ARREST!!! Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 -#24

[minni]

sorry that last post was rushed, I had after school business!!

I was implying that:

It does look too sloppy to be a professional hit, yet I've heard about some real winners in this department.
GBC strikes me as the type to bargain hunt and try and swindle a deal, even in the business of murder, so if it was someone with a criminal history or a dodgy hitman or standover man, GBC would have got what he paid for (hard to picture this as I reckon things would be tied up by now if it was a two bit crim)
When I say GBC doesnt look like he has the guts, its because I think it would take a special kind of person to be able to cut someone up. He looks like he would throw up changing a nappy!! IMO

 

[YoureNicked]

Its a game they play, they may not feel they have enough yet to convince the judge to give him bail. they also may (read: will) have info they may need to combat.

Its very strategic and this is why they get the bug bucks

BBMNice typo (or was it intentional, J-Diggety? lol) ...Either way, I'm sure that, from time to time, it's a very fitting description of the money these top-guns defence lawyers receive.

 

[J-Diggety]

Revisiting early days.

The family cars have been impounded by police and they've also taken his mobile phone.

Friends yesterday described the 41-year-old real estate principal as a "mess" who believed his wife's disappearance was linked to depression.

They said he was a "gentle" man who believed his wife would eventually return home.


http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...den-clay-goes-on/story-e6freuzr-1226339293043

Ooh, thats an old one, April 27?

 

[J-Diggety]

BBMNice typo (or was it intentional, J-Diggety? lol) ...Either way, I'm sure that, from time to time, it's a very fitting description of the money these top-guns defence lawyers receive.

Hahahahaha.missed it. Nice pick up

 

[BrissyLass]

Got to say if I worked at that office I might be tempted to forget some of the paperwork too lol.

:what: as tempting as it may be sometimes.......any good barristers secretary would never let that happen

i'm sure everything is in place...if by any chance paperwork has not yet been filed there will be a good reason for it i would guess....:twocents:

 

[BreakingNews]

Ooh, thats an old one, April 27?

Sounds more like an April 1st post. "Gentle man" indeed!

 

[Mothergoose]

in regards to interfering with a corpse the lastest local info from a witness who has been interviewed by police is that both hands had been dismembered. horrible thought if true.

One thing that has always bothered me about the hand rumor is this--If the accused placed Allison's body at Kohlo Bridge to lend some leaning towards the depression/suicide story (knowing she would eventually be found),why would he dismember her hands. i.e. Instant alarm bells when she is found. Doesn't make sense to me. IMO

 

[YoureNicked]

Yes I remember at the time discussing the photo I posted before...pretty sure it's the one you're talking about although it only shows right hand in that one.

I'll try checking but from memory that photo was taken the day Allison's body was found & he was either on his way to or from meeting with barrister in city.

Edit: 1st May it seems that photo was taken...same day as the "pie face" photo...interestingly the reports have been removed....although "pie face" photo/report is still there...http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...usiness-suffered/story-e6freoof-1226344121450

BBM

Love that 'Pie Face' photo...it's close enough to 'Poe Face' to make it hilariously appropriate IMO.

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

sorry that last post was rushed, I had after school business!!

I was implying that:

It does look too sloppy to be a professional hit, yet I've heard about some real winners in this department.
GBC strikes me as the type to bargain hunt and try and swindle a deal, even in the business of murder, so if it was someone with a criminal history or a dodgy hitman or standover man, GBC would have got what he paid for (hard to picture this as I reckon things would be tied up by now if it was a two bit crim)
When I say GBC doesnt look like he has the guts, its because I think it would take a special kind of person to be able to cut someone up. He looks like he would throw up changing a nappy!! IMO

Lol.. Well I won't make any statements as to the character of alleged accused... But talking about a 'hired' killer, they may not be 'professional'..anyone can be a hired hitman(or woman).. ANd I too have heard some doozies.. So just because a person is a hired killer, does not mean they won't fluff it or leave loose ends.. A hired killer for instance could be simply an aquanitence you agree to pay x amount to for them to 'off' another for you(no experience necessary- though would be an asset ).. However I am talking all theoretical and not about this case as such..

 

[Makara]

I have put photo after photo into photoshop, enlarged them, inverted them, played with contrast ad nauseum and I really can't see anything that I could definitively call a scratch. Is it just me?

No Possum, it's not just you. I've done the same. That's not to say he didn't have scratches on his face. Det. Ainsworth has referred to them in MSM, as well as OW when she said that GBC fell over. :waitasec:

 

[marlywings]

:what: as tempting as it may be sometimes.......any good barristers secretary would never let that happen

Stranger things have happened...lol

Law firm secretary stole over $500k
June 15, 2012 08:00AM

A SECRETARY embezzled more than $500,000 while working for a chamber of Brisbane inner-city barristers to pay bills and support her family, a court has been told.

http://m.news.com.au/QLD/pg/0/fi1621226.htm

 

[Thinking]

I have never heard about the hand thing from people I know, doesnt mean it didnt happen of course. I also never heard about the mysterious person with tatts wearing gardening gloves either.

Bayside, apologies if you have already posted this and alternatively, please feel free to ignore this if you don't wish to answer and I completely understand. I just wonder if you have heard whether there actually is an alleged accomplice or if it is more likely the perpetrator acted alone?

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

No, sorry, I have misread the sentence ... June 13 was the arrest date. I deleted the message.

Oh..Have deleted my above quoted post now also then..lol

 

[Rational]

This was on the Australian Law site.

Like many criminal law matters, the granting of bail is different in each State and Territory.

As a general rule, there is a presumption that a person arrested and charged with an offence will be granted bail.

However, like everything, there are some exceptions. Where a person is charged with murder, serious drug offences or multiple serious property offences, there may be a presumption against the person receiving bail.

There are many factors that will be considered when an application for bail is determined. Some of these will include:

the likelihood that you will or will not appear in court. In determining this the court will consider you family and community ties, the circumstances and seriousness of the offence and any previous failure to appear in court;
your interests, for example, if you do not receive bail, how long you may be required to spend on remand, if you need to be free to prepare your case, or any other special circumstances you have;
the need to protect the welfare of the community. In determining this the court may consider the likelihood you will commit further offences while on bail, the likelihood you may interfere with jurors and evidence, whether you were on bail at the time you committed the offence in question.

Whether or not a person will receive bail will depend upon the facts of the case.

I have been struggling with this bail thing the last few days. I have no issue with this provision being there as it supports the notion of fairness (ie innocent until proven). What I am struggling with is given GBC has been arrested for Allison's murder and will have his day in court to allow for that process to come to a conclusion even if it takes two years.

If he had been forthcoming with information to police since his arrest (even after his two months of self imposed silence) and had cooperated with QPS in an effort to clear his name (given that his lawyer says he will vigorously defend the charge),I probably could see. A Supreme court judge considering a bail application.

What I would find difficult to consider would be him being given bail, despite not cooperating in any way, presumably still maintaining a wall of silence and level of self righteousness displayed in my view over the last two months.

This may be considered fair but where is the justice for Allison in all of this. Or does the victim(s) no longer count once an arrests is made? Are there other possible perpetrators still running free outside and will him being given bail allow these to be brought to justice. Because if this isn't the case why is bail even being considered??? Alisson would possible have liked a period of bail before her last breath to tell her three girls that she loved them,how special they are, and how she always will be looking after them on their special days at school, at their graduations, their first date etc etc etc.

All IMOO MOOO etc

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

I have been struggling with this bail thing the last few days. I have no issue with this provision being there as it supports the notion of fairness (ie innocent until proven). What I am struggling with is given GBC has been arrested for Allison's murder and will have his day in court to allow for that process to come to a conclusion even if it takes two years.

If he had been forthcoming with information to police since his arrest (even after his two months of self imposed silence) and had cooperated with QPS in an effort to clear his name (given that his lawyer say he will vigorously defend the charge),I probably could see. A Supreme court judge considering a bail application.

What I would find difficult to consider would be him being given bail, despite not cooperating in any way, presumably still maintaining a wall of silence and level of self righteousness displayed in my view over the last two months.

This may be considered fair but where is the justice for Allison in all of this. Or does the victim(s) no longer count once an arrests is made? Are there other possible perpetrators still running free outside and will him being given bail allow these to be brought to justice. Because if this isn't the case why is bail even being considered??? Alisson would possible have liked a period of bail before her last breath to tell her three girls that she loved them,how special they are, and how she always will be looking after them on their special days at school, at their graduations, their first date etc etc etc.

All IMOO MOOO etc

I guess we don't know if it really is being considered.. I mean we don't know that it will be allowed. But the law as it stands entitles everyone to apply for bail(doesn't it?). But doesn't mean you are going to get it. If he does get it, that has me curious as to why and what is going on and what do Police know..Just my thoughts.

 

[Rational]

I was thinking he could go to a nice private psychiatric hospital if bailed.

Possum
I just read your quote! Love Camus' J'accuse. Maybe GBCs work of art was the prang at Indooroopilly (the extend of his artistic license ). All IMOO

Sorry off topic, I am running on empty with this bail application yet to be resolved.

 

[itsthevibe]

I guess we don't know if it really is being considered.. I mean we don't know that it will be allowed. But the law as it stands entitles everyone to apply for bail(doesn't it?). But doesn't mean you are going to get it. If he does get it, that has me curious as to why and what is going on and what do Police know..Just my thoughts.

I was actually thinking that one reason bail wouldnt be granted would be because they want to minimise risk of him speaking with his accomplices, so it's better for him to be in jail, thus minimising access. It would seem this aspect fits in with the criteria for why someone isn't granted bail.

I was also wondering if the police were hoping to have progressed further with their investigations into accomplices, and might be making at least one more arrest in the coming weeks. And perhaps they might prefer GBC to be in jail in the lead up to that happening.

 

[Mothergoose]

I have been struggling with this bail thing the last few days. I have no issue with this provision being there as it supports the notion of fairness (ie innocent until proven). What I am struggling with is given GBC has been arrested for Allison's murder and will have his day in court to allow for that process to come to a conclusion even if it takes two years.

If he had been forthcoming with information to police since his arrest (even after his two months of self imposed silence) and had cooperated with QPS in an effort to clear his name (given that his lawyer say he will vigorously defend the charge),I probably could see. A Supreme court judge considering a bail application.

What I would find difficult to consider would be him being given bail, despite not cooperating in any way, presumably still maintaining a wall of silence and level of self righteousness displayed in my view over the last two months.

This may be considered fair but where is the justice for Allison in all of this. Or does the victim(s) no longer count once an arrests is made? Are there other possible perpetrators still running free outside and will him being given bail allow these to be brought to justice. Because if this isn't the case why is bail even being considered??? Alisson would possible have liked a period of bail before her last breath to tell her three girls that she loved them,how special they are, and how she always will be looking after them on their special days at school, at their graduations, their first date etc etc etc.

All IMOO MOOO etc

It would be interesting to find out how many accused murders are actually on bail in Australia at the moment. Have tried to find the stats with no luck.
I would guess not many. IMO After reading the information on Australian Law I'd say his chances are slim of getting bail and, if he does, I don't like the chances of a conviction IMO I will be verrrry surprised if he does.IMO

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

I was actually thinking that one reason bail wouldnt be granted would be because they want to minimise risk of him speaking with his accomplices, so it's better for him to be in jail, thus minimising access. It would seem this aspect fits in with the criteria for why someone isn't granted bail.

I was also wondering if the police were hoping to have progressed further with their investigations into accomplices, and might be making at least one more arrest in the coming weeks. And perhaps they might prefer GBC to be in jail in the lead up to that happening.

I guess we might know by tomorrow night what the verdict is on bail.

WOndering too, as there really is so many aspects to this that we don't know the details on.. your reasons could have something to them as could so many other angles, its hard to know without having the inside knowledge.

 

[BrissyLass]

Stranger things have happened...lol

Law firm secretary stole over $500k
June 15, 2012 08:00AM

A SECRETARY embezzled more than $500,000 while working for a chamber of Brisbane inner-city barristers to pay bills and support her family, a court has been told.

http://m.news.com.au/QLD/pg/0/fi1621226.htm

Touché Marlywings
She clearly was not one of the good ones