Art Harris article: Misty Cracks (changes story again)

[dodie20]

I don't know if it was ever reported before, but I always felt that Misty called her mother for advice that night. & I figured that's why cops kept arresting her & Hank. cuz who is a scared young girl gonna call? her mom. But, is this all that was said? IDK, because we don't have the phone records to see how long they talked. But Misty calling her mom is a bombshell, IMO, & it either points to her being scared & not guilty, or to Lisa being in on a cover-up...but that I don't really see. So, the puzzle pieces are quickly coming together now. Let's see if this is just another flurry of activity, that leads to nothing, or if this is the real deal. finally.

 

[1Chump]

When someone has changed their story 2017 times and pointed the finger everywhere from Cousin Joe, to brother Tommy, to mystery black drug dealers, to phantoms in the night..... at some point you have to step back and look at who the key witness has not pointed the finger at in almost two years. And that would be Ron and herself.

Misty has no way to absolve herself, she is protecting herself to her limited ability to do so.

A woman will protect her abuser at any cost. Until she admits the truth. But admitting the truth is not automatically freeing. An abuser convinces the woman that she is nothing without him. An abuser has used psychological warfare to literally brainwash her. She hears his words even when he is not there. Admitting it is the first step but it takes time to change those tapes playing in her head. So when she finally admits the truth, she hits rock bottom. She wants to curl up and die. Because she is nothing without him.

IMO, the only person who would put her on suicide watch is Ron. Her actions with her family when she was with Ron show that she is not mentally tied to them like she is to Ron.

IMO, she cracked. She also said talk to Tommy because Tommy can back up what she said.

 

[azwriter]

Okay so putting aside the reliability of Art Harris's story completely.

We have a claim that Misty has given an entirely new version

Tommy did it. She was there, she knows and Tommy knows.

That's it.

And that is resulted in roughly four pages of threads of how Ron has orchestrated it and how everyone else is inovled in the cover up some way.

Ron is now in prison for 15 years. Tommy is in Prison for 15 years. Tommy may fear Ron in prison, maybe, but what fear of Ron in Prison does Misty have. She is yet to be sentenced and she won't be housed with him.
So all of these "theories" that misty and tommy spin incorporate everyone and their dog in putnam county, but they have yet to accuse Ron. Yet most people here are convinced that he is the main organizer of this crime... and yet he is never pointed at or blamed by these rambling incoherenet ever changing stories.

Sure her mom said it was Ron she was most afraid of. That's one source.

Can someone explain this phenomena to me?

An entire family is so afraid of Ron (locked up for the next 15 years). That they run around in circles involving all of their siblings and making it worse for themselves and never ever point the finger at him?

That makes no sense people. If all of these people are cracking - the obvious answer is to throw the "bad" man to the wolves. The man who isn't related to you and the man already in jail.

I appreciate your thoughts and questions in your post. In the part BBM, maybe I can add something. I can plainly see where Misty would be fearful of Ron even while she will be serving time in another facility from him completely.

There's always the chance Ron's cousin, Hope, who was also sentenced to a prison stay for this drug crime, might be in the same facility as Misty. Or, there could be someone else close to Ron who is doing time in the same prison as Misty. There is no doubt in my mind that a person doing time in prison (such as Ron) has the ability to reach through the bars and arrange for a "pay back" to anyone they want to harm.

Jails and prison have a powerful grapevine. Crimes against inmates are carried out all the time. Prison is a scary place to begin with.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

I do believe the intense questioning of Misty did take place only because Levi had already said it did. A new pair of eyes is a really good thing here because they apparently need all the help they can get.

The informant to AH is most likely Misty's mother, Lisa, and I do not know just how truthful Misty might be with her. Lord help me if it is Grandma Flora! AH does make it sound as if he was given information by someone who supposedly saw and heard Misty shaking and crying, but I just do not believe anyone that was in the room would tell AH anything!

Misty is the one who stands to gain the most if she talks right now because she hasn't been sentenced yet. If she has ever told the truth in her entire life, now is the time. I do not care that Misty would do it only to save her own rear end; it would mean justice for Haleigh.

I hope Misty either did take a polygraph on Friday, or will take one in the next few days. Tommy needs to tell the truth also. He has had his chance and didn't, but if Misty talks and says he was involved, then he might as well. Man! I don't know.

I suppose AH will be on NG tomorrow excitedly quoting his 'sources close to the investigation'!

JMO

La, you are so right. The best thing these 2 can do right now for themselves, is come clean and tell the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Surely they can see they have been set up for the death of Haleigh by the real lying drug-dealing murder (whoever he/she is...

 

[azwriter]

And I would like to join that toast!

There's always room of one more, Lone. Bottoms Up!
:drink:

 

[Kat]

if you take into consideration that Ron had other crimes to cover-up, Tommy makes a lot of sense. But now that Ron is finally talking, & probably got immunity for those crimes, there's no need to not snitch. IDK for sure, but it's possible that Tommy benefitted by association, & not necessarily from loyalty. Also, except for the Joe did it story, Misty never said much about anybody. I think it's possible that she said what Ron told her to, then after she was arrested, started saying what Tommy told her to, & now for the 1st time,she is speaking for herself. But, is this a last ditch effort to avoid murder charges? maybe, maybe not.

That's interesting Dodie. I'm going to mull that for a bit

You know (just jumping off what you've said here, and I don't keep up with all the intricate ins and outs of the Croslins and Cummings so please bear with me, although I do try to read about Haleigh almost everyday--I just don't post a whole lot here) I thought about the murder charges.

Just thinking on the current story to have come out of Misty's mouth (which could all very well be more fabrication IMHO) and in relation to murder charges.

IF Misty had just called 911 when Haleigh died, and let the chips fall where they would---there wouldn't have been a murder charge IMHO. If she truly died of an accidental overdose whether by being given the drug or by ingesting it herself---of all the cases we've seen where this did happen---I'm lead to the conclusion---had Misty just called and sought help (even if the end result was still Haleigh's death) the charge would not have been murder. Homicide a good possibility, but she was 16 or 17 yrs old when Haleigh died that night IIRC (sorry this case has been going on so long I can't remember her exact age) and she was a minor without any prior offenses--if she were directly responsible for the act that killed Haleigh then she would have been arrested for the act and more than likely treated as a minor in the court systems.

But she didn't. Now, there are a lot of theories why she didn't do that and I don't subscribe to any particular one at this point in time to be honest for why she didn't.

Now, even if Haleigh's death was an accidental homicide, Misty could very well face murder charges because we are so late in the game if Haleigh is found it would be difficult to prove that Haleigh did die of an accidental overdose and they could very well charge her with Murder in the 1st or 2nd degree as an adult as opposed to charging her with homicide or aggravated child abuse as a minor. She rolled the dice and IMHO she is going to lose big time.

(Note: not addressing any else's involvement in this post because I clarity while sharing my thoughts on the consequences of MC's involvement)

All just my musings and MOO at this point in time.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

I don't know if it was ever reported before, but I always felt that Misty called her mother for advice that night. & I figured that's why cops kept arresting her & Hank. cuz who is a scared young girl gonna call? her mom. But, is this all that was said? IDK, because we don't have the phone records to see how long they talked. But Misty calling her mom is a bombshell, IMO, & it either points to her being scared & not guilty, or to Lisa being in on a cover-up...but that I don't really see. So, the puzzle pieces are quickly coming together now. Let's see if this is just another flurry of activity, that leads to nothing, or if this is the real deal. finally.

I get you dodie....who is a scared young girl gonna call? I am suspicious if there is a method to the madness of housing Hank Sr. in the same cell with WBG. Divide and conquer!!!!!!! I am hoping that is the stragedy LE is counting on at this time. OHHHH, if I could be a fly on the wall in the Palatka county jail...

Like you said dodie....let's see..but the puzzle pieces do seem to be coming together now. Justice for HaLeigh....It's time.

MOO

wm

 

[Nonni Brenda]

:banghead: I just don't buy it as it is being reported! Not saying Art is mis-reporting, just saying that parts are being left out by LE/Misty/Chelsea/Ronald/Tommy :banghead:
I still feel that Misty is covering for Ronald and in fear of him she is throwing Tommy under the bus. I do feel that Tommy did take part, but not as Misty has said or maybe this is just how it's being reported. Who knows what "MISTY REALLY TOLD LE"! Why else would Ron put a dead rat in Tommy's mail box? IMO, to remind him and Misty that if they open their mouth that is what the Croslin Family has coming to them. JMO :cow:

Why else would Ronald wait until after he got busted for drugs and faced many years behind bars to give LE information pertaining to his missing daughter? If Ronald had no involvement then why wait? Why make threats even from behind bars? They all know Ron will be out in 15yrs or less, do you really think the whole truth will be spilled? I don't because they fear Ronald. They feared him back in Feb 2009 and will fear him for life IMO. :cow:

I think the strategy from the SA could of went one of two ways. Could of made Misty mad enough to spill something to get her a lesser charge, but not enough in fear of what may happen to her and the family. Again, due to fear of Ronald and knowing he will be a free bird in no time. JMO :cow:

BBM

Madj, I agree with you 150%. Only, if I remember correctly, the story Misty told about someone standing in the back door, was Tommy, as Jo was leaving with Haleigh's body. May be wrong about that though.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Another thought about Misty referring back to "ask Tommy", may be due to, eventhough she knows what Tommy knows, she wants Tommy to be the one to tell it, so if there is any payback from RC, that payback will go to Tommy not her, as he will be the one to tell it. I think they both are so afraid of payback from RC. MOO

 

[impatientredhead]

A woman will protect her abuser at any cost. Until she admits the truth. But admitting the truth is not automatically freeing. An abuser convinces the woman that she is nothing without him. An abuser has used psychological warfare to literally brainwash her. She hears his words even when he is not there. Admitting it is the first step but it takes time to change those tapes playing in her head. So when she finally admits the truth, she hits rock bottom. She wants to curl up and die. Because she is nothing without him.

IMO, the only person who would put her on suicide watch is Ron. Her actions with her family when she was with Ron show that she is not mentally tied to them like she is to Ron.

IMO, she cracked. She also said talk to Tommy because Tommy can back up what she said.

I appreciate your point of view. I don't agree and do not see Misty as a love struck abuse victim and I have never seen Ron as the terrifying gangster that some like to portray him.

There have been many women with much more compelling cases of how they were abused, tortured, and threatened by the men that put them behind bars that all spoke out when a separated from their abusers and a defense attorney was there to say it is you or him.

IMO Misty is continuing to lie and continuing to throw any scenario she can out there because she is protecting herself. If she had the opportunity to clear her name and get out of jail she would have done so at anyone's expense.

She clearly would let Joe go to prison.
Tommy, Hope and Donna are all doing time.
I don't buy this star crossed love that is keeping her quiet, especially when she is on tape in the jail calls saying "why haven't they looked at Ron and his family".

 

[Nonni Brenda]

http://www.artharris.com/2010/09/26...es-story-not-cousin-joe-overstreet/#more-4836

Even Misty’s own mother doesn’t know who or what to believe, since Misty has changed her story several times since she first called Lisa and her father, Hank, about 3:30 a.m. the night she found Haleigh missing. She reached her parents in a hospital room in Gainesville, where Hank was semi-conscious, the victim of an accident involving a drunk driver.

“She said, she couldn’t find Haleigh,” Lisa told me in our first exclusive interview in the Spring of 2009 outside her home in Satsuma, Florida, and posted at The Bald Truth to illustrate where Misty’s tall tales begin, including the family scapegoat, cousin Joe, now exonerated by Misty.

“I said, ‘Misty, go through the trailer and look everywhere, look real hard,’ and she said, ‘The back door is wide open.’ I said, ‘Call the PO-lice right now, and that’s when she opened the back door and found Ronald, standing in the doorway.”

So I'm reading this that the inside back door was open and Misty says she opened probably the screen and there stood Ronald?

Didn't Ronald say they never used the back door? Why was he at the back door?



ETA Madj you and I were thinking the same thing. LOL

Grandmaj, this is bothering me too, but I believe that wherever this quote is from, it is a misquote. It would make sense if the word "back" wasn't there, meaning the front door. I believe, IIRC, Ron came to the front. not sure though....

 

[Nonni Brenda]

i believe that misty is begging tommy to tell the truth so she won't have to be the one to rat on ronald. This whole story stinks to high heaven. Why has ronald kept quiet for all these months if he knew that tommy was the one who killed haleigh? That makes no sense at all. He would have shouted it from the rooftops, not caring at all who got hurt. Sorry misty, if you are going to throw someone under the bus, please let it be the one who deserves to be there! wouldn't it be nice if tn and gms had to take ldt's? I firmly believe these two know exactly what went down with haleigh.

bbm...yes yes yes

 

[MADJGNLAW]

I appreciate your thoughts and questions in your post. In the part BBM, maybe I can add something. I can plainly see where Misty would be fearful of Ron even while she will be serving time in another facility from him completely.

There's always the chance Ron's cousin, Hope, who was also sentenced to a prison stay for this drug crime, might be in the same facility as Misty. Or, there could be someone else close to Ron who is doing time in the same prison as Misty. There is no doubt in my mind that a person doing time in prison (such as Ron) has the ability to reach through the bars and arrange for a "pay back" to anyone they want to harm. Jails and prison have a powerful grapevine. Crimes against inmates are carried out all the time. Prison is a scary place to begin with.

I agree 100% and that is why I don't think Misty will ever tell the whole truth. In fear of Ronald. My theory for today lol, since there have been so many stories as to what happen is that Misty was not at the MH and that is why she really can't say what happen to Haleigh.
Maybe Ron told her to go watch the kids and when she arrived they were not there, she was so drug-ed up she didn't realize Haleigh was not there, and maybe that is why she kept calling him? But he wouldn't answer, she has said this for a while now.
Maybe she found out after the fact what may of happen? What ever story that might of been.
Or maybe she knew what happen and had to follow Ron's or Someones script as to the events of that night. I still feel she was coached in that 911 call. That would explain why she has so many inconsistencies and why she may really not know where Haleigh is at. The person/'s who killed her and disposed her would know that. Just a thought...maybe she knows, but fears for her life in and out of jail just like Tommy. And lets not forget Tommy's kids and the rest of the Croslin family that is on the outside. Maybe the perp threated Misty and Tommy if they talked their family would pay...this is where that dead rat messaged would come to play IMO. :cow:

 

[Amster]

But...when did Misty become terrified of Ronald? She was out doping and doing nasties the days before....was she terrified then?

I think she became "terrified" after whatever happened to Haleigh, and she knew that Ronald held the "key" to her being implicated. That is still true, IMO. Which means to me that dear Ronald knows exactly what happened. Maybe, Ronald found a way to throw Misty under the bus without implicating himself. Thus the plea deal...thus Misty getting hysterical when told that Ronald betrayed her. Maybe she decided to tell the truth about Ronalds involvement and LE doesn't believe her. But, she has told Tommy what happened. Maybe she wants Tommy to back her up? Or, Tommy was there and knows on his own that Misty and Ronald are involved, also.

A person could go crazy trying to figure this out! :banghead:

 

[krkrjx]

So Tommy did it, huh?

My question now is: What exactly did Tommy do?

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Okay so putting aside the reliability of Art Harris's story completely.

We have a claim that Misty has given an entirely new version

Tommy did it. She was there, she knows and Tommy knows.

That's it.

And that is resulted in roughly four pages of threads of how Ron has orchestrated it and how everyone else is inovled in the cover up some way.

Ron is now in prison for 15 years. Tommy is in Prison for 15 years. Tommy may fear Ron in prison, maybe, but what fear of Ron in Prison does Misty have. She is yet to be sentenced and she won't be housed with him.

So all of these "theories" that misty and tommy spin incorporate everyone and their dog in putnam county, but they have yet to accuse Ron. Yet most people here are convinced that he is the main organizer of this crime... and yet he is never pointed at or blamed by these rambling incoherenet ever changing stories.

Sure her mom said it was Ron she was most afraid of. That's one source.

Can someone explain this phenomena to me?

An entire family is so afraid of Ron (locked up for the next 15 years). That they run around in circles involving all of their siblings and making it worse for themselves and never ever point the finger at him?

That makes no sense people. If all of these people are cracking - the obvious answer is to throw the "bad" man to the wolves. The man who isn't related to you and the man already in jail.

The bessst explanation I can muster up is... they ain't too bright. And.. we don't know ALL if what Misty has said this last interview.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

Levi will be on JVM and from what it seems so will Chelsea, so get your wine and cheese ready for some more crock out of Chelsea IMO. She lied on NG and IMO will Lie again tonight to a certain extent. I keep hearing the words that were used when LE said that they feel Haleigh is dead and they have "several POI", and one of them we would of never thought of. Who would that be? One of the grandmas maybe? Ron? Chelsea and Timmy?
We have had Misty, Tommy and Chelsea point the finger at Joe.
Now Misty is pointing the finger at Tommy as to "Knowing what all Happen, He took Haleigh". She didn't say why though, she just said he came to the MH and took her. What reason would he have to do so?
I question what happen to Haleigh before Tommy got there? Was Haleigh alive then? Was Misty there when Tommy came over?
Again, IMO Misty is to afraid to tell all, may of been to doped up, and that is why she is saying ask Tommy... She wants him to be the one to tell LE who really killed Haleigh so that she doesn't get the wrap for squealing. IMO, he was sent over there. Maybe by Ron? Who knows, I just wish LE would get the information they need and press charges already on the right POI's.

:cow:

"Snip" http://www.artharris.com/2010/09/26...es-story-not-cousin-joe-overstreet/#more-4836

Misty Croslin now claims it was Tommy Croslin, who came to the trailer that night, took Haleigh and fabricated the cousin Joe-machine gun story.

Then, my sources say, she told police Tommy pressured her to go along with it.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

IMO, people are reading too much into the Ratgate incident. Ron admitted he was testing Misty's loyalty to him so Ron's intention was to separate and isolate Misty from her family like he had previously done in his relationship with Crystal Sheffield.
The night Ron and Tommy got into a fight at AS, Misty denied she called Tommy because Misty didn't want Ronald to know she wanted to leave him and she lied to LE about Tommy's involvement. When Tommy appeared in Court, he did not speak up in his defense and tell his side of the story; he simply agreed to give Misty whatever she wanted. Hank Senior said he didn't want his daughter mad at him. After Ron divorced Misty, she filed a motion to have the RO lifted against Tommy and she moved back in time to celebrate her 18th Birthday. In January 2010, Misty met with LE and reported Tommy had stolen from his neighbors just before they got busted for drug trafficking. These charges against Tommy were dropped by LE because they couldn't prove it was him.

BBM... But we know Ron is a lier.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

So Tommy did it, huh?

My question now is: What exactly did Tommy do?

Thats what I would like to know, what reason would Tommy have to go to the MH and take Haleigh? I thought Misty and Tommy were getting high that night, IMO Haleigh and Jr. were not with Misty at that time. Was it not also reported that Ron had called Tommy at the Magnolia address? This is all way confusing, I feel sorry for all the good LE that are working on this case.
I also want to know why Tommy pressured her to go along with it. Go along with what and why? To me this says that something had already happen if she had to go along with it. JMO :cow:
To many holes in this article..:banghead:

Snip" http://www.artharris.com/2010/09/26/...eet/#more-4836

Misty Croslin now claims it was Tommy Croslin, who came to the trailer that night, took Haleigh and fabricated the cousin Joe-machine gun story.

Then, my sources say, she told police Tommy pressured her to go along with it.

 

[dodie20]

I appreciate your point of view. I don't agree and do not see Misty as a love struck abuse victim and I have never seen Ron as the terrifying gangster that some like to portray him.

There have been many women with much more compelling cases of how they were abused, tortured, and threatened by the men that put them behind bars that all spoke out when a separated from their abusers and a defense attorney was there to say it is you or him.

IMO Misty is continuing to lie and continuing to throw any scenario she can out there because she is protecting herself. If she had the opportunity to clear her name and get out of jail she would have done so at anyone's expense.

She clearly would let Joe go to prison.
Tommy, Hope and Donna are all doing time.
I don't buy this star crossed love that is keeping her quiet, especially when his family".

I agree with you, but I don't. I think Ron was an abuser, who preyed on young girls, but because of her early life, she was hardened & could 'handle it'. So, although I don't see her as meek & full of fear, I do see her as a victim, but I doubt she labeled herself a victim, but that doesn't make what Ron did, 'ok'. It just means that he picked his victims wisely. She probably saw herself in love & associates love with violence. just part of the game. With that said, I don't think she has been covering for Ron, out of fear. That doesn't make sense, & actually, if she covered for him, IMO, it was because of their 'ride or die' mentality. The same with him, if he was covering for her. But, if she covered for Tommy, that's a whole different scenario, because she had her parents & his kids to consider. But, until the 'Joe did it' stories came out, I never saw what looked like her covering for him.