnant.

 

[mooselover]

I am new to websleuths (having been a lurker) and just started posting a about a month ago.

Now I am totally sucked into the JB case again.

And have a little info. Okay I will try to make it short.

One of my oldest friend's moved back to Boulder to live after her divorce. When JB was murdered her sister (whom I also know well) Kept seeing the R house on the news when the murder occurred and thought hmmm looks familiar, but they were born and raised in Boulder and she did not think to much of it. (the house looking familiar). A couple of days later her friend calls and says do you have any idea who that is and she said no. She said that is the house we went to for so and so's baby shower a few years ago. She was like oh my gosh and then it came back to her. She called me (the sis) knowing I am a true crime buff and was following this case closely at that time. She stated it was a hoity toity formal baby shower that Patsy was giving. She was not real comfortable. ( we are just minions, of course). But went for the friend .
NOW it gets better. She almost faints about 3 or 4 years after the murder when detectives come to her home and asks her for the shoes she wore to the baby shower. They must have had a list from someone. She is shocked and does not believe 1) that the detectives are there in her house on this high profile case and 2) she actually remembers after thinking which shoes she wore, but figures they are long gone, but goes and looks in a box in the garage of old shoes of hers, the kids, and husband: low and behold there they are in this box. (The sis is very out doorsy) does not dress up for anything unless it is a wedding. LOL: and they were not dress shoes, more like a hiking boot, or running shoes. I will need to ask her as I have forgotten. The detectives take them and she never hears from them again.
Anyhow it shows they were still trying to to rule out any and everyone but the parents in my opinion.. Bizarre. She is still shocked she was even in the house let alone detectives were at her house a few years later collecting shoes from a baby shower a few years before the murder.. Not sure of the time line, but probably just before the grand jury convened. We do not talk as often as we used to, maybe once a year. But I think I will call and get more clarification. I do know they all think, and there is no doubt in their mind's that the R's are involved.

 

[Ames]

I am new to websleuths (having been a lurker) and just started posting a about a month ago.

Now I am totally sucked into the JB case again.

And have a little info. Okay I will try to make it short.

One of my oldest friend's moved back to Boulder to live after her divorce. When JB was murdered her sister (whom I also know well) Kept seeing the R house on the news when the murder occurred and thought hmmm looks familiar, but they were born and raised in Boulder and she did not think to much of it. (the house looking familiar). A couple of days later her friend calls and says do you have any idea who that is and she said no. She said that is the house we went to for so and so's baby shower a few years ago. She was like oh my gosh and then it came back to her. She called me (the sis) knowing I am a true crime buff and was following this case closely at that time. She stated it was a hoity toity formal baby shower that Patsy was giving. She was not real comfortable. ( we are just minions, of course). But went for the friend .
NOW it gets better. She almost faints about 3 or 4 years after the murder when detectives come to her home and asks her for the shoes she wore to the baby shower. They must have had a list from someone. She is shocked and does not believe 1) that the detectives are there in her house on this high profile case and 2) she actually remembers after thinking which shoes she wore, but figures they are long gone, but goes and looks in a box in the garage of old shoes of hers, the kids, and husband: low and behold there they are in this box. (The sis is very out doorsy) does not dress up for anything unless it is a wedding. LOL: and they were not dress shoes, more like a hiking boot, or running shoes. I will need to ask her as I have forgotten. The detectives take them and she never hears from them again.
Anyhow it shows they were still trying to to rule out any and everyone but the parents in my opinion.. Bizarre. She is still shocked she was even in the house let alone detectives were at her house a few years later collecting shoes from a baby shower a few years before the murder.. Not sure of the time line, but probably just before the grand jury convened. We do not talk as often as we used to, maybe once a year. But I think I will call and get more clarification. I do know they all think, and there is no doubt in their mind's that the R's are involved.

That tells me that the Ramsey's were throwing EVERYONE from their past under the bus. I am sure that when they found the shoe print in the basement...they racked their brains, trying to think of anyone and everyone that had been in that house....so that they could try and pin the blame on someone besides themselves. Like someone at a baby shower...would just wander into that basement...they were and John still is...just grasping at straws. :liar: (the Ramsey's). And btw..thanks for sharing that VERY interesting story.

 

[JMO8778]

That tells me that the Ramsey's were throwing EVERYONE from their past under the bus. I am sure that when they found the shoe print in the basement...they racked their brains, trying to think of anyone and everyone that had been in that house....so that they could try and pin the blame on someone besides themselves. Like someone at a baby shower...would just wander into that basement...they were and John still is...just grasping at straws. :liar: (the Ramsey's). And btw..thanks for sharing that VERY interesting story.

I agree..wow...3-4 yrs b/f..at a baby shower??they must have went back to every single function and threw everyone's name on the bus hit list they could..yea,i agree...why would a baby shower attendent go to the WC? unless PR made up a story about having someone retrieve hidden presents.anything goes it seems.

 

[Ames]

I agree..wow...3-4 yrs b/f..at a baby shower??they must have went back to every single function and threw everyone's name on the bus hit list they could..yea,i agree...why would a baby shower attendent go to the WC? unless PR made up a story about having someone retrieve hidden presents.anything goes it seems.

Knowing her, she probably told the investigators that "maybe" since her house was so fabulous...someone could have just took their own personal tour, by themself. I just don't see someone at a baby shower....just taking off on their own...and rambling around someone else's house. The Ramsey's were throwing stuff against the wall...hoping that something would stick. In other words...grasping at straws....making up lies, trying to find someone to believe them. :liar:

 

[JMO8778]

Knowing her, she probably told the investigators that "maybe" since her house was so fabulous...someone could have just took their own personal tour, by themself. I just don't see someone at a baby shower....just taking off on their own...and rambling around someone else's house. The Ramsey's were throwing stuff against the wall...hoping that something would stick. In other words...grasping at straws....making up lies, trying to find someone to believe them. :liar:

totally,and it seems in every murder case..there are a few ppl out there willing to make a name for themselves,so you never know what might crop up..just like with Jeffrey MacDonald's case here.
And coincidences can and do occur.

 

[Ames]

totally,and it seems in every murder case..there are a few ppl out there willing to make a name for themselves,so you never know what might crop up..just like with Jeffrey MacDonald's case here.
And coincidences can and do occur.

True...and go back and read my flashlight theory on another thread...I think its head blow vs. strangulation....

 

[Toltec]

And some posters complain that the Ramseys were only looked at....

 

[Credence]

WHY WOULD AN INTRUDER FEEL THE NEED TO WIPE PRINTS FROM THE RAMSEY's FLASHLIGHT BATTERIES???

JOHN TOLD LE THAT JONBENET WOULD SCREAM BLOODY MURDER IF AN INTRUDER TRIED TO FEED HER PINEAPPLE...IF SHE OPENED HER MOUTH SHE WOULD SCREAM!

Prints can be "wiped" from batteries by just placing them in a plastic bag. And you are assuming it is a random intruder but it's possible she knew her attacker.