Area Body Found in "Too Strange" Was it Searched?Part # 2

[MADJGNLAW]

Comparing area where remains were found in Dec.

I really would like to know why this area was not searched, Search and Rescue will go into rivers, oceans, swamps and worst conditions. I think the defense may use this fact and run with it. I understand the area was underwater when TES was there, but yet in November when they came back they did not search the area. However, Dominic and Hover claim they did and got video of the area and it was not under water. I know it's not TES responsibility and they were following what LE was advising.
But why didn't anyone take the time to follow up on Kronk's tips?

Why was this area, the area that most said Caylee would possibly be at not be searched over and over with this high profile case? It is known that in cases like these the victim is found within miles of there home. In this case it was blocks away from home. Casey was sending coded messages to someone IMO, she always said Caylee was close to home. That is as close as close gets.

So, my questions are:
Have we found out yet if the area in DC's and JH's video is the same area as being a fact yet?
Why were DC and JH out searching that area in Nov?
Who really sent them out there?
Is someone from the inside working with the defense?
Was this a set up by the defense knowing that the body was there and they left it there and hoped that once found they could use DC and JH testimony to claim the area had been searched prior and the body was not there so someone else must of disposed of the body while Casey was in jail?
I really would like to know if it is the same area or just an area close by?
Does anyone live in the area that can testify that the area was not under water in Nov? Caylee was found right off the sidewalk from the pictures I have seen, so they would not of had to go 200 feet in the woods.
Was it not said she was like 15 feet from the sidewalk?

"Tim said his biggest fear was if she is deceased, they're looking for a tiny little skeleton" . "If it's under the water, we'll drive a 4-wheel drive over it or have a horse step on it and push it in the mud. We have to wait for the right conditions," he added. "When we came back in November, we didn't even search that area," said Miller, saying again that it was underwater.
Article:http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news...ews_conference

 

[Phumi]

Comparing area where remains were found in Dec.

I really would like to know why this area was not searched, Search and Rescue will go into rivers, oceans, swamps and worst conditions. I think the defense may use this fact and run with it. I understand the area was underwater when TES was there, but yet in November when they came back they did not search the area. However, Dominic and Hover claim they did and got video of the area and it was not under water. I know it's not TES responsibility and they were following what LE was advising.
But why didn't anyone take the time to follow up on Kronk's tips? Why was this area, the area that most said Caylee would possibly be at not be searched over and over with this high profile case? It is known that in cases like these the victim is found within miles of there home. In this case it was blocks away from home. Casey was sending coded messages to someone IMO, she always said Caylee was close to home. That is as close as close gets.

So, my questions are:
Have we found out yet if the area in DC's and JH's video is the same area as being a fact yet?
Why were DC and JH out searching that area in Nov?
Who really sent them out there?
Is someone from the inside working with the defense?
Was this a set up by the defense knowing that the body was there and they left it there and hoped that once found they could use DC and JH testimony to claim the area had been searched prior and the body was not there so someone else must of disposed of the body while Casey was in jail?
I really would like to know if it is the same area or just an area close by?
Does anyone live in the area that can testify that the area was not under water in Nov? Caylee was found right off the sidewalk from the pictures I have seen, so they would not of had to go 200 feet in the woods.
Was it not said she was like 15 feet from the sidewalk?

BBM
All very good questions. In terms of RKs tips, we have to remember that there were 1000s of tips and apparently a lazy responding officer who didn't feel like doing a thorough search when he met with Kronk. Subsequent reports by Kronk were probably dismissed because it was believed an officer had already checked the area . In hindsight, it is frustrating to realize how close police were--only to miss what they were looking for. Sadly, this happens a lot. Police believe Polly Klass may have still been alive when they questioned her kidnapper and killer in a dark, deserted area after he was reported for trespassing. Peter Sutcliffe, the Yorkshire ripper, was questioned several times by police, but went on to kill more women before he was eventually arrested. Jessica Lunsford may have been alive in the trailer where her killer lived while police were there questioning the residents.
I am confident that a jury will see the circumstances of this case for what they are. A tragic, missed opportunity that was lost in a sea of tips in a huge investigation.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

I think it is important to remember a woman who lived in the area where the body was found called the police in the summer to complain about a awful smell that was coming from the area. It was later explained away as coming from a dead dog. . . hmmm

Oh my! I missed that info. See, that is what I mean, so many tips about this area and you would think that LE would of done a better job at making sure Caylee was not in the surrounding area. I am not saying that I blame everyone in LE, but blame the man that did come out. I don't understand how there was not any follow up. If we were to put together all the tips that came in for this area and the few words from Casey's mouth then the focus should of stayed in that area and searched inch by inch.

If the 4000 volunteers that came out to search were told to search that area I am confident Caylee would of been found sooner. What about the cadaver dogs? Did LE do a search with the dogs in that area or did they just search the Anthony home and if not why did they not go out a few miles with the dogs? The dogs would of hit on the scent ASAP. I just don't understand?

There are a lot of ifs and I know that is not going to change the fact that Caylee was found 6 months later. But it just does not make any sense to me. They had Casey's cell phone pings that put her in the area as well. Why not after knowing about the fight between Cindy and her on father's day did they not concentrate in that area? This is so frustrating! :behindbar

Poor Caylee...there is not a day that goes by that my heart does not ache for her. What a gift and honor it would of been to have her in our lives.

 

[Balthazar]

I think it is important to remember a woman who lived in the area where the body was found called the police in the summer to complain about a awful smell that was coming from the area. It was later explained away as coming from a dead dog. . . hmmm

Wait a minute...what woman? When did she call and who did she call? Was a dead dog actually recovered from the area?

Anyone know anything about this?

 

[MissJames]

Wait a minute...what woman? When did she call and who did she call? Was a dead dog actually recovered from the area?

Anyone know anything about this?

I remember that. It was one of the first things that happened in the case.LE said it was a dead dog.I assume they saw one.

 

[piratemom]

Here is what I am now thinking. Someone moved the body! But just a little. KC probably dumped Caylee in that general area, somewhere where it was underwater. TM missed it at the time. Then either the creepy Pi's or someone from the anthony family had the body moved just a touch where someone could find it. Conveniently at the time they were in L.A taping Larry King!

This is their new defense. The Zanny nanny is on backburner and they will say KC couldnt have been the one to do it because she was in jail. Then they'll drag out TM and the Pi's to say the body wasn't right there on almost the side of the road the whole 6 months!!!!

JMO

 

[AZlawyer]

Here is what I am now thinking. Someone moved the body! But just a little. KC probably dumped Caylee in that general area, somewhere where it was underwater. TM missed it at the time. Then either the creepy Pi's or someone from the anthony family had the body moved just a touch where someone could find it. Conveniently at the time they were in L.A taping Larry King!

This is their new defense. The Zanny nanny is on backburner and they will say KC couldnt have been the one to do it because she was in jail. Then they'll drag out TM and the Pi's to say the body wasn't right there on almost the side of the road the whole 6 months!!!!

JMO

The problem with this defense strategy ("the body was placed there between November and December 2008") is that the forensics have determined that the body had to have been placed (1) prior to any significant decomposition, i.e., very soon after death, which beyond any doubt had occurred by 7/15/08 when the car was found smelling of decomp with a dead Anthony family member's hair in the trunk, and very very likely occurred prior to 6/30/08 when the car was towed, and (2) no less than 4 months before it was found, based on the root growth (i.e., before about mid-August 2008). And they would also have to explain Roy K's report of seeing a skull in that same place in August 2008.

 

[RR0004]

Here is what I am now thinking. Someone moved the body! But just a little. KC probably dumped Caylee in that general area, somewhere where it was underwater. TM missed it at the time. Then either the creepy Pi's or someone from the anthony family had the body moved just a touch where someone could find it. Conveniently at the time they were in L.A taping Larry King!

This is their new defense. The Zanny nanny is on backburner and they will say KC couldnt have been the one to do it because she was in jail. Then they'll drag out TM and the Pi's to say the body wasn't right there on almost the side of the road the whole 6 months!!!!

JMO

I'd like for DC to state on the witness stand that he knew to go there (which BTW-was NOT where Caylee was found) 'cause the psychic told him to.

I can't wait also to hear why anyone would want to kill Caylee. Casey was the only one with a motive. Remember, this wasn't a "stranger" abduction. She knew the person who took her (ok, we all know it's not true)...but they're gonna have to fit the "why" puzzle piece into their puzzle. Why would anyone kill Caylee?

 

[MADJGNLAW]

I had a gut feeling that today Baez would bring up this issue in regards to TES. It is now being reported that DC searched the area. So, the same questions...do we know for a fact if the area that DC - JH searched was "NOT" the same area that Caylee was found? Has that been released? I keep thinking of the pavers...were there the same amount in DC's/JH's video that was at the crime scene? Has DC and or JH stated that they videoed that exact location? Has DC or JH told LE the real reason they were out there?

Remember, there still are complaints about Baez to the bar that are still pending investigation. One that was filed by JS himself. So, could it be that someone in the family or for the Defense staged the video of the exact location just to crop out the image of where Caylee was at so that when the remains were recovered they would have this video as "Evidence"?

Jose Baez answered Texas EquuSearch by calling attention to footage of Anthony private investigator Dominic Casey searching the area in November. "It's clear it wasn't wet," Baez said.
Article:
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/ent...deal.html#more

 

[Jolynna]

I had a gut feeling that today Baez would bring up this issue in regards to TES. It is now being reported that DC searched the area. So, the same questions...do we know for a fact if the area that DC - JH searched was "NOT" the same area that Caylee was found? Has that been released? I keep thinking of the pavers...were there the same amount in DC's/JH's video that was at the crime scene? Has DC and or JH stated that they videoed that exact location? Has DC or JH told LE the real reason they were out there?

Remember, there still are complaints about Baez to the bar that are still pending investigation. One that was filed by JS himself. So, could it be that someone in the family or for the Defense staged the video of the exact location just to crop out the image of where Caylee was at so that when the remains were recovered they would have this video as "Evidence"?

The video shows where P.I. Casey was. There are pictures of the pavers where Caylee was found.

The video of P.I. Casey won't help KC's defense.

IMO

 

[DaughterAlice]

Hear me out before moving this post or commenting. This has been driving me nutz since she was found. IT IS TOO STRANGE that her body was found less than 1/3 mile away from their house.

Cadaver dogs can hit and actually follow a trail once they do. RE: Scott Peterson for example. They actually followed from the Petersons' driveway, all the way to the Interstate.

Ok now there were two sets of dogs that hit. Also there were more dogs that were brought in to search, many searches done by very qualified people.
Little bones are hard to find in deeply wooded areas. A BLACK GARBAGE BAG ISN'T that hard to see.

She actually was preserved and not discarded as many of us thought, thus the protection of the plastic bag. The alligators didn't get her etc etc.
The A's were conveniently out of town when she was found, Lee hasn't shown his face.

Chickasaw Trail is a trail kids and others travel !! SHE WASN'T BURIED, SHE WAS IN PLAIN SIGHT WHERE A FENCE HAD BEEN ERECTED EVEN !!

GA said this needs to STOP !! He's been trying to tell LE in his own way, without CA interferring.

Obstruction charges being bantered about, directly from the Sheriff. What does this leave to the imagination?? Not too much when you put it all together.

(BBM)

I respectfully disagree. I can't vouch for the dogs, I have no clue why they couldn't follow the scent to that location. However, there's nothing "plain sight" at all about where she was found. In fact, I think a black trashbag would be even harder to see than a little body (poor Caylee . . .). In fact I would argue that the location makes perfect sense!

I live here in Orlando. The woods are thick and twisted with vegetation. A few years ago, hurricane Charlie cleared a lot of foliage behind our house; I was SHOCKED to see how close the neighbors lived to us - the thickness of the vegetation completely hid them from our view. Now 4 yrs later (almost to the day), it's once again so thick & gnarled that I wouldn't want to walk so much as 2 feet in. I might could smell a body back there, but I certainly wouldn't see it.

If KC is responsible for the murder and/or hiding the body, she would have not wanted to go very far. In fact, it might have even felt to her (or him) that she'd gone much further than she really had. It's a familiar area to her as well. It makes total sense to me - as much "sense" as any of this crazyness can have!!

Hope you don't mind my friendly debate. I still respect & value your opinion!

 

[Jolynna]

It is Dr. G's opinion that the way Caylee was found is consistent with Caylee being placed on Suburban shortly after the last time Caylee was seen. (http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0619/19801946.pdf)

According to KC's defense's forensic expert, Dr. Kobilinski, it only takes two weeks for a body to skeletonize in a Florida swamp. (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19795725/detail.html)

The fact that Caylee's vertabrae were found together in a cluster but well away from Caylee's skull shows that animals dragged Caylee's trunk off as a section while there was still SOFT TISSUE holding the bones together and before skeletonization. (http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0619/19801946.pdf)

A combination of animals, insects and Florida's climate would have made short work of Caylee's remains according to KC's own defense expert. There would not have been any decomposition for joggers or neighborhood families to smell by the time anyone outside of KC knew Caylee was missing. After an entire month of being exposed to the elements Caylee would have been bones. Animals could not have drug an entire entire body unit after skeletonization because the bones would not have been held together by flesh.

 

[AZlawyer]

It is Dr. G's opinion that the way Caylee was found is consistent with Caylee being placed on Suburban shortly after the last time Caylee was seen. (http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0619/19801946.pdf)

According to KC's defense's forensic expert, Dr. Kobilinski, it only takes two weeks for a body to skeletonize in a Florida swamp. (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19795725/detail.html)

The fact that Caylee's vertabrae were found together in a cluster but well away from Caylee's skull shows that animals dragged Caylee's torso off as a section while there was still SOFT TISSUE holding the bones together and before skeletonization. (http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0619/19801946.pdf)

A combination of animals, insects and Florida's climate would have made short work of Caylee's remains. There would not have been any decomposition for joggers or neighborhood families to smell by the time anyone even knew Caylee was missing.

A small child's body is harder for a cadaver dog to find than an adult body. Wind direction and a multitude of other factors also make a difference. It is VERY possible that a cadaver dog could have been close to the body location and missed Caylee. The dog that was with the psychic was not certified.

I don't see a jury buying into the defense theory that Caylee was left on Suburban AFTER Casey was in jail. What person outside of the Anthony family had ACCESS to the laundry bag from their home?

The root growth through the bones also shows that the body was there at least by mid-August. IMO the only way that this defense theory would be consistent with the autopsy reports is if Caylee was alive until after Casey went to jail (the first time, i.e., 7/15/08-8/21/08) and was killed and her body placed there very soon after she was killed, while Casey was still in jail (i.e., before 8/21/08).

BUT of course, there is pretty good evidence that Caylee was not alive on 7/15/08. For starters, no one had seen her for a month. Second, Casey's car smelled of a dead body, and had a hair in the trunk that seemed to be from a dead member of her family, and no members of the family were unaccounted for other than Caylee.

I can't figure out any way that the defense can make the forensics fit with Caylee's body being left there after November when TES searched near that area--which seems to be their plan. If I were in their situation (i.e., desperate and lacking a moral compass), I would be (1) attacking the car forensics in any way possible, and (2) spinning a story that Casey was right--Caylee would have been returned alive on her birthday if only Cindy the Interfering B**** hadn't called 911; Caylee was killed on or around her birthday and left on Suburban shortly after that while Casey was in jail (hence the 4 months of root growth and Caylee's bone length and tooth development being more consistent with a 3-year-old than a child 2 months younger than that). But they appear to be throwing that option out the window.

 

[CentralFLMama]

I have been to the site. For one thing, it dips down. With all that underbrush and the dip, there is no way a bag would have been seen from the road. No way. And for what its worth, I happened to go there after a rainy week in June and the area was underwater, and that was less rain than we got with Faye.

 

[kaRN]

The meter reader's three calls were before the hurricane. He sees a bag, he sees something "round and white that looks like it doesn't belong" but he doesn't smell a thing. And the area is high and dry at that time, not covered with water.

The officers who responded to his calls don't smell a thing.

The cadaver dogs don't smell a thing when they go through the woods.

I don't know that a person is capable of smelling decomp from underwater, but I know dogs are.

It just strikes me as very "hinky." I think the defense is going to argue that the body was NOT IN THE WOODS in August-----so whoever put it there, it can't have been Casey.



THANK YOU!! I always warn everyone to take Nancy Grace with a huge grain of salt, and it's HER who said the bomb was found close to the body and it's ME who just took her word for it! UGGGGHHHHHHHH.

In regards to children playing in the area, it would seem to me that this particular part of the woods was too overgrown and swampy to be much of a play area. But there is a fence in the background of the pictures of the crime scene, and it appears to be the fenced in backyard of a home. Wouldn't they have smelled anything? I truly believe that if Caylee died soon after Father's Day (and I think she did) then there would still have been an odor in the middle of August when the meter reader made his persistant calls.




I know what you mean: WHAT ELSE can possibly happen??? If that PI did a decent job of taping and no bag/body is seen (or smelled) then it really, really works in the defense's favor. It would be so important if they could get the jury to believe the body was not there at the time of the taping, nor at the time the meter reader made his calls...........if they can get the jury to believe that, it's a small hop to convincing them that if the body was dumped later, then CASEY COULD NOT have done it.

I just don't know what to think.

Above bolded by me. Keep on thinking just like you do!! Wow your theories sure rang true today.:clap:
But I'm still hopeful. Just because the body was moved in August doesn't mean the baby was killed in August. Signs of decomposition were found in mid July, not in TL's car but Caseys. If any one moved the body IMO, it was an Anthony or someone acting on their behalf which only serves to make their daughter look guiltier in court. Lee is strangely absent and the GP's ate crab puffs and LP was providing personal security to the family as far as George knows.
George bought a gun and had it in his trunk when KC got home. He was nailed for it and lucky her bond wasn't revoked right then and there. Ex cop? He was surrounded by burly 'security' types but needed a gun himself?
Casey isn't on trial for moving a body anyway. Murdering her baby and dumping her, leaving disposal of the remains to someone else doesn't make it less a pre-meditated murder of a child. She's going down IMO and knows it but I'd love to hear what you've been thinking lately after reading your post LOL!

 

[Just Jayla]

I had a gut feeling that today Baez would bring up this issue in regards to TES. It is now being reported that DC searched the area. So, the same questions...do we know for a fact if the area that DC - JH searched was "NOT" the same area that Caylee was found? Has that been released? I keep thinking of the pavers...were there the same amount in DC's/JH's video that was at the crime scene? Has DC and or JH stated that they videoed that exact location? Has DC or JH told LE the real reason they were out there?

Remember, there still are complaints about Baez to the bar that are still pending investigation. One that was filed by JS himself. So, could it be that someone in the family or for the Defense staged the video of the exact location just to crop out the image of where Caylee was at so that when the remains were recovered they would have this video as "Evidence"?

I don't think TES said it was too wet in November, I think they said it was too wet in the late summer, shortly after Faye.
As I recall, in November, TES was ready to return to Orlando and to go in, but CA did not want their help, or argued with them....
DC may have gone in November with dry ground, but TES did not even go to Suburban in November-So for JB to rely on what DC said about the ground in November would have no bearing on TES, correct?

Here is the link regarding TES:

http://www.wesh.com/news/17415099/detail.html

 

[Curious Me]

Ah thank you for that picture and news tidbit. I feel having Dr. G on this is Big Time !!

Can someone bring my original post where I started this thread over. I don't know how and if it's cut and paste, then I'm technically devoid. lol TIA

TES must have been in the area in September because I found this Sentinel picture from September that says:

Diane Latham and Jon Hansen bushwack in today's search for Caylee Anthony conducted by EquuSearch covering an area near the Anthony home off Suburban Way.

BTW I like to see this - Dr G is on the scene! (with Detective Allen). Somehow I doubt the defense "big guns" intimidate her at all :clap:

Thank You for the pic of the searchers. Wow, the vegetation there in Florida is thick! I had to be reminded what it was like for the searchers. It's understandable they did not find the body.

I don't think the body was moved. I believe it was quickly dumped there on June 18th, 2008. The experts in Florida botany will be able to determine that the body was never moved.

Besides, this is a DP case concerning WHO killed Caylee Marie Anthony. The only reasonable doubt defense is putting out there is that Casey must have had help meaning she's still guilty as sin. What other delusional diversions will they come up with.

 

[Leila]

Wait a minute...what woman? When did she call and who did she call? Was a dead dog actually recovered from the area?

Anyone know anything about this?

I remember this well and have mentioned it before on several threads. There was an odor and someone called it in to LE.

The day that Caylee's remains were found, the media was there at the scene. They interviewed a young boy/man, probably in his late teens. He said that there was an odor and a neighbor called it in to LE. He was there when the police arrived and checked for the source of the odor.

It was a dead animal (don't know if it was a dog or wild animal), found just a few feet in from the pavement. It did smell, and the police said this was the source of the odor. Any lingering odor was attributed to the dead animal. So if anyone said, "hey, what's that smell", the response was, "a dead dog (or wild animal) was found just off the street a week ago." The odor eventually went away and no one gave it further thought.

If it hadn't been for finding that dead animal and attributing the source of the odor to it, LE might have persued the matter further back in June-July. They probably would have gotten more LE personnel involved and done a more thorough search then and found Caylee.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

I don't think TES said it was too wet in November, I think they said it was too wet in the late summer, shortly after Faye.
As I recall, in November, TES was ready to return to Orlando and to go in, but CA did not want their help, or argued with them....
DC may have gone in November with dry ground, but TES did not even go to Suburban in November-So for JB to rely on what DC said about the ground in November would have no bearing on TES, correct?

Here is the link regarding TES:

http://www.wesh.com/news/17415099/detail.html

This is from News 13. TES did state they didn't go in Nov and turned photos over showing the area was under water. Now, my question is the JW lady that claims she has photos of the area and claims she was a searcher, and DC. Do I believe the JW, well from what I have read about her it makes me doubt her. Now, the tape I saw from Hoover showed the area was dry, so it would all come down to having the pictures analyzed to see if they have not been tampered with, if it's the same area, and what reason did JW, DC, and JH have to make claims of the area being dry. Who sent them there is another question.

"snip"
NeJame argues that none of the volunteers searched the area where Caylee Anthony's remains were found. The photos NeJame released Thursday showed the area where the remains were found were under water at the time of the search, on Nov. 7.
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/8/20/nejame_miller_reveal_all_in_anthony_case.html

 

[shotzie]

If the D team is basing pictures on JW..I think they are blowing smoke..This lady to me doesn't have a full deck..this will interesting..Just more BS from the Defense team.