Arizona girl, 2, left in car by father on 109-degree day and is found dead #2

[vinsrygg]

The details haven’t been reported on yet

 

[Bounceycat]

I can't open the link in the UK, can someone please summarise what the plea deal was that he rejected?

The KVOA link had this:

The plea would have amended the first degree murder and child abuse charges against him to a count of second degree murder.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

I wonder what sentence he was offered with the plea?

If this goes to trial I can't imagine most jury members being sympathetic, but, especially if they aren't told his history (and IMO it won't be allowed into the trial), all it would take is one juror...

 

[vinsrygg]

The Arizona Star says the plea deal was for him to serve 10-25 years. Looks like the prosecutor is not playing.

 

[Bounceycat]

The Arizona Star says the plea deal was for him to serve 10-25 years. Looks like the prosecutor is not playing.

Echoes of Sarah Boone *crossing fingers*

 

[MsMarple]

I wonder what sentence he was offered with the plea?

If this goes to trial I can't imagine most jury members being sympathetic, but, especially if they aren't told his history (and IMO it won't be allowed into the trial), all it would take is one juror...

According to this report the sentence would have been 10 to 25 years. Also in the article:

He also faces a second count, Class Two Dangerous Crime Against Children, which carries a sentence between 10 to 24 years; the presumptive sentence is 17 years.

If convicted of first-degree murder, he could spend the rest of his life in prison. The judge says both would be "flat-time" sentences, meaning Scholtes would serve these sentences, if convicted, without the possibility of parole or other forms of early release.

Father charged in the hot car death of his daughter rejects plea deal

A Marana father accused of leaving his two-year-old daughter in a hot car, leading to her death, has rejected a plea deal and will now face trial on a first-degree murder charge.

www.kgun9.com

 

[NicoleInVa]

He was offered second degree murder with 10-25 years in jail according to this article.

Father charged in the hot car death of his daughter rejects plea deal

A Marana father accused of leaving his two-year-old daughter in a hot car, leading to her death, has rejected a plea deal and will now face trial on a first-degree murder charge.

www.kgun9.com

 

[LittleSeaTree]

According to this report the sentence would have been 10 to 25 years. Also in the article:

He also faces a second count, Class Two Dangerous Crime Against Children, which carries a sentence between 10 to 24 years; the presumptive sentence is 17 years.

If convicted of first-degree murder, he could spend the rest of his life in prison. The judge says both would be "flat-time" sentences, meaning Scholtes would serve these sentences, if convicted, without the possibility of parole or other forms of early release.

Father charged in the hot car death of his daughter rejects plea deal

A Marana father accused of leaving his two-year-old daughter in a hot car, leading to her death, has rejected a plea deal and will now face trial on a first-degree murder charge.

www.kgun9.com

Wowwwww, look at him….I’m sitting here muttering ‘nice try, buddy…’

 

[Charlot123]

I don't know all of the details of this case and agree you very well may be right. Either way, my heart goes out to the children's grandparents, too. It would be so difficult to grieve while directly supporting your children and grandchildren at the same time. And to end up on video on the Internet.

I assume that the MIL or mother was not fully aware of the scope of the problems. Drunk driving, stealing liquor from the store, chronically using a car as a free nanny, culminating in gaming and watching sites when the child was dying outside.

 

[NicoleInVa]

I assume that the MIL or mother was not fully aware of the scope of the problems. Drunk driving, stealing liquor from the store, chronically using a car as a free nanny, culminating in gaming and watching sites when the child was dying outside.

Text messages between the two show she did know. Repeatedly told him to stop but he never did. I don’t know about knowing about the beer thefts but for sure knew he left the kids in the car. He also has an older daughter that lived with them for a period of time. She was finally taken away because of behaviors from both of them - including leaving her in the car. Luckily she was older and could get herself out.

 

[Charlot123]

I think he was an ignorant father leaving a child in a car by herself for even a couple of minutes!

The problem is in him doing it habitually and knowingly.

“Forgotten baby syndrome” is a known situation, but usually such tragic events happen accidentally. Probably we are dealing with a certain subtype of ADHD with strong executive dysfunction, a drastic change in the routine for that day, having multiple children, lack of sleep. In most cases, it is less about guilt and more about tragedy for the parent as well.

Child vehicular heat stroke deaths - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

This case is different from most because in contrast to cases of overwhelmed parents, trying to balance works and families, basically, a “responsible but tired” caregivers, this case is one of an irresponsible habitual offender.

 

[mickey2942]

The grand jury result is what made it impossible for really any plea deal that does not include jail. But, CS wants to play it out.

I see this going for the long haul, as long as someone keeps paying the bills. Waiting for attorney changes, extensions, change of venue, more delay tactics.

 

[Charlot123]

Text messages between the two show she did know. Repeatedly told him to stop but he never did. I don’t know about knowing about the beer thefts but for sure knew he left the kids in the car. He also has an older daughter that lived with them for a period of time. She was finally taken away because of behaviors from both of them - including leaving her in the car. Luckily she was older and could get herself out.

Yes, but you are describing Erica, his wife. The texts were between the two of them. I wonder if Erica’s mother or MIL knew. It is a very scary behavior.

 

[CityKid]

Wouldn't surprise me if the defendant just let it string out. Why take a plea that has mandatory jail? May as well stay free for as long as possible. He can string it out until the day of trial.

There was someone else who did that recently, it was the "Cesspool Socialite". Almost to the day of trial, she finally took the plea.

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I just found this case and I'm trying to catch up. MOO I hope CS goes to trial because I think the jury won't look too favorably on what the other children have said about him. (As a side note, Barbara lived a block away from me and I used to see her around the neighborhood. My neighbors and I were livid that her killer got such a short sentence on a plea deal.)

 

[Herat]

He is gambling on a not-guilty verdict when he rejected the 2nd degree plea deal? Or can the judge reduce the charges further in this trial?

Wow. That is a lot of hubris. Clearly, he has no qualms about spending all the remaining money the family has and making this trial the focus of the other two daughter's life.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised about his selfishness.

 

[CityKid]

I just found this case and I'm trying to catch up. MOO I hope CS goes to trial because I think the jury won't look too favorably on what the other children have said about him. (As a side note, Barbara lived a block away from me and I used to see her around the neighborhood. My neighbors and I were livid that her killer got such a short sentence on a plea deal.)

And... as I was catching up, it seems I got my wish! CS is a menace to society MOO

 

[vinsrygg]

And... as I was catching up, it seems I got my wish! CS is a menace to society MOO

It’s CityKid’s world, we’re just living in it

 

[mickey2942]

@CityKid sorry about Barbara, she seemed like an amazing woman. I think her killer should have been given 30 years. 8 years was nothing.

 

[Charlot123]

@CityKid sorry about Barbara, she seemed like an amazing woman. I think her killer should have been given 30 years. 8 years was nothing.

I am sorry as well. Both situations reflects some moral responsibility of parents and partners. If there are no consequences for continuous problem behavior, be it gaming, drinking or drunk driving, or mixing alcohol and drugs and raising scandals in the complex, people don’t learn and things get worse. In that woman’s case, her parents, partner or inhabitants of the complex could have created consequences a while ago, but no one did and now she is in jail. Even 8 years are going to change her life. With S, one wishes that the parents, the wife, maybe the neighbors or even stores he stole liquor from gave him some consequences sooner. 15-25 years in jail and a dead child.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

MOO I hope CS goes to trial because I think the jury won't look too favorably on what the other children have said about him.

His attorneys will try to get as much of that repressed as possible, though. Still he will be convicted of something, IMO.