Arnold Schwarzenegger & Maria S. separate** Lovechild revealed**

  • #141
I was in the grocery store the other day when the story broke that Maria was taking Arnold for 500 million. I was at the cashier, who was a middle aged man, while an elderly man was behind me. The cashier started the conversation saying "I hope Maria takes him for everything". I just smiled and paid. The man behind me said "yeah, anyone that would cheat on their wife should be wiped out!". The cashier agree with him.

I thought of what a peculiar position I was in! I'm a woman and I didn't agree at all!

Look, I don't approve of cheating...I think it's cowardly and needlessly inflicts emotional harm for no reason than the jerk cheating wants their cake and eat it too. If you're so far gone you're LOOKING to have sex with someone else, you need to split! You don't have to divorce but separate and live the honest life - don't destroy families for sexual gratification!

That being said, I couldn't help but think that Maria's answer - if it really is to take him for everything - is wrong. Yeah, she's embarassed and mad but a rich woman scooping up money to salve her public embarassment is just as morally bankrupt as having sex with other people when you're committed to someone else.

I do understand your points and agree that the rationale should not be revenge or spite. But consider that she probably spent a FORTUNE to maintain her life with him, along with giving UP a fortune in potential earned income to live a life as Mrs Arnold. His acts are egegious enough for me to believe that he committed fraud against Maria. She deserves every dime back she invested . And then some for punitive damages.

I might not feel this way had he exercised just a tad bit of respect by not sleeping with an employee right under her and the children's noses in her own bed for an extended time period while lying to her and using her name and their marriage to further HIS career that never would have left Tinseltown without her.
 
  • #142
I think what he did was outright deplorable . His kids were in the house too ! Bad enough he was a cheater but in the same house as his own children ..that is just too much !
 
  • #143
I do understand your points and agree that the rationale should not be revenge or spite. But consider that she probably spent a FORTUNE to maintain her life with him, along with giving UP a fortune in potential earned income to live a life as Mrs Arnold. His acts are egegious enough for me to believe that he committed fraud against Maria. She deserves every dime back she invested . And then some for punitive damages.

I might not feel this way had he exercised just a tad bit of respect by not sleeping with an employee right under her and the children's noses in her own bed for an extended time period while lying to her and using her name and their marriage to further HIS career that never would have left Tinseltown without her.

I don't think cheating means you forfeit your life much less your entire fortune. That's just going way too far.
 
  • #144
She should get fifty percent, that's the going rate of a divorce, right? jmo
 
  • #145
She should get fifty percent, that's the going rate of a divorce, right? jmo

California is a community-property state, 50/50...but the devil is in the details, from what I've seen.
 
  • #146
Goz, you now owe me a keyboard! LOL, when Jesse James starts looking like a saint, we do have some REAL problems.....

I never understood what Maria seen in Arnold. Now, he counts marrying her as one of his biggest achievements....Without her, he would have NEVER been Governor of California, IMO.

I believe based on some statements I read that she made, she wanted someone different from the men she would be expected to chose from for her to marry. I am guessing Arnold was much more exciting than any of the "regular" men she could have picked from.
 
  • #147
She should get fifty percent, that's the going rate of a divorce, right? jmo

Yes, she's entitled to 50% of what he has made during their marriage.
But, she has no legal claim on money made before their marriage. Just like Arnold has no legal claim on the money she received before their marriage from that huge Kennedy fortune. Oh yeah! Her mother, the Kennedy sister, died during their marriage...I guess you agree he's entitled to that money, right? Don't worry! The Kennedys know how to protect their money from in-laws, I'm sure it was in trusts.

Legally, the rules are clear. And they are clear for that reason...no one should have to forfeit their fortune to another person even if they did cheat.

By the way, you think she didn't know about this affair and the child well before it came out? Heck yeah she did!! But she wanted to be First Lady of California. He may have taken her dignity but she traded it!
 
  • #148
<respectfully snipped>

By the way, you think she didn't know about this affair and the child well before it came out? Heck yeah she did!! But she wanted to be First Lady of California. He may have taken her dignity but she traded it!

see BBM above.

what? :no:

This comment goes in the direction of "she dressed that way? well, then she asked for it."

Arnold did not take Maria's dignity. Nor did she trade it. :nono:
Rather, she booted him. In very dignified fashion.

Arnold took his own dignity. By betraying his wife, his children and his out-of-wedlock child, and lying about it for years. The woman who cheated with him, cheated on her own husband, and went along with the cover-up and lied to her own child - SHE took her own dignity too.

Period.

:cow:
 
  • #149
Emma Peel: This comment goes in the direction of "she dressed that way? well, then she asked for it."

What in the world are you talking about? My posts, in no way, even hint that Maria "asked for it"....for that matter, what did Maria "ask for" that she "got"? Your analogy makes no sense.
Perhaps you should explain in what way my post about the curious timing of Maria's revelation which she clearly had to know for a long time beforehand (too smoothly revealed in the press for it to be recent knowledge) has to do with "asking" for something.
No wait...perhaps you better first explain what exactly Maria "asked for".

Emma Peel: Arnold took his own dignity. By betraying his wife, his children and his out-of-wedlock child, and lying about it for years. The woman who cheated with him, cheated on her own husband, and went along with the cover-up and lied to her own child - SHE took her own dignity too.

Period.

:cow:


And Maria destroyed her own dignity by not revealing this love child and booting Arnold before...but instead, trading it for a political position that fed her ego and vanity.
By the way, who exactly is a cow? Me or you?
 
  • #150
Emma Peel: This comment goes in the direction of "she dressed that way? well, then she asked for it."

What in the world are you talking about? My posts, in no way, even hint that Maria "asked for it"....for that matter, what did Maria "ask for" that she "got"? Your analogy makes no sense.
Perhaps you should explain in what way my post about the curious timing of Maria's revelation which she clearly had to know for a long time beforehand (too smoothly revealed in the press for it to be recent knowledge) has to do with "asking" for something.
No wait...perhaps you better first explain what exactly Maria "asked for".

Emma Peel: Arnold took his own dignity. By betraying his wife, his children and his out-of-wedlock child, and lying about it for years. The woman who cheated with him, cheated on her own husband, and went along with the cover-up and lied to her own child - SHE took her own dignity too.

Period.

:cow:


And Maria destroyed her own dignity by not revealing this love child and booting Arnold before...but instead, trading it for a political position that fed her ego and vanity.
By the way, who exactly is a cow? Me or you?

whoa, 2% - a Welcome to WS! :D

the little cow icon here at WS is saying moo. MOO is the acronym for My Own Opinion". (JMHO, MOO, JMO, MHO & :cow: - these are equivalent)

for example in your post about Maria, you might have been able to use a
"MOO" yourself - or ... if preferred, a little cow saying your moo for you ...

here's your quote from above:
By the way, you think she didn't know about this affair and the child well before it came out? Heck yeah she did!! But she wanted to be First Lady of California. He may have taken her dignity but she traded it!

Since you did not link to your comment any factual evidence of what you wish to accuse Maria of, then we must take this "Heck yeah she did!" to be your opinion, and not fact.

If I may, I'll further explain why the belief that Maria was somehow part of Arnold's illigitimate cover-up - makes no sense, IMO. :cow:

Maria Shriver was a mother to 4 children at the time of the birth of Arnold's out-of-wedlock child. The other woman was her married housekeeper. Maria had just given birth to #4 herself. They were pregnant at the same time. They were friends. Cared for each other. Attended family affairs together. The other woman's husband believed this was his child. The child was often with Maria's children by virtue of the close family ties. The only two that knew the secret were Arnold and the housekeeper. No paternity test.

The idea that Maria - Kennedy heir, highly educated, established successful TV anchor & investigative reporter, possessing more power, influence, and connections than her famous husband, a democrat, a devout Catholic and world-traveler - would let her then 4 young children grow up living in a big fat lie with, unknown to them - their own blood brother, "the help's son" for 10 years; the idea that Maria would betray another child as well - so that she could personally benefit from what? :waitasec:

I lost my train of thought. Oh yeah.

Maria Shriver would knowingly cheat on these 5 children in order to be First Lady of a Republican California Governor? Because (as you say) to feed her own vanity and ego?

Really? I'm sorry, but to me, it's nearly an impossible theory.

Because there is no motivation for deceiving her children.

And because she already had as much fame as she cared to have. She was a Shriver. (Do you know the Shrivers?) They're not ego people. They're givers.
http://vivanista.com/2010/04/interview-with-maria-shriver-voluntarism-empowering-women-and-ice-cream-on-top/

Maria Shriver was never so desperate that she'd need to cover for any man who did that to her and her children. Why on earth - especially when she's already bigger US royalty than the Governor herself would she betray her family for a CA First Lady gig? - and let another little one go without knowing it's father.

In fact, there's plenty of evidence Maria had rather Arnold didn't run. But he wanted to run, he did run, and she supported him. And, in fact, it was Arnold parlayed her Kennedy pedigree and political contacts to ensure he'd win the Governorship.

I get the impression she wanted to be a broadcaster and a mother at the time. But she gave up broadcasting - probably to support the family's needs given the Gov. had to travel constantly.

So...fast forward...10 years...

The term is over. Her mother has Alzheimers, dies. Her father dies. She nurses them both. At her darkest hours she discovers the unfathomable. She gets legal advise, makes her decision, develops PR strategy behind Arnold's back, she asks him to leave, she gives him very little warning that she's going to come clean to the press. She prepares her children. They all speak with Arnold. She controls the leak it to the press, with (you can bet on it - legal advice). Arnold once caught knows the rules. You admit immediately. You take the blame immediately - it's only hope of coming out with less damage. He admits to fathering the child he'd lied to for 10 years. He admits he's lied to his entire family for years. His kids change their names. He cancels his movie productions, investments frozen, lest they become losses. He knows he's got to pay the piper & get through an expensive divorce.

If you have documentation and can link it here with regard to Maria "she clearly had to know", feel free to bring it.

Otherwise, :no:

I cannot agree. Not at all. :cow:

Maria Shriver may be strong and silent and know how to play hardball, but she's as dignified as they come.

*******************************

To clarify my double analogy - which wasn't clear, I'm sorry - there's 2 ways to view this situation.

The Woman Betrayed Story. And The Twisted Woman-is-to-Blame Story.
I don't buy the Women-is-to-Blame in either.


Woman Betrayed Story:
A woman dresses to look her best, gets assaulted. :: Maria supports Arnold in his political life, gets betrayed.


The-Woman-is-to-Blame Story:
A women dresses sexy and is assaulted by a man - her fault for dressing sexy :: Maria wants to be 1st Lady and lets Arnold ruin her family - her fault for covering up for Arnold.


Maria was betrayed. :cow:
 
  • #151
The Mother of Arnold Schwarzenegger's Love Child Speaks
Baena says that as the boy got older, there were whispers around the household regarding Joseph's resemblance
to Schwarzenegger and finally Shriver confronted her.

"She was so strong," Baena says of Shriver. "She cried with me and told me to get off my knees.
We held each other and I told her it wasn't Arnie's fault -- that it takes two."

The ex-housekeeper says she has no hard feelings toward Schwarzenegger, calling him a "good man."

"He loves Maria," she says. "I hope with time they work things out."

http://wonderwall.msn.com/movies/th...ers-love-child-speaks-13101.gallery?GT1=28135

WELL..... IMHO he is an ugly pig, why should Maria re-consider?
 
  • #152
Arnold's mistress talks love child in exclusive interview with Hello! Magazine

In an exclusive interview with Hello! Magazine, Mildred Baena said when her 13-year-old son Joseph learned
that the former California governor and movie star was his father his reaction was simply, "Cool!&#8221;

Baena also said she was surprised to get a compassionate reaction from Schwarzenegger's wife, Maria Shriver.

>>>>>>>>>SNIP

http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/en...tress-talks-love-child-in-exclusive-interview
 
  • #153
:tyou: songline.

linkie to the rescue. niiiiiice.

it was interesting to learn that the housekeeper never even told Arnold - she just kept working for the family. also interesting to learn how Maria found out.

one day, the housekeeper's son outgrows his baby face and resembles your husband. well, knock me over with a feather. :crazy:
 
  • #154
whoa, 2% - a Welcome to WS! :D

the little cow icon here at WS is saying moo. MOO is the acronym for My Own Opinion". (JMHO, MOO, JMO, MHO & :cow: - these are equivalent)

for example in your post about Maria, you might have been able to use a
"MOO" yourself - or ... if preferred, a little cow saying your moo for you ...

here's your quote from above:


Since you did not link to your comment any factual evidence of what you wish to accuse Maria of, then we must take this "Heck yeah she did!" to be your opinion, and not fact.

If I may, I'll further explain why the belief that Maria was somehow part of Arnold's illigitimate cover-up - makes no sense, IMO. :cow:

Maria Shriver was a mother to 4 children at the time of the birth of Arnold's out-of-wedlock child. The other woman was her married housekeeper. Maria had just given birth to #4 herself. They were pregnant at the same time. They were friends. Cared for each other. Attended family affairs together. The other woman's husband believed this was his child. The child was often with Maria's children by virtue of the close family ties. The only two that knew the secret were Arnold and the housekeeper. No paternity test.

The idea that Maria - Kennedy heir, highly educated, established successful TV anchor & investigative reporter, possessing more power, influence, and connections than her famous husband, a democrat, a devout Catholic and world-traveler - would let her then 4 young children grow up living in a big fat lie with, unknown to them - their own blood brother, "the help's son" for 10 years; the idea that Maria would betray another child as well - so that she could personally benefit from what? :waitasec:

I lost my train of thought. Oh yeah.

Maria Shriver would knowingly cheat on these 5 children in order to be First Lady of a Republican California Governor? Because (as you say) to feed her own vanity and ego?

Really? I'm sorry, but to me, it's nearly an impossible theory.

Because there is no motivation for deceiving her children.

And because she already had as much fame as she cared to have. She was a Shriver. (Do you know the Shrivers?) They're not ego people. They're givers.
http://vivanista.com/2010/04/interview-with-maria-shriver-voluntarism-empowering-women-and-ice-cream-on-top/

Maria Shriver was never so desperate that she'd need to cover for any man who did that to her and her children. Why on earth - especially when she's already bigger US royalty than the Governor herself would she betray her family for a CA First Lady gig? - and let another little one go without knowing it's father.

In fact, there's plenty of evidence Maria had rather Arnold didn't run. But he wanted to run, he did run, and she supported him. And, in fact, it was Arnold parlayed her Kennedy pedigree and political contacts to ensure he'd win the Governorship.

I get the impression she wanted to be a broadcaster and a mother at the time. But she gave up broadcasting - probably to support the family's needs given the Gov. had to travel constantly.

So...fast forward...10 years...

The term is over. Her mother has Alzheimers, dies. Her father dies. She nurses them both. At her darkest hours she discovers the unfathomable. She gets legal advise, makes her decision, develops PR strategy behind Arnold's back, she asks him to leave, she gives him very little warning that she's going to come clean to the press. She prepares her children. They all speak with Arnold. She controls the leak it to the press, with (you can bet on it - legal advice). Arnold once caught knows the rules. You admit immediately. You take the blame immediately - it's only hope of coming out with less damage. He admits to fathering the child he'd lied to for 10 years. He admits he's lied to his entire family for years. His kids change their names. He cancels his movie productions, investments frozen, lest they become losses. He knows he's got to pay the piper & get through an expensive divorce.

If you have documentation and can link it here with regard to Maria "she clearly had to know", feel free to bring it.

Otherwise, :no:

I cannot agree. Not at all. :cow:

Maria Shriver may be strong and silent and know how to play hardball, but she's as dignified as they come.

*******************************

To clarify my double analogy - which wasn't clear, I'm sorry - there's 2 ways to view this situation.

The Woman Betrayed Story. And The Twisted Woman-is-to-Blame Story.
I don't buy the Women-is-to-Blame in either.


Woman Betrayed Story:
A woman dresses to look her best, gets assaulted. :: Maria supports Arnold in his political life, gets betrayed.


The-Woman-is-to-Blame Story:
A women dresses sexy and is assaulted by a man - her fault for dressing sexy :: Maria wants to be 1st Lady and lets Arnold ruin her family - her fault for covering up for Arnold.


Maria was betrayed. :cow:

Rape is not analogous to a woman ignoring her husband's infidelities for her own political gain.
Less is more.
 
  • #155
I don't think cheating means you forfeit your life much less your entire fortune. That's just going way too far.

If you reread my post, I did NOT say he should forfeit his life, neither did I say he should forfeit his entire fortune. What I DID say is she should get back the money SHE invested. What I said and what YOU said I said are worlds apart. I think they are far enough apart to be considered misrepresentation.
 
  • #156
I was in the grocery store the other day when the story broke that Maria was taking Arnold for 500 million.

Really?

I hadnt heard that.

How could she "take" him for 500 mil when jointly they are worth (as is being reported ((and we all know that can be wildy inaccurate)) around 400 million).

Color me curious.
 
  • #157
Really?

I hadnt heard that.

How could she "take" him for 500 mil when jointly they are worth (as is being reported ((and we all know that can be wildy inaccurate)) around 400 million).

Color me curious.
HI Glow. :hug: In that case, I hope she does take him for 500mil. She can take 400 now and he can pay her monthly for the other 100.
 
  • #158
You really need to get appointed to the bench! :twocents:
 
  • #159
Arnold's mistress talks love child in exclusive interview with Hello! Magazine

In an exclusive interview with Hello! Magazine, Mildred Baena said when her 13-year-old son Joseph learned
that the former California governor and movie star was his father his reaction was simply, "Cool!”

Baena also said she was surprised to get a compassionate reaction from Schwarzenegger's wife, Maria Shriver.

>>>>>>>>>SNIP

http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/en...tress-talks-love-child-in-exclusive-interview

Maria is a better woman than I am.. that's for sure. I can't begin to imagine her pain.
 
  • #160
whoa, 2% - a Welcome to WS! :D

the little cow icon here at WS is saying moo. MOO is the acronym for My Own Opinion". (JMHO, MOO, JMO, MHO & :cow: - these are equivalent)

for example in your post about Maria, you might have been able to use a
"MOO" yourself - or ... if preferred, a little cow saying your moo for you ...

here's your quote from above:


Since you did not link to your comment any factual evidence of what you wish to accuse Maria of, then we must take this "Heck yeah she did!" to be your opinion, and not fact.

If I may, I'll further explain why the belief that Maria was somehow part of Arnold's illigitimate cover-up - makes no sense, IMO. :cow:

Maria Shriver was a mother to 4 children at the time of the birth of Arnold's out-of-wedlock child. The other woman was her married housekeeper. Maria had just given birth to #4 herself. They were pregnant at the same time. They were friends. Cared for each other. Attended family affairs together. The other woman's husband believed this was his child. The child was often with Maria's children by virtue of the close family ties. The only two that knew the secret were Arnold and the housekeeper. No paternity test.

The idea that Maria - Kennedy heir, highly educated, established successful TV anchor & investigative reporter, possessing more power, influence, and connections than her famous husband, a democrat, a devout Catholic and world-traveler - would let her then 4 young children grow up living in a big fat lie with, unknown to them - their own blood brother, "the help's son" for 10 years; the idea that Maria would betray another child as well - so that she could personally benefit from what? :waitasec:

I lost my train of thought. Oh yeah.

Maria Shriver would knowingly cheat on these 5 children in order to be First Lady of a Republican California Governor? Because (as you say) to feed her own vanity and ego?

Really? I'm sorry, but to me, it's nearly an impossible theory.

Because there is no motivation for deceiving her children.

And because she already had as much fame as she cared to have. She was a Shriver. (Do you know the Shrivers?) They're not ego people. They're givers.
http://vivanista.com/2010/04/interview-with-maria-shriver-voluntarism-empowering-women-and-ice-cream-on-top/

Maria Shriver was never so desperate that she'd need to cover for any man who did that to her and her children. Why on earth - especially when she's already bigger US royalty than the Governor herself would she betray her family for a CA First Lady gig? - and let another little one go without knowing it's father.

In fact, there's plenty of evidence Maria had rather Arnold didn't run. But he wanted to run, he did run, and she supported him. And, in fact, it was Arnold parlayed her Kennedy pedigree and political contacts to ensure he'd win the Governorship.

I get the impression she wanted to be a broadcaster and a mother at the time. But she gave up broadcasting - probably to support the family's needs given the Gov. had to travel constantly.

So...fast forward...10 years...

The term is over. Her mother has Alzheimers, dies. Her father dies. She nurses them both. At her darkest hours she discovers the unfathomable. She gets legal advise, makes her decision, develops PR strategy behind Arnold's back, she asks him to leave, she gives him very little warning that she's going to come clean to the press. She prepares her children. They all speak with Arnold. She controls the leak it to the press, with (you can bet on it - legal advice). Arnold once caught knows the rules. You admit immediately. You take the blame immediately - it's only hope of coming out with less damage. He admits to fathering the child he'd lied to for 10 years. He admits he's lied to his entire family for years. His kids change their names. He cancels his movie productions, investments frozen, lest they become losses. He knows he's got to pay the piper & get through an expensive divorce.

If you have documentation and can link it here with regard to Maria "she clearly had to know", feel free to bring it.

Otherwise, :no:

I cannot agree. Not at all. :cow:

Maria Shriver may be strong and silent and know how to play hardball, but she's as dignified as they come.

*******************************

To clarify my double analogy - which wasn't clear, I'm sorry - there's 2 ways to view this situation.

The Woman Betrayed Story. And The Twisted Woman-is-to-Blame Story.
I don't buy the Women-is-to-Blame in either.


Woman Betrayed Story:
A woman dresses to look her best, gets assaulted. :: Maria supports Arnold in his political life, gets betrayed.


The-Woman-is-to-Blame Story:
A women dresses sexy and is assaulted by a man - her fault for dressing sexy :: Maria wants to be 1st Lady and lets Arnold ruin her family - her fault for covering up for Arnold.


Maria was betrayed. :cow:

:clap: :clap:
 

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