Armchair Psych Profile and JH's Background

[February]

Her grade? She made the honor roll. :juggle:

but i am a fair poster so here is just what i found that the school is also HIPAA compliant

http://www.ucdenver.edu/academics/research/AboutUs/regcomp/hipaa/Pages/HIPAA.aspx

HIPAA impacts the Anschutz Medical Campus in various ways. Patient records (including shadow records), human subjects research records, and marketing demographics that contain health information are a few examples of the ways in which we fall under HIPAA’s regulation. Responsibility for HIPAA compliance is being coordinated by the Office of Regulatory Compliance under the direction of Interim Directory of Regulatory Compliance, Alison D. Lakin.

http://www.ucdenver.edu/about/departments/ITS/EnterpriseComputing/Pages/EmailEncrypted.aspx


It is just that human subject research records are quite.... intimidating..

 

[Liz]

Campus police, whose officers participate in the Behavioral Evaluation and Threat Assessment team, have said they had no contact with Holmes. Other team members reached in recent days declined to discuss Holmes.

University Chancellor Don Elliman told reporters this week that to his knowledge, “We did everything we should have done in this case.”

Michael Carrigan, chairman of the University of Colorado regents, said he couldn’t comment on Holmes in particular and said he didn’t know what might have brought him to the attention of the BETA team.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...e-massacre/2012/07/27/gJQAsTwHEX_story_1.html

Third paragraph .... is this an admission that JH was brought to the attention of BETA? On not?

hmmm ....

 

[winterrose]

Before everyone gets too excited that defendant was "seeing" psychiatrist, remember that others in similar programs have posted this is a requirement in that kind of program.

Also, keep in mind said psychiatrist may be a professor.

This does not mean the defendant told the psychiatrist anything, much less displayed anything that would bring to mind any issues.

This is what I was wondering when I heard, if he was seeing her and it was required as part of his class , and for how long? If it wasn't required, was this part of his plan for getting off, just like the notebook he possibly sent for the defense to get off? His months of planning was very detailed and in it I could believe this was part of it. Now his lawyers can say he can't get a fair trial because of a notebook being leaked and he can possibly get a mistrial. I think he's smarter than what some are giving him credit for, you know.

If he was just using her for his murdering plan, then she's another victim. Everyone will wonder till later, what did she know, and if she was told anything, why didn't she come forward. I also believe if there was an indication of him being a threat in the school, he wouldn't have been allowed to stay, she would have made sure of it.

 

[February]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...e-massacre/2012/07/27/gJQAsTwHEX_story_1.html

Third paragraph .... is this an admission that JH was brought to the attention of BETA? On not?

hmmm ....

“We don’t really grade this exam pass-fail,” Ribera said. “Either we tell the student ‘No problem,’ or we say, ‘We notice that there were deficiencies in this area.’ Then the chair of the graduate training committee talks to the student and together they come up with a plan to address that deficiency.”


Per your link, it looks like it is conflicting with this : if they fail that exam , they are subject to immediate dismissal

University of Colorado Denver (Downtown and AMC campuses)
Graduate School Rules and Policies (version 2.11 minor update 11/17/10)

This document outlines uniform rules, standards, and procedures for all graduate programs that are under the auspices of the Graduate School. Individual graduate programs, departments, schools or colleges may adopt more, but not less, stringent policies and/or requirements to those outlined in this document and should inform the Graduate School of such requirements.

[...]

(ii) Doctoral Degree Examinations ( pdf, p 26 )

a. Preliminary Examination

Each program is responsible for ensuring that students are qualified for doctoral study by successfully passing a preliminary examination. Graduate programs that require students have a Master’s degree before they enter their Ph.D. program may exempt the student from taking a preliminary examination. The preliminary examination must occur within three semesters of completing the required courses as defined by the particular graduate program. The content and format of the preliminary examination are determined by the individual graduate program. The results (Pass/Fail) of the preliminary examination must be reported to the Graduate School. A student who fails the examination is subject to immediate dismissal from the Graduate School upon the recommendation of the program and concurrence of the Dean. At the program's discretion, a student who fails the examination may retake it.​

ETA ~ from reading through their literature, it appears the orals can be taken at any time, *between* semesters. In this light, the June 7th date appears to make sense.

and i am still keeping to this link too : who is this classmate?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443295404577543400613112424.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
When classes ended in May, the students were required to pass a first-year test referred to as the "prelims." The school said students had to stand before three professors and answer questions.

Shortly after the tests were done, the classmate said, a neuroscience administrator took the group for drinks to tell them Mr. Holmes had dropped out. The administrator said she received a short resignation email from Mr. Holmes that didn't explain why

 

[mysticskye]

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/holmes-colorado-shooting-insanity/2012/07/25/id/446570

"Tonight you’re all going to be a part of a social experiment… At midnight I blow One of his main characteristics is that he is highly manipulative. We may expect Holmes to continually reinvent himself in attempting to mastermind the system as he did at his first court appearance by feigning a dazed disassociation from reality. This is already evident in his disingenuous facial expressions and the contrived stare of 20 to 30 seconds. That is not in accord with proven durations of eye movements and emotions that measure between 5 and 10 seconds maximum, as body language expert Renate Mousseux has noted.

Of particular relevance for the coming period is the incarceration of the Joker in Arkham Asylum, the fictional mental hospital that holds many of the villains in the lore of Batman. The Joker simulates insanity so as to evade the death penalty. In the same vein, we may also expect that some mental health practitioners will advocate leniency based on deleterious circumstances in Holmes' childhood. After all, the Joker gained sympathy in this manner from the psychiatrist Harleen Quinzel, who treated him at the asylum and succumbed to his manipulation. (Quinzel eventually becomes the villainess Harley Quinn after she herself goes “insane.”)

It is the total absence of empathy, of any emotional affinity to another human being, that enables psychopaths like Holmes to massacre innocent men, women, and children. The criminal psychopath experiments with humans as if they were insects or the hummingbirds whose flight muscles Holmes studied as an intern at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies in La Jolla.

VERY GOOD ARTICLE!!

 

[Curious Me]

"The Arapahoe County District Attorney's office, representing the state, filed an objection to the motion and asked that it be denied. The DA said that the motion by Holmes's attorneys was "based on certain factual assumptions that are not established by evidence and that the People believe are of dubious validity, if not outright incorrect."

"Holmes is expected to make his second court appearance on Monday where he will be formally charged for his alleged crimes."


http://abcnews.go.com/US/colorado-shooting-suspect-james-holmes-psychiatrist/story?id=16872374

 

[joe2857]

Per your link, it looks like it is conflicting with this : if they fail that exam , they are subject to immediate dismissal

I don't see this as a contradiction. I think the difference between what the university policy says (pass/fail, immediate dismissal) and what the administrator in the article is quoted as saying is the difference between what the university CAN do in theory and what it ACTUALLY tends to do in practice. For example, a police officer CAN ticket you for driving 4 or 5 mph over the speed limit, but in reality, the officer is likely to just give you a warning.

Yes, the university reserves the right to immediately dismiss a student for failing the preliminary exam (they CAN do that if they choose to), but usually, the university doesn't actually fail the student. Instead, they come up with a remedial plan to try to address the deficiencies.

This was my experience when I was a PhD student (although admittedly I wasn't in neuroscience). Although the university handbook was full of scary language about how you would be dismissed for failing your prelims, the reality is that students almost never failed and were dismissed. Students who had problems were usually given a "second chance" to improve. Generally, the university wants every PhD student to succeed, since they've invested a lot of time and money in each student. This has also been my experience at the university where I now teach.

Again, this is just my opinion, but it's based on some personal experience.

 

[Kimster]

JBean is unavailable for a bit and I was asked to reopen this thread. I'm not sure what the issue was so let's start with a clean slate.

This is about "armchair psychology". Read the first post on the topic and let's start fresh. :tyou:

We don't know a lot about JH's psych profile but we can put some of the pieces together here.

be civil to each other please. None of us know what the truth is at this point so stick to the facts and any speculation should be based on those facts.

Do not make accusations towards the family..at all. We do not know the dynamics. If this should change the rule will change with it.

Thanks.

 

[~n/t~]

What makes them do it? Making sense of mass murderers

Follow the trial of James Holmes – charged with killing 12 people at a Batman screening in Colorado – and inevitable questions come up. What makes a seemingly ‘normal’ young man turn violent? Was he ill? Or born bad?

And does knowing what makes killers kill do anything to prevent murder? Globe columnist Margaret Wente leads a discussion with U.S. author and criminologist James Fox and Canadian lawyer and journalist Paula Todd, who has just published a book about Karla Homolka, about making sense of senseless tragedy.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...aking-sense-of-mass-murderers/article4446353/

 

[songline]

JBean is unavailable for a bit and I was asked to reopen this thread. I'm not sure what the issue was so let's start with a clean slate.

This is about "armchair psychology". Read the first post on the topic and let's start fresh. :tyou:

:gomods: THANK YOU KIMSTER

Good morning threaad we missed you.....

 

[Liz]

JBean is unavailable for a bit and I was asked to reopen this thread. I'm not sure what the issue was so let's start with a clean slate.

This is about "armchair psychology". Read the first post on the topic and let's start fresh.

:gthanks:

:yourock:

 

[Kimster]

Be sure to

STAY
ON
TOPIC

:yes:

 

[songline]

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/holmes-colorado-shooting-insanity/2012/07/25/id/446570







VERY GOOD ARTICLE!!

I will say he is ill and evil too. not all MI people are evil. But this one is...

IMO not everyone can see that they are functional even while they are unraveling,
that they are secretive, manipulative, evasive etc…. and do know right from wrong.
ALSO: They have no control once they are obsessing.
And we can go on and on....

So yes this guy needs to stay under lock and Key. Yes he is a monster.
NO I do not buy this article that JH was not MI which the writer is suggesting.

 

[Liz]

I'm pretty sure many of you don't check the Media Links thread (but you should, cuz you might miss something good, like this post):

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Media Links **LIST ONLY** NO DISCUSSION


Judging by what the chairman of the University regents said, it sure seems as though JH was brought to the attention of that BETA team.

University Chancellor Don Elliman told reporters this week that to his knowledge, “We did everything we should have done in this case.”

Michael Carrigan, chairman of the University of Colorado regents, said he couldn’t comment on Holmes in particular and said he didn’t know what might have brought him to the attention of the BETA team.

What might any of you surmise the reason(s) for that might have been?

 

[21merc7]

I'm pretty sure many of you don't check the Media Links thread (but you should, cuz you might miss something good, like this post):

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Media Links **LIST ONLY** NO DISCUSSION


Judging by what the chairman of the University regents said, it sure seems as though JH was brought to the attention of that BETA team.



What might any of you surmise the reason(s) for that might have been?

The way I am still reading it is that there was nothing about JH that would have alerted anyone about anything. JMO, maybe I need more caffeine, but that is the way I understood it the first time I saw it too.

 

[~n/t~]

The way I am still reading it is that there was nothing about JH that would have alerted anyone about anything. JMO, maybe I need more caffeine, but that is the way I understood it the first time I saw it too.

It says he WAS brought to the attention of the BETA team so something must have happened (??)

 

[songline]

It says he WAS brought to the attention of the BETA team so something must have happened (??)

Maybe during the oral test he was discovered...

I was always asking I wonder what happened at that oral test….

They do not like it when they are becoming transparent,
or that someone knows something they want to keep hiding.

 

[Liz]

The way I am still reading it is that there was nothing about JH that would have alerted anyone about anything. JMO, maybe I need more caffeine, but that is the way I understood it the first time I saw it too.

I think I might need coffee more than you, since I've had none yet. lol And no sleep yet, either.

When I read the article before posting it on 7/27, I took it to mean that he had been referred to the BETA, while stipulating the campus police had not had any contact with JH.

The way the chancellor stated, "“We did everything we should have done in this case.”, seems like they could be implying that they (BETA) did get involved with JH. (But in hindsight, maybe he meant as far as FERPA and HIPAA.)

Then when Michael Carrigan, chairman of the University of Colorado regents, said he couldn’t comment on Holmes in particular and said "he didn’t know what might have brought him to the attention of the BETA team", I took that to mean that JH had been brought to the attention of the team.

But you could very well be right. I don't know.

I hope so more people will weigh in with their 'take' on this.

 

[21merc7]

Campus police, whose officers participate in the Behavioral Evaluation and Threat Assessment team, have said they had no contact with Holmes. Other team members reached in recent days declined to discuss Holmes.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ore-massacre/2012/07/27/gJQAsTwHEX_story.html

I dunno'.

 

[songline]

What is BETA?
Behavioral Evaluation and Threat Assessment Team


http://www.ucdenver.edu/life/services/BETA/Pages/default.aspx

If they reported to BETA
SCHOOL KNEW SOMETHING...
but there is no way they can ever know which MI person can turn violent.