Aruba - Natalee Holloway, 18, Oranjestad, 30 May 2005 #1

[Melanie]

Wow - I didn't know that her father was still paying her health insurance.

I hate to see both parents dealing with this in the media vs. sitting down and talking about it.

Wishing them peace....

Mel

 

[twinkiesmom]

People in this situation generally converse via their lawyers and I'm sure the topic of insurance payments could have been negotiated.

They've been divorced 18 years and both of his children are or would be adults at this point...he probably doesn't have a divorce attorney anymore.....Dave's never given me the impression that he's a wealthy person with attorneys on retainer...The money is on the Twitty side. Beth's stay in Aruba was heroic, but she could afford to do that...He had to go back to his job when he did.

 

[Kat]

An attorney for Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway, sought the delay Friday because she could not attend the hearing due to a speech in California.

Probate Judge Alan King said she had more than two weeks' notice about the hearing.

http://www2.alabamas13.com/news/201...death-declaration-case-may-procee-ar-2454166/


Holloway's father, Dave Holloway, told Probate Judge Alan King that he wants his daughter declared dead because there is no evidence that she's still alive and he would like to use her $2,000 college fund to help her younger brother.


http://www.myfoxal.com/story/15533766/judge-rejects-delay-in-natalee-holloway-case

Dave Holloway asked for today's hearing to end medical insurance payments on Natalee and to give her college fund money to Natalee's brother.

Probate Judge Alan King’s ruling to allow the death petition to move forward, gives anyone 14 weeks to prove Natalee is still alive before becoming final.

http://www2.alabamas13.com/news/201...lee-holloway-can-be-declared-dead-ar-2455397/

This is more than likely the primary reason for death in absentia declaration.

Her brother deserves it IMHO. Too often the impact of the siblings of a missing child is forgotten by the media. This young man's life was irrevocably ripped apart by JVS as well. He not only lost a sister but he lost a lot from his Mother and Father too as they dealt with their grief, the media and JVS taunting. (just my humble opinion, this has torn Beth apart).

This really isn't that uncommon. I've seen it happen quite a bit in our archives of missing people. Even missing children.

I hope that Natalee's brother can use this money for college. It's there, no need to hold onto it.

I will keep them all in my thoughts.

 

[Trino]

I don't know how it would be possible to prove Natalie is still alive - don't recall any evidence that points in that direction.

 

[fran]

The Natalee Holloway case and all that's resulted is a tragedy, no matter what way one looks at it.

I can understand Beth wanting to hold on to the one sliver of hope, but Dave needs to move on too. Beth is doing her work in the name of Natalee. Now she needs to step aside for Dave and Natalee's brother and let them have some peace of mind. Beth can still have her belief and at the same time, release Dave from further financial burden for something she knows is useless, (maintaining Natallee's insurance premiums).

My thoughts are with all involved. So sad.

JMHO
fran

 

[21merc7]

I'm guessing Dave had to keep paying for insurance due to any divorce/custody papers. I understand his position, and I really understand Beth's. I don't ever want to be in their situation, but I don't know if my mind could take thinking my DD was dead until she was found that way. I really don't know, I think I would just lose my mind.

Just sad all the way around.

 

[MsFacetious]

His paying her medical insurance may have been part of the custody agreement after the divorce. By law, he may not have a choice.

Actually, I thought you were only responsible for paying a child's medical insurance until they were a certain age? Unless they are in school?

Like in most areas... it is cut off at 21... unless they are in school. Then it can continue until 25. Or something similar.

So either way, Natalee is not enrolled in school and has not been. He should have been able to petition the court under THAT basis to stop paying it.

Or, just to stop paying it because she is not using it... but agree in writing to start paying it again if she comes back alive.

Was he going to have to pay her medical insurance until she was 50? Until she married? Until she had kids? What was the cut off point here?


The college fund, I would think would be the same thing. I would think that at 24 years old... if the person has not yet enrolled in college... one could use that college fund but put into writing that IF the child decides to go to college that they will pay for it.


I wonder if he attempted to get orders changed before going this route?

I think that Beth accepts Natalee is dead on some level... but I think it's the way this happened that bothers her.

Then again... I'm the one who drives my kids 6 hours one way to see EX in laws I don't even like. So I'm not a good judge on the contentious relationship thing... because I haven't allowed a relationship to get to that point...

 

[mystified]

Maybe the $2,000. amount was for a burial policy? That would make more sense,imo.

 

[Nova]

Actually, I thought you were only responsible for paying a child's medical insurance until they were a certain age? Unless they are in school?

Like in most areas... it is cut off at 21... unless they are in school. Then it can continue until 25. Or something similar.

So either way, Natalee is not enrolled in school and has not been. He should have been able to petition the court under THAT basis to stop paying it.

Or, just to stop paying it because she is not using it... but agree in writing to start paying it again if she comes back alive.

Was he going to have to pay her medical insurance until she was 50? Until she married? Until she had kids? What was the cut off point here?


The college fund, I would think would be the same thing. I would think that at 24 years old... if the person has not yet enrolled in college... one could use that college fund but put into writing that IF the child decides to go to college that they will pay for it.


I wonder if he attempted to get orders changed before going this route?

I think that Beth accepts Natalee is dead on some level... but I think it's the way this happened that bothers her.

Then again... I'm the one who drives my kids 6 hours one way to see EX in laws I don't even like. So I'm not a good judge on the contentious relationship thing... because I haven't allowed a relationship to get to that point...

I'm sure you're right that there is some sort of age limit on the medical insurance requirement. But we have media reports that it is an issue in this case, so apparently Natalee wouldn't have reached it yet.

The $2K may have been put aside in an account that belongs to Natalee. So even if she doesn't use it for college, the funds revert to her (unless she is declared dead).

I realize I don't know Dave Holloway personally, but from everything we've seen of him publicly, I don't believe he would be taking this action gratuitously or maliciously. I could say the same about his ex-wife, so if she is still objecting, then I think it's because she was caught off-guard and/or just can't bear to put a final period on the idea that Natalee is dead.

 

[Kateyes]

By now Natalee would be 24, so even if DH had to pay for insurance, per the court ordered child support, it would have ended at the age of 22, or graduation from college. Most states do not go beyond the age of 22. So I guess the medical insurance payments are a little confusing to me. Whether for closure (is there such a thing, really) or for whatever reason, I cannot comment on the behavior of either DH or BHT. Their loss can only be grasped by someone else who has also lost a child. Thank God I am not one.

I followed this case closely since my daughter had just graduated from high school, and started her freshman year at the University of Alabama when Natalee would also have started. I clearly remember that DH was not in favor of the Aruba trip, and told BHT how he felt. Perhaps he still has to reconcile himself to that discrepancy re: Natalee. I truly have no idea whether DH and BHT communicated better before the tragedy.

 

[Nova]

By now Natalee would be 24, so even if DH had to pay for insurance, per the court ordered child support, it would have ended at the age of 22, or graduation from college. Most states do not go beyond the age of 22. So I guess the medical insurance payments are a little confusing to me. Whether for closure (is there such a thing, really) or for whatever reason, I cannot comment on the behavior of either DH or BHT. Their loss can only be grasped by someone else who has also lost a child. Thank God I am not one.

I followed this case closely since my daughter had just graduated from high school, and started her freshman year at the University of Alabama when Natalee would also have started. I clearly remember that DH was not in favor of the Aruba trip, and told BHT how he felt. Perhaps he still has to reconcile himself to that discrepancy re: Natalee. I truly have no idea whether DH and BHT communicated better before the tragedy.

I was surprised, too, that DH would still be paying for Natalee's health insurance at 24. Is it possible the new law that allows parents to keep kids on their policies until the kids are 26 and the way the divorce decree was written somehow combined so that DH is FORCED to cover NH until she is (i.e., would have been) 26?

Sorry. That was badly written. Let me try again. Imagine, for example, if the divorce agreement reads that Dave will insure Natalee until "(a) she becomes self-insured, or (b) she reaches an age where Dave's policy no longer covers her." If Dave's insurance now covers kids to age 26 because of the new law, then he is still paying premiums for his daughter.

 

[Hazel]

IMO, the person that I truly feel bad for is Stephanie's brother especially when he knocked on the door to Beth's room and was hit with lights and cameras.

This was all for a documentary and I am not happy about this at all!

I wholeheartledly agree with you Patt G! Doesn't seem he was told in advance they were expecting him with cameras, and that it was all just for a documentary!

He probably thought the mother of NH had arranged this meeting for them to get to know each other in person, something more personal, not for showbiz.

Thank goodness Stephany's parents were out of the country at the time, and were spared that bad experience.

 

[Hazel]

My bolding

I feel for Enrique as well. He should have been told ahead of time and not blindsided. That was wrong.

Agree! that was wrong! very wrong!

 

[Hazel]

I totally agree, PattyG. That was just wrong. Enrique doesn't want to compromise the investigation and after all, his sister was brutally murdered. There should be some respect for the Flores family. MOO

So glad to see so many people can make a distinction of what is right and wrong. Thank You!

Makes me very sad to see people making excuses for what is point blank wrong. Showing no care no respect for what this young man is going through is inexcusable IMO. No publicity stunt, no documentary justifies for those awkward moments this young man endured, being received by a camera instead of a big bear hug.

 

[Hazel]

Yes, when Beth and entourage arrived at the van der Sloot house the day after Natalee disappeared, Joran lied. Since that day, Beth has been after Joran, and Joran has been cashing in on it. They keep coming to each other, Beth knowing that she'll hear another lie, and Joran knowing that he'll get attention and money. It's a sad situation, one that Beth can put a stop to ... although at the same time, she's not ready to accept that she will not hear the answer she wants. After 5 years in this cycle, she needs to find some peace, and she'll never find that by repeatedly going to Joran.

Thanks again otto for coming in my rescue and summarizing events for me.
Two days into this case, and I already know that she's never going to get answers from him. She should know better after five years, no? What makes her keep going back to him, and trying the same old 'tricks' that she knows in advance are not going to bring any positive results? Something just doesn't add up.
I am starting to wonder what will happen the day NH is finally brought home?

 

[Hazel]

I can't even imagine knowing that a man murdered my child, got away with it and her body was never discovered.

That pain has to be so severe- you could die from a broken heart. If the worst she does is hound him for answers.........forever.........I wouldn't blame her for it regardless of whether I felt it was rational or not.

My feeling is this poor woman needs a good friend !! Desperately, urgently, now !
I think she has lost track of the right path to follow, and needs someone to show her the 'way'.
She keeps going in circles, she needs to stop and think, but think in a more assertive way.
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She needs to find peace within herself first and foremost.

Seems to me she is looking for revenge at this point, and that is consuming her.

All just my opinion, will keep on reading and see if I can have some more insights.

 

[Hazel]

Sometimes it helps a person who is enmeshed psychologically with an outside observation. Unless you've been in a simular situation and have dealt with such a person as Joran, and the volitility of it, it's hard to comprehend just how much this can affect and destroy a person. He's not rational. And she's seeking rational answers. What is this documentary going to do, or prove? That Joran is guilty of murder. We all think that already. Will it give her the answers she is seeking? What is the point? Really.
Think about it, if Peter is using her desparation, then she is allowing it within the realm of her thinking, and someone needs to bring it to her attention, no?

No one is disposable and the loss of a child is never forgettable. but a person has to move forward with their own life also in a positive way. Haunting Joran is not going to bring Natalee back nor bring the answers she's seeking. How long and how many times has she done this? Either she's not thinking rationally or there is another agenda. What's the other agenda and will it bring the answers she says she is seeking? Seems like a vicious cycle to me. I'd like to know your thoughts on what your think her agenda is at this point?

Excellent post holly! so glad to see so many people so in check with reality!!

 

[Hazel]

I'm not looking to blame anyone, I'm looking at this as two people doing some sort of unhealthy dance. Beth wants information that Joran may or may not have, and the obsession has consumed her life. Joran has nothing to lose, and everything to gain financially, so he has no reason to stop the dance. Beth, the mother of a missing woman, is not unique. There are many missing people, and many unresolved crimes. The suffering is endless. At some point, survivors have to find a way to find peace in their lives. Continuously confronting a suspect and continuously getting the same result does not seem healthy.

couldn't have said it better !

 

[Hazel]

That may be, but noone has the right to tell Beth to stop.:twocents:

I don't think is a matter of having the 'right' or not.

If you see someone about to jump a bridge, will you say, you don't have the right to stop that person, that that person is free to do whatever he wants to do?

We might not have the "right" to stop a person, but IMHO we have the moral obligation to help stop someone who is making the wrong decisions, specially if we know that person is hurting, just MOO. Costs nothing to lend a helping hand.

 

[Hazel]

My previous post was not to be critical or blame Beth. I just fear that she is doing herself more harm than good. She has to know that Joran is nothing but pure EVIL, EVIL, EVIL! He will never tell her or anyone else what happened to Natalee unless someone can persuade the CIA to torture the truth out of him. Joran enjoys the misery he causes Beth & I fear she's only feeding his enjoyment at the pain he has caused.

another awesome post!!