Aruba - Natalee Holloway, 18, Oranjestad, 30 May 2005 #1

[georger]

[Peter denies that they were thrown out or that there was anything underhanded done by them.[/quote]

Who cares what deVries says! Everything he has ever done has blown up in his face - no wonder Joran threw him in wine. Joran sees him as a joke
and at this point I almost agree. The man and all his media nonsense is
ineffectual and counter-productive. Send him off to the Zombie Apokylypse in Las Vegas ... more his speed and leave the Joran affairs alone.

This is what I mean by not trying these matters in the media. This is
not the way professionals work. The extortion was obtained without deVries. Hopfully the rest can be obtained without deVries and his
media circus. I would issue a ban on him to the country of Peru if I
could - and bring these matters back to sanity and away from the media.
It was better when there was no media reporting!

 

[believe09]

WTH is she thinking? I suppose I would leave no stone unturned as well...if she can stop herself from belting him, she might as well give it a shot. I think he is going to play with her again.

 

[panthera]

I couldn't agree more. Beth seems to think she's the only one who's suffering by totally disregarding and putting herself before the suffering being endured gracefully by the Flores family.

What she did to Enrique is despicable! She's willing to sacriface his feelings and that of the entire Flores family for a TV show!!!...that's disgraceful!!!

MOO

I can understand her having a need to confront Joran, even if it includes going to the prison. But to invite a member of Stephany's family to the hotel, only for him to be greeted by reporters and cameras, is wrong, imo. Stephany's family has been beyond graceful in dealing with her death and extending their sympathy towards Natalee's family. MOO

 

[nums24]

This is funny. According to the Dutch TV video, yesterday was women's day at Castro Castro. Meaning sisters,wifes, girlfriends, other female relatives could visit. Peter de Vries cooked up the idea of smuggling Beth in during such a day. Beth just stood in line with the other Peruvian women and had a hidden camera. Apparently the director of the prison recognized De Vries and came outside to investigate. The way I understand, Beth did not get to see Joran, was sent back and was not arrested. Just questioned and then let go. The director raised heck with Peter de Vries though.

Thank you for translating!

 

[otto]

I couldn't agree more. Beth seems to think she's the only one who's suffering by totally disregarding and putting herself before the suffering being endured gracefully by the Flores family.

What she did to Enrique is despicable! She's willing to sacriface his feelings and that of the entire Flores family for a TV show!!!...that's disgraceful!!!

MOO

He was apparently invited to meet with Beth, and, when he arrived, the cameras were rolling and Beth was asking about the investigation into Stephany's murder. He must have been shocked. He may have been under the impression that this would be an opportunity to grieve together, to share their feelings of loss ...

 

[panthera]

He was apparently invited to meet with Beth, and, when he arrived, the cameras were rolling and Beth was asking about the investigation into Stephany's murder. He must have been shocked. He may have been under the impression that this would be an opportunity to grieve together, to share their feelings of loss ...

From what I heard in Jean Casarez's report earlier today, it seems Enrique was under the impression it was a one-to-one meeting with no media involved. MOO

 

[suzihawk]

Whew... I had a lot to catch up on here.

I'm literally torn in how I feel about the latest turn of events. As one who has lost a daughter at the hands of those that had no respect for either human life or the law, I can totally understand Beth's need to face the man who (IMO) took the life of her child. Unlike Beth, I had the luxury (if you will) of burying my child and knowing where she is, which brings a small measure of peace of mind. Beth doesn't have that.

Joran has taunted her for years and the fact remains that she still does not know whether her daughter is dead or alive. With his history, it's certainly a possibility that he may have participated in selling her into slavery. In that situation, would I - could I - just 'let it go' in order to move on with my life? I don't know. I cannot put myself in her shoes, nor would I ever want to. But I can't fault her for whatever path she chooses to deal with her own private hell this demon has put her through. She's never going to get the truth from him and she probably know that, but is she supposed to just throw up her hands and walk away?

That said, I don't think she made the best decision in going to Peru. I guess I blame Peter deVries more than her. Like someone said upthread, he's a Geraldo like media hound and I think he uses her for his own personal gain.

It's a tragic turn of events in a tragic case that seems to be never-ending.

Sigh... I need to step away for a bit...

 

[jilly]

Whew... I had a lot to catch up on here.

I'm literally torn in how I feel about the latest turn of events. As one who has lost a daughter at the hands of those that had no respect for either human life or the law, I can totally understand Beth's need to face the man who (IMO) took the life of her child. Unlike Beth, I had the luxury (if you will) of burying my child and knowing where she is, which brings a small measure of peace of mind. Beth doesn't have that.

Joran has taunted her for years and the fact remains that she still does not know whether her daughter is dead or alive. With his history, it's certainly a possibility that he may have participated in selling her into slavery. In that situation, would I - could I - just 'let it go' in order to move on with my life? I don't know. I cannot put myself in her shoes, nor would I ever want to. But I can't fault her for whatever path she chooses to deal with her own private hell this demon has put her through. She's never going to get the truth from him and she probably know that, but is she supposed to just throw up her hands and walk away?

That said, I don't think she made the best decision in going to Peru. I guess I blame Peter deVries more than her. Like someone said upthread, he's a Geraldo like media hound and I think he uses her for his own personal gain.

It's a tragic turn of events in a tragic case that seems to be never-ending.

Sigh... I need to step away for a bit...

I totally agree with you! I'm going back and forth on this too. I can see both sides.
Like you, I also dislike deVriies (AND van den Heuvel)! I agree with the Flores family - "soap opera" or tabloid journalism.

I just wish she'd discussed this with Kelly before she jetted off to meet deVries.

 

[annalia]

I think this writer truly gets it.

http://www.salon.com/news/crime/?story=/mwt/feature/2010/09/17/natalee_holloway_no_closure

"And could van der Sloot have said anything to Holloway-Twitty that would make the past five years better? What can make the loss of a child better? Logic says nothing, but the heart insists otherwise. That's why the tragedy of what happened to the Holloway family doesn't end with the disappearance of Natalee. It goes on every day that we human beings, in our primal, basic need for meaning and understanding, find no satisfaction. And it's devastating, because the price of having a soul is to cling to hope. And a person without one will never give it to you."

 

[suzihawk]

I think this writer truly gets it.

http://www.salon.com/news/crime/?story=/mwt/feature/2010/09/17/natalee_holloway_no_closure

"And could van der Sloot have said anything to Holloway-Twitty that would make the past five years better? What can make the loss of a child better? Logic says nothing, but the heart insists otherwise. That's why the tragedy of what happened to the Holloway family doesn't end with the disappearance of Natalee. It goes on every day that we human beings, in our primal, basic need for meaning and understanding, find no satisfaction. And it's devastating, because the price of having a soul is to cling to hope. And a person without one will never give it to you."

Yes... incredible insight. Also this...

"When life twists in ways horrible and senseless, we can't help that instinctive grasp for answers. And when none appear, we'll settle at least for some justice, a word or gesture that grants us permission to move on, or a moment to have our say. Any measure, if it might promise what is so tritely referred to as closure. Yet how often does life give us any of those things? Beth Holloway-Twitty's jailhouse confrontation -- replete with cameras ready to capture the longed for "aha" moment -- was painfully understandable. It was just as painfully futile."

Heart wrenching.

 

[CuriousTwo]

I can in no way relate to the pain that Beth or anyone in her situation is going through, and I pray that I never will. But, it's so sad to see Joran (directly or indirectly) continue to ruin her life and have such a negative effect on her well-being and frame of mind. What chance does she have to find some form of peace, if this continues? That, to me, is horrific!

 

[georger]

Whew... I had a lot to catch up on here.

I'm literally torn in how I feel about the latest turn of events. As one who has lost a daughter at the hands of those that had no respect for either human life or the law, I can totally understand Beth's need to face the man who (IMO) took the life of her child. Unlike Beth, I had the luxury (if you will) of burying my child and knowing where she is, which brings a small measure of peace of mind. Beth doesn't have that.

Joran has taunted her for years and the fact remains that she still does not know whether her daughter is dead or alive. With his history, it's certainly a possibility that he may have participated in selling her into slavery. In that situation, would I - could I - just 'let it go' in order to move on with my life? I don't know. I cannot put myself in her shoes, nor would I ever want to. But I can't fault her for whatever path she chooses to deal with her own private hell this demon has put her through. She's never going to get the truth from him and she probably know that, but is she supposed to just throw up her hands and walk away?

That said, I don't think she made the best decision in going to Peru. I guess I blame Peter deVries more than her. Like someone said upthread, he's a Geraldo like media hound and I think he uses her for his own personal gain.

It's a tragic turn of events in a tragic case that seems to be never-ending.

Sigh... I need to step away for a bit...

very* well said. Thanks.

 

[georger]

Yes... incredible insight. Also this...

"When life twists in ways horrible and senseless, we can't help that instinctive grasp for answers. And when none appear, we'll settle at least for some justice, a word or gesture that grants us permission to move on, or a moment to have our say. Any measure, if it might promise what is so tritely referred to as closure. Yet how often does life give us any of those things? Beth Holloway-Twitty's jailhouse confrontation -- replete with cameras ready to capture the longed for "aha" moment -- was painfully understandable. It was just as painfully futile."

Heart wrenching.

Ok Im going to try something here. Place yourself in the Flores' family
position. All they really know is their Stephany is gone tragically, by
some indefinable person Joran van der Sloot. The Holloway tragedy was
remote to them until now. Regardles of what they think of Beth right now they
now have more insight about Joran and what he was up to and the insight is disturbing!
Maybe now it will press harder on Joran as he is better defined ...

Its almost beyond words.

 

[nums24]

Beth Holloway is Back in Aruba
Reported by: Shanisty Myers
Last Update: 10:00 pm


http://www.cbs42.com/content/localn...-is-Back-in-Aruba/oizuEO6AMU-HO1SjmJxYKw.cspx

 

[hollyblue]

I can in no way relate to the pain that Beth or anyone in her situation is going through, and I pray that I never will. But, it's so sad to see Joran (directly or indirectly) continue to ruin her life and have such a negative effect on her well-being and frame of mind. What chance does she have to find some form of peace, if this continues? That, to me, is horrific!

I could understand her persuing him before he landed in Castro Castro, but to continue now ....it just may hurt her more. I'm afraid she will end up doing exactly what Joran was doing to her....and that scares me for her. Some may see that as justice for Joran, along with incarceration, but I don't want Beth turning into someone with a mind set like Joran.
It's so much easier said than done, but she has to let go, pay no attention and ignore the little bustard..with the exception of making sure he stays behind bars. He has successfully pushed her buttons, and manipulated her for a very long time....everytime she reacts she's giving him the power back instead of taking it away. But, no one can make her see that any more than she may think she can make Joran talk. My thoughts and prayers are with her and although I can't feel her heartache, it saddens me to see what she is going through.....

Trying to understand it......maybe there's something about him being behinds bars, finally, that triggered some thought or feeling of finite within her........I just don't know.

 

[hollyblue]

Beth Holloway is Back in Aruba
Reported by: Shanisty Myers
Last Update: 10:00 pm

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localn...-is-Back-in-Aruba/oizuEO6AMU-HO1SjmJxYKw.cspx

Report states they dont' know if de Vries was in Aruba or not, but you can clearly see him in the first pic at the airport. Is Anita in Aruba or in the Netherlands now?

 

[nums24]

Report states they dont' know if de Vries was in Aruba or not, but you can clearly see him in the first pic at the airport. Is Anita in Aruba or in the Netherlands now?

I have no idea, sorry.

 

[mikeysmommom]

I feel Beth did nothing wrong, she has every right to confront that .If what she did was against the law, then who ever permitted her within its walls should be the ones in trouble.The Florez sp? family have also lost a daughter because of this but at least they have their daughters body and know exactly what happened to her by his hands.Beth and her family have been told so many lies and still have not been able to find her body.IMO He is lucky it was just a camera she had hidden and not a 45.The mental anguish she and her family have endured is horrendous.I think it is heartless to bash her for what she did.I hope some one there saw exactly how much this Mother is hurting and at least beat the arrogance out of that smug psycho.

 

[Carrington]

The mother of missing American teen Natalee Holloway confronted suspect Joran Van der Sloot in a Peruvian prison after sneaking in with a Dutch journalist, local media reported Friday.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/09/17/holloways-mother-van-der-sloot-jail/?test=faces

 

[georger]

The mother of missing American teen Natalee Holloway confronted suspect Joran Van der Sloot in a Peruvian prison after sneaking in with a Dutch journalist, local media reported Friday.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/09/17/holloways-mother-van-der-sloot-jail/?test=faces

Under water remains photographed -

http://searchwarp.com/swa573584-New-Underwater-Discovery-Might-Be-Natalie-Holloway-Remains.htm