Arnold Schwarzenegger & Maria S. separate** Lovechild revealed**

[songline]

Maria is a better woman than I am.. that's for sure. I can't begin to imagine her pain.

I agree.

 

[songline]

:tyou: songline.

linkie to the rescue. niiiiiice.

it was interesting to learn that the housekeeper never even told Arnold - she just kept working for the family. also interesting to learn how Maria found out.one day, the housekeeper's son outgrows his baby face and resembles your husband. well, knock me over with a feather. :crazy:

Is it possible that the housekeeper never told Arnold ?
I guess it is possible. If true - she is not the worst person :waitasec:
but she did have a cushy job that she did want to keep. Therefore, I am not so sure. IT SOUNDS A BIT TOO NOBEL.

HOW Nobel is she? If the boy looks like Arnold, why did she bring him around on that day?
If she never got any extra money - now that she is retired she wanted the extra money, so she brought the kid with her?
Working it to make sure, he has to support his SON? Does not sound so Nobel anymore :nono:
And she just fell to her knees when Maria confronted her :waitasec:

Well - makes a great movie don’t you think?

 

[jjenny]

:tyou: songline.

linkie to the rescue. niiiiiice.

it was interesting to learn that the housekeeper never even told Arnold - she just kept working for the family. also interesting to learn how Maria found out.

one day, the housekeeper's son outgrows his baby face and resembles your husband. well, knock me over with a feather. :crazy:

That interview doesn't say that the housekeeper didn't tell Arnold that he was the baby daddy.

 

[Emma Peel]

That interview doesn't say that the housekeeper didn't tell Arnold that he was the baby daddy.

IMO, The way it's written, it does, indeed, say that.

http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/en...tress-talks-love-child-in-exclusive-interview

right from the article:

Baena said she wasn't the one to break the news to Schwarzenegger that Joseph was his.

 

[songline]

That interview doesn't say that the housekeeper didn't tell Arnold that he was the baby daddy.

WELL it is on one of the links here at WS
I did read that the housekeeper never told him
that he is the daddy.

 

[2 percent]

If you reread my post, I did NOT say he should forfeit his life, neither did I say he should forfeit his entire fortune. What I DID say is she should get back the money SHE invested. What I said and what YOU said I said are worlds apart. I think they are far enough apart to be considered misrepresentation.

....did you read my post?

I had two points in my post, that men around me said he deserved to lose his entire fortune and his life and I firmly disagreed for the reasons stated.

You didn't directly engage either losing his entire fortune or life, but clearly said you disagreed with me.

Logically, that pretty much only adds up to one thing - you agreed with the men I mentioned. If you think that's in error, no offense, maybe you should directly engage the point of my post next time.

 

[2 percent]

Really?

I hadnt heard that.

How could she "take" him for 500 mil when jointly they are worth (as is being reported ((and we all know that can be wildy inaccurate)) around 400 million).

Color me curious.

Arnold is worth 400 million and Maria is worth 100 million so jointly they are worth 500 million according to Celebrity Net Worth and quoted by the HuffingandPuffington Post as well as many others as being the accurate number. I don't mind if you have a different number, I do mind you don't have a source like I do, though.

Of course this reporting is wildly inaccurate because, as I said before, the only money that is community property in California is that made during the marriage and if Arnold made the majority of his money before marrying, well, Maria's community property is smaller than their current joint worth. Also, his infidelity has nothing legally to do with how much Maria will get.

Cute little clique.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

The idea that Maria - Kennedy heir, highly educated, established successful TV anchor & investigative reporter, possessing more power, influence, and connections than her famous husband, a democrat, a devout Catholic and world-traveler

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BBM and Underlined by me

Emma, Arnold is not a democrat (although he behaves like one).
He is a republican (but there is nothing "republican" about him).

Just thought I'd clear that up.

I can see why you thought he was a dem though. He has very democratic views. I don't know why he remains a republican. :waitasec:

 

[2 percent]

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BBM and Underlined by me

Emma, Arnold is not a democrat (although he behaves like one).
He is a republican (but there is nothing "republican" about him).

Just thought I'd clear that up.

I can see why you thought he was a dem though. He has very democratic views. I don't know why he remains a republican. :waitasec:

I was born and raised in California, LA to be specific, and the animal "California Republican" (AKA "Hollywood Republican") has never been identified or even classified as what they are...wimps! :great:

(Kidding)

Seriously though, I've lived all over the US and I have found the West Coast and the Northeast have very different republicans than those you find in the midwest or the south - who would call those "California Republicans" conservative or moderate Democrats. As a matter of fact, I've found the midwest to be far more conservative across the board than the south/Bible Belt.

 

[Emma Peel]

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BBM and Underlined by me

Emma, Arnold is not a democrat (although he behaves like one).
He is a republican (but there is nothing "republican" about him).

Just thought I'd clear that up.

I can see why you thought he was a dem though. He has very democratic views. I don't know why he remains a republican. :waitasec:

Kim,

I apologize for my string of commas, (see quote below) but everything I listed there refers to Maria, not Arnold.

However, you may not be the only one I confused with that run on sentence. I knew Arnold was a Republican. Their bi-partisan marriage has always been the big "thing" about their relationship. Well, before this latest news.

The idea that Maria - Kennedy heir, highly educated, established successful TV anchor & investigative reporter, possessing more power, influence, and connections than her famous husband, a democrat, a devout Catholic and world-traveler.

 

[SunnieRN]

whoa, 2% - a Welcome to WS!

the little cow icon here at WS is saying moo. MOO is the acronym for My Own Opinion". (JMHO, MOO, JMO, MHO & :cow: - these are equivalent)

for example in your post about Maria, you might have been able to use a
"MOO" yourself - or ... if preferred, a little cow saying your moo for you ...

here's your quote from above:


Since you did not link to your comment any factual evidence of what you wish to accuse Maria of, then we must take this "Heck yeah she did!" to be your opinion, and not fact.

If I may, I'll further explain why the belief that Maria was somehow part of Arnold's illigitimate cover-up - makes no sense, IMO. :cow:

Maria Shriver was a mother to 4 children at the time of the birth of Arnold's out-of-wedlock child. The other woman was her married housekeeper. Maria had just given birth to #4 herself. They were pregnant at the same time. They were friends. Cared for each other. Attended family affairs together. The other woman's husband believed this was his child. The child was often with Maria's children by virtue of the close family ties. The only two that knew the secret were Arnold and the housekeeper. No paternity test.

The idea that Maria - Kennedy heir, highly educated, established successful TV anchor & investigative reporter, possessing more power, influence, and connections than her famous husband, a democrat, a devout Catholic and world-traveler - would let her then 4 young children grow up living in a big fat lie with, unknown to them - their own blood brother, "the help's son" for 10 years; the idea that Maria would betray another child as well - so that she could personally benefit from what? :waitasec:

I lost my train of thought. Oh yeah.

Maria Shriver would knowingly cheat on these 5 children in order to be First Lady of a Republican California Governor? Because (as you say) to feed her own vanity and ego?

Really? I'm sorry, but to me, it's nearly an impossible theory.

Because there is no motivation for deceiving her children.

And because she already had as much fame as she cared to have. She was a Shriver. (Do you know the Shrivers?) They're not ego people. They're givers.
http://vivanista.com/2010/04/interview-with-maria-shriver-voluntarism-empowering-women-and-ice-cream-on-top/

Maria Shriver was never so desperate that she'd need to cover for any man who did that to her and her children. Why on earth - especially when she's already bigger US royalty than the Governor herself would she betray her family for a CA First Lady gig? - and let another little one go without knowing it's father.

In fact, there's plenty of evidence Maria had rather Arnold didn't run. But he wanted to run, he did run, and she supported him. And, in fact, it was Arnold parlayed her Kennedy pedigree and political contacts to ensure he'd win the Governorship.

I get the impression she wanted to be a broadcaster and a mother at the time. But she gave up broadcasting - probably to support the family's needs given the Gov. had to travel constantly.

So...fast forward...10 years...

The term is over. Her mother has Alzheimers, dies. Her father dies. She nurses them both. At her darkest hours she discovers the unfathomable. She gets legal advise, makes her decision, develops PR strategy behind Arnold's back, she asks him to leave, she gives him very little warning that she's going to come clean to the press. She prepares her children. They all speak with Arnold. She controls the leak it to the press, with (you can bet on it - legal advice). Arnold once caught knows the rules. You admit immediately. You take the blame immediately - it's only hope of coming out with less damage. He admits to fathering the child he'd lied to for 10 years. He admits he's lied to his entire family for years. His kids change their names. He cancels his movie productions, investments frozen, lest they become losses. He knows he's got to pay the piper & get through an expensive divorce.

If you have documentation and can link it here with regard to Maria "she clearly had to know", feel free to bring it.

Otherwise, :no:

I cannot agree. Not at all. :cow:

Maria Shriver may be strong and silent and know how to play hardball, but she's as dignified as they come.

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To clarify my double analogy - which wasn't clear, I'm sorry - there's 2 ways to view this situation.

The Woman Betrayed Story. And The Twisted Woman-is-to-Blame Story.
I don't buy the Women-is-to-Blame in either.


Woman Betrayed Story:
A woman dresses to look her best, gets assaulted. :: Maria supports Arnold in his political life, gets betrayed.


The-Woman-is-to-Blame Story:
A women dresses sexy and is assaulted by a man - her fault for dressing sexy :: Maria wants to be 1st Lady and lets Arnold ruin her family - her fault for covering up for Arnold.


Maria was betrayed. :cow:

:great::woohoo:

 

[Fairy1]

Well, I see this thread has deteriorated into the ridiculous.

So what if the bimbo didn't TELL Arnold the child was his? Does that negate the fact that they were having an affair? No.

So what if Maria knew before the public knew? Does that negate the fact that her HUSBAND was having an affair right under her nose; in her OWN home? No.

And really, whose "dignity" is at stake here? Not Maria's!

She doesn't need Arnold's money - she has her own. Though I can't blame her for going for it. I assume they had a pre-nup.

She "wanted to be First Lady of California????" Really? Give me a break! What woman - particularly half of Hollywood/Washington, D.C. royalty - would truly WANT that? You DO know the state the state of California is in, right?

I'm really not sure how anyone could possibly spin this tragedy to Arnold's favor, but none of the above cuts it for me. He didn't even have enough class to look OUTSIDE OF HIS OWN HOME to find his .

I am sorry for the innocent child who has been forced into the middle of this ugly story through no fault of his own. The people who made him should be ashamed of themselves. But I doubt they are, or ever will be.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Maria Shriver filing for divorce from Arnold Schwarzenegger: report

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nation..._divorce_Zjr5UUTH61WtUN2ns6axlO#ixzz1Qv3Bs7en

 

[DollyPardonMe]

Well, I see this thread has deteriorated into the ridiculous.

So what if the bimbo didn't TELL Arnold the child was his? Does that negate the fact that they were having an affair? No.

So what if Maria knew before the public knew? Does that negate the fact that her HUSBAND was having an affair right under her nose; in her OWN home? No.

And really, whose "dignity" is at stake here? Not Maria's!

She doesn't need Arnold's money - she has her own. Though I can't blame her for going for it. I assume they had a pre-nup.

She "wanted to be First Lady of California????" Really? Give me a break! What woman - particularly half of Hollywood/Washington, D.C. royalty - would truly WANT that? You DO know the state the state of California is in, right?

I'm really not sure how anyone could possibly spin this tragedy to Arnold's favor, but none of the above cuts it for me. He didn't even have enough class to look OUTSIDE OF HIS OWN HOME to find his .

I am sorry for the innocent child who has been forced into the middle of this ugly story through no fault of his own. The people who made him should be ashamed of themselves. But I doubt they are, or ever will be.

BBM
I find it funny the press hasn't made a big deal of Patty's last name meaning "whale" in Spanish!

 

[2 percent]

Well, I see this thread has deteriorated into the ridiculous.

So what if Maria knew before the public knew? Does that negate the fact that her HUSBAND was having an affair right under her nose; in her OWN home? No.

And really, whose "dignity" is at stake here? Not Maria's!

She doesn't need Arnold's money - she has her own. Though I can't blame her for going for it. I assume they had a pre-nup.

She "wanted to be First Lady of California????" Really? Give me a break! What woman - particularly half of Hollywood/Washington, D.C. royalty - would truly WANT that? You DO know the state the state of California is in, right?

I'm really not sure how anyone could possibly spin this tragedy to Arnold's favor, but none of the above cuts it for me. He didn't even have enough class to look OUTSIDE OF HIS OWN HOME to find his .

I am sorry for the innocent child who has been forced into the middle of this ugly story through no fault of his own. The people who made him should be ashamed of themselves. But I doubt they are, or ever will be.

No, Maria knowing before it was revealed publicly doesn't negate the cheating. Nothing negates that and no one on this thread has even attempted to imply that Maria knowing negates the affair.
However, knowing and not revealing it or even leaving him means implicit consent. No getting around that.
Also knowing and not revealing it until it's advantageous to her alone means that she cares more about their public image (waiting until he was out of office) than any effect this had or has had on her children. So let's save the Mother Theresa award for someone else, huh?

As for dignity...no principles in this story have a shred left, including Maria - implied consent, not caring what this did or is doing to her own children, etc.

I'm a born and raised Californian and I know EXACTLY what being First Lady of California means. You are the First Lady of the state that is in the top ten of world exports, you have the most representatives in the federal government and you can heavily sway elections with your electoral votes. Just because California isn't great at balancing the books doesn't mean it isn't a powerful state, so give it a rest.
Plus, being from a political family, Maria would see any First Lady job as befitting to her background. Again, give it a rest.

This is important: Exactly who in this thread was trying to spin this in Arnold's favor? None that I've seen. Trying to knock Maria off that pedestal she's on and tarnishing the halo others have put on her is a more accurate portrayal of the efforts of those on this site. The chances the timing is a coincidence is just comical.

 

[Fairy1]

No, Maria knowing before it was revealed publicly doesn't negate the cheating. Nothing negates that and no one on this thread has even attempted to imply that Maria knowing negates the affair.
However, knowing and not revealing it or even leaving him means implicit consent. No getting around that.
Also knowing and not revealing it until it's advantageous to her alone means that she cares more about their public image (waiting until he was out of office) than any effect this had or has had on her children. So let's save the Mother Theresa award for someone else, huh?

As for dignity...no principles in this story have a shred left, including Maria - implied consent, not caring what this did or is doing to her own children, etc.

I'm a born and raised Californian and I know EXACTLY what being First Lady of California means. You are the First Lady of the state that is in the top ten of world exports, you have the most representatives in the federal government and you can heavily sway elections with your electoral votes. Just because California isn't great at balancing the books doesn't mean it isn't a powerful state, so give it a rest.
Plus, being from a political family, Maria would see any First Lady job as befitting to her background. Again, give it a rest.

This is important: Exactly who in this thread was trying to spin this in Arnold's favor? None that I've seen. Trying to knock Maria off that pedestal she's on and tarnishing the halo others have put on her is a more accurate portrayal of the efforts of those on this site. The chances the timing is a coincidence is just comical.

Why does it matter when Maria found out? Implied consent? Are you kidding? She has a right to protect her own image and her own children before allowing the world to know her husband/their father is a .

Maria didn't need to be First Lady of California. She had a career in journalism - NOT politics - before she decided to stand by her man (and I use that term quite loosely) and put her own career on hold. I have never viewed her as having a "halo," but I do find her to be a positive role model for young women.

Now then, should it ever come out that she was having her way with the pool boy, I would have to rethink my position. Somehow, I just don't see that happening!

 

[2 percent]

Why does it matter when Maria found out? Implied consent? Are you kidding? She has a right to protect her own image and her own children before allowing the world to know her husband/their father is a .

Maria didn't need to be First Lady of California. She had a career in journalism - NOT politics - before she decided to stand by her man (and I use that term quite loosely) and put her own career on hold. I have never viewed her as having a "halo," but I do find her to be a positive role model for young women.

Now then, should it ever come out that she was having her way with the pool boy, I would have to rethink my position. Somehow, I just don't see that happening!

If she wanted to protect her kids why reveal it AT ALL?! Ridiculous circular logic. And don't bother trying to say the release of this information wasn't orchestrated by her, it's Kennedyesque in nature.

This has nothing to do with Maria's career, wasn't even brought up. I clearly said the political position reflected her families tendencies, not her career ambitions.
The subject was being First Lady and the implication that being First Lady of California wasn't such a great position because of California's debt problems...which is utter nonsense! It's a powerful state economically and politically.
As for a role model, what exactly makes her role noteworthy? I can think of several others I'd support as role models before her.

 

[Fairy1]

If she wanted to protect her kids why reveal it AT ALL?! Ridiculous circular logic. And don't bother trying to say the release of this information wasn't orchestrated by her, it's Kennedyesque in nature.

This has nothing to do with Maria's career, wasn't even brought up. I clearly said the political position reflected her families tendencies, not her career ambitions.
The subject was being First Lady and the implication that being First Lady of California wasn't such a great position because of California's debt problems...which is utter nonsense! It's a powerful state economically and politically.
As for a role model, what exactly makes her role noteworthy? I can think of several others I'd support as role models before her.

We'll simply have to agree to disagree on this disgusting example of human nature.

I'm not about to get on the Maria-bashing train and you're, clearly, not about to get off of it.

No doubt in MY mind who's going to come out of this smelling like a rose.

:truce:

 

[Emma Peel]

No, Maria knowing before it was revealed publicly doesn't negate the cheating. Nothing negates that and no one on this thread has even attempted to imply that Maria knowing negates the affair.
However, knowing and not revealing it or even leaving him means implicit consent. No getting around that.
Also knowing and not revealing it until it's advantageous to her alone means that she cares more about their public image (waiting until he was out of office) than any effect this had or has had on her children. So let's save the Mother Theresa award for someone else, huh?

As for dignity...no principles in this story have a shred left, including Maria - implied consent, not caring what this did or is doing to her own children, etc.

I'm a born and raised Californian and I know EXACTLY what being First Lady of California means. You are the First Lady of the state that is in the top ten of world exports, you have the most representatives in the federal government and you can heavily sway elections with your electoral votes. Just because California isn't great at balancing the books doesn't mean it isn't a powerful state, so give it a rest.
Plus, being from a political family, Maria would see any First Lady job as befitting to her background. Again, give it a rest.

This is important: Exactly who in this thread was trying to spin this in Arnold's favor? None that I've seen. Trying to knock Maria off that pedestal she's on and tarnishing the halo others have put on her is a more accurate portrayal of the efforts of those on this site. The chances the timing is a coincidence is just comical.

BBM
"A more accurate portrayal?"

Some may question the "accuracy" of this "Maria Shriver halo-tarnishing" commentary.

Okay, I'll just question it myself - based on recent news reporting.

Baena backs up Maria on timing of Maria's knowledge of the betrayal.
Arnold backs up Maria on timing of Maria's knowledge.

If you've got some alternate "informed Maria" timing evidence to enlighten us with - please bring it to the thread - feel free to link it here.

IMO, many here would be interested.

 

[2 percent]

We'll simply have to agree to disagree on this disgusting example of human nature.

I'm not about to get on the Maria-bashing train and you're, clearly, not about to get off of it.

No doubt in MY mind who's going to come out of this smelling like a rose.

:truce:

I'm not bashing Maria at all, I'm presenting a truer picture of her than anyone here who is lamenting what this is doing to the children. If Maria gave a dang about her children she wouldn't have publicized the divorce and certainly didn't need to provide a reason. Arnold wasn't thinking of his kids when he had the affair and Maria wasn't thinking of them when she publicized it
.
Do you really think Maria suddenly found out about this love child and it was a coincidence the story was revealed right after Arnold leaves the governorship, when she's seeking a divorce? If you do, you're incredibly naive.

I couldn't care less about Maria - never liked her much, mostly because of her family, but never disliked her either. The wounded wife thing is being orchestrated and played out like theater and I'm not going to blindly sit in the audience without making note of some questionable moves on Maria's side of this.