Aruba - Natalee Holloway, 18, Oranjestad, 30 May 2005 *AL extortion trial* *Guilty* #3

[mickey2942]

Federal extortion charges? So if he is convicted, he spends time in a cushy "club fed"? Was this really worth it?! He was sitting in a Peruvian prison, wasn't that justice?

 

[Niner]

Greta van Susteren speaks with WBRC after van der Sloot’s federal arraignment:

"van der Sloot is out of his comfort zone here in Alabama."

Greta Van Susteren speaks with WBRC after van der Sloot’s federal arraignment

Greta Van Susteren spoke to WBRC following the guilty plea of Joran van der Sloot Friday morning.

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WBRC Birmingham

In the article quote it says...
Greta Van Susteren spoke to WBRC following the guilty plea of Joran van der Sloot Friday morning.

But did he not plead NOT guilty?? or did I miss read that??!!

 

[MsBetsy]

In the article quote it says...
Greta Van Susteren spoke to WBRC following the guilty plea of Joran van der Sloot Friday morning.

But did he not plead NOT guilty?? or did I miss read that??!!

It can't be right. He plead not guilty as far as I've seen. You didn't misread it, though!

 

[Niner]

It can't be right. He plead not guilty as far as I've seen. You didn't misread it, though!

Thanks! I thought so...

 

[NuttMegg]

Greta van Susteren speaks with WBRC after van der Sloot’s federal arraignment:

"van der Sloot is out of his comfort zone here in Alabama."

Greta Van Susteren speaks with WBRC after van der Sloot’s federal arraignment

Greta Van Susteren spoke to WBRC following the guilty plea of Joran van der Sloot Friday morning.

www.wbrc.com

WBRC Birmingham

Uh. No he ain't. He's got 2 years in club fed (as said above), 3 hots and a cot, most likely internet, libraries, good American drinking water and federal hygiene standards, and a chance to work probably. Probably private accommodations, as Watts had at least for his first several years.

B Holloway is already on a roll, saying that Natalee's kidnapper and murderer is finally in the usa to serve justice. Link posted upthread, Daily Mail. What are the repercussions in America, of the plaintiff in a case publicly accusing the defendant of murder and kidnapping. When the charge is just extortion?

The prison near Lago Titicaca that he was in. Peru's worst, so it is said in that nation's press. You guys from the Western usa or pnw. Look at Mt Rainier. His old prison in Peru is perched right up there at the top of Mt Rainier, (14, 410') where bodies have to deal with much less O2. And where it freezes every night of the year.



Imo

 

[Seattle1]

Federal extortion charges? So if he is convicted, he spends time in a cushy "club fed"? Was this really worth it?! He was sitting in a Peruvian prison, wasn't that justice?

No, not how it works. He's only here temporarily (until sentencing in federal court) and will be returned to Peru to complete his sentence. Good chance he will die in federal custody. So yes, it's worth it --knowing he will spend his later years far away from his homeland, friends and family. JMO

 

[NuttMegg]

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[Seattle1]

Joran van der Sloot, key suspect in Natalee Holloway’s disappearance, pleads not guilty to extortion charges

Van der Sloot was arraigned before a federal judge in Birmingham, not far from the suburb where Holloway grew up, in his first court appearance in the case.

www.nbcnews.com

6/9/23

A 2001 treaty between Peru and the U.S. allows a suspect to be temporarily extradited to face trial in the other country.

[..]

Peru has agreed to let van der Sloot remain in U.S. custody until the Alabama case, including any appeal if he is convicted, is concluded, according to a resolution published in Peru’s federal register. U.S. authorities agree to return van der Sloot to Peru’s custody after that, the resolution states.

 

[arielilane]

Exhibits strength and is strong and an elegant lady; tenacity beyond belief and is so much more. No parent should have to go through what BH has been through. MOO



Beth Holloway thanked the public for their support after Joran van der Sloot's arraignment in Birmingham this morning.

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[arielilane]

Beth Holloway and I had lunch after we walked out of courthouse after watching Joran van der Sloot get attained in Alabama @NLintheUSA ( I wish the Dutch had not interfered but alas …we made it happen) and thank you FBI agents (Miami and Alabama)

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[NuttMegg]

Flash back

Natalee Holloway declared dead by judge six years after disappearance | US news | The Guardian

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[Ozoner]

Joran's father is already dead . . ..

Paulus van der Sloot died pretty young. I've always thought that Joran had something to do with that. I think that dear old Dad helped Joran conceal Natalee's body and that Joran thanked him later on by murdering him so that he couldn't reveal what he new.

All IMO.

 

[otto]

Uh. No he ain't. He's got 2 years in club fed (as said above), 3 hots and a cot, most likely internet, libraries, good American drinking water and federal hygiene standards, and a chance to work probably. Probably private accommodations, as Watts had at least for his first several years.

B Holloway is already on a roll, saying that Natalee's kidnapper and murderer is finally in the usa to serve justice. Link posted upthread, Daily Mail. What are the repercussions in America, of the plaintiff in a case publicly accusing the defendant of murder and kidnapping. When the charge is just extortion?

The prison near Lago Titicaca that he was in. Peru's worst, so it is said in that nation's press. You guys from the Western usa or pnw. Look at Mt Rainier. His old prison in Peru is perched right up there at the top of Mt Rainier, (14, 410') where bodies have to deal with much less O2. And where it freezes every night of the year.



Imo

I agree that B. Holloway and journalists should be careful with their claims. J. v.d.Sloot is not a suspect in the disappearance of Natalee. He is not in the USA to provide information about the murder of Natalee.

Natalee wasn't kidnapped. 18 year old Natalee hopped into a car with three people, including a 17 year old local honour student, and waved to friends as they drove away. No one knows what happened to Natalee.

He looks a bit shocked in the photos of his transfer from Peru to Alabama. After years of living in such harsh conditions, it will take time for him to feel human again.

 

[otto]

Paulus van der Sloot died pretty young. I've always thought that Joran had something to do with that. I think that dear old Dad helped Joran conceal Natalee's body and that Joran thanked him later on by murdering him so that he couldn't reveal what he new.

All IMO.

Joran's father died of a heart attack during a tennis game ... on the tennis court. Joran was not there and did not kill his father.

His father was a prosecutor and his mother was a teacher. If we're going to blame Joran's parents for Natalee's murder, why not blame his mother too? No reason to stop with accusing the prosecutor of being a murderer.

"The Van der Sloot family lives in Aruba, where the interview with Anita van der Sloot was conducted. She told the newspaper her son disappeared [to Peru using Holloway money] in mid-May, two days before he was scheduled to travel to the Netherlands for treatment in a mental institution. He left a note saying he was going to Peru, she said.​

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Van der Sloot had been travelling the world but returned to Aruba in February after his father, Paul, died of a heart attack while playing tennis."​

Murder suspect Van der Sloot 'sick in the head', mom says

Joran van der Sloot, the chief suspect in the murder of one woman and the disappearance of another, suffers mental problems, his mother was quoted Sunday as saying.

www.cp24.com

 

[otto]

According to Joran's family and one psychiatrist in the Netherlands, he was mentally ill in 2010. His family had arranged to have him admitted to a psychiatric institution in the Netherlands in May 2010, where he would likely have spent the remainder of his life.

Two days before a broke and broken Joran was scheduled to fly to the NL for treatment, B. Holloway gave him thousands of dollars. Her goal was not to stop Joran from hurting anyone else, but to get him to the USA to prosecute him for a new crime based on her sting operation.

Thanks to that sting operation, the gambling addict was provided money for airfare to Peru for gambling, which in turn allowed him to avoid the psychiatric institution. Without that money from Beth's sting operation, there would have been no murder in Peru.

Joran was mentally ill in 2010 at the time of the sting operation, so IMHO thirteen years of harsh, violent prison life will have left him with permanent mental illness. I doubt any USA Judge will take his mental illness into consideration, but is he in a position to aid in his defence?

Given the extraordinarily harsh prison conditions in Peru, can a USA Judge in good conscience send Joran back there? Can Joran appeal that conditional extradition? Can the NL government appeal to have him extradited to the NL for any reason?

 

[george14]

J. v.d.Sloot is not a suspect in the disappearance of Natalee.

He is the prime suspect

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

Even if she died because of some kind of accident, he still criminally covered it up and hid the corpse.

 

[Ozoner]

Even if she died because of some kind of accident, he still criminally covered it up.

IMO there no chance that it was an accident unless you call OD'ing on a date rape drug an accident. (That's just one of the possibilities.) I would still call that murder.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Natalee wasn't kidnapped. 18 year old Natalee hopped into a car with three people

It's alleged that J lied to gain her trust, claiming to be someone he wasn't. Also if she had been drinking as alleged, she wouldn't have been able to consent to being taken to an unknown location. Do you think their intention was to show her pretty scenery and then take her home? No, she was targeted for harm, in my opinion. She was a victim. He knew right from wrong, was sane, known to be violent, and targeted her. IMO.

 

[NuttMegg]

He is the prime suspect

He's not a suspect at all in the eyes of the law, re Natalee's death, disappearance, and B Holloway's very public unfounded accusations of murder, kidnapping and rape.

Had there been proof against JVDS that Aruba (Netherlands) had been hiding, our own state department would have worked that out, just as the us gov was involved in bringing JVDS to the usa to face the money-related charges.

Natalee was an adult, JVDS was a minor. Each made their own decisions that night. Is it bad for teens to let loose on senior vacations in a foreign country? Of course not. Was it wrong for JVDS and other Aruban boys to gravitate to Carlos and Charlie's bar to look for partying teens who arrived in Aruba literally by the hundreds every few days? Of course not. <modsnip>

I cringed at the nightly MSM show where accusations of gang rape and murder were constantly flowing, just because those young guys were foreigners, they could not have spoken of US teens like that. Heck, even on WS we can't accuse people of those crimes when they aren't LE- declared suspects.

I think JVDS's trial is in jeopardy because of the unfounded accusations against him, re crimes he is not accused of by the law. Not an atty here, but I can imagine some arguments for my client to have charges dismissed because a party closely affiliated with the prosecution is publically accusing my client of grave crimes that that are not even proven to have occurred at all.

<modsnip: victim blaming>

Another cringe-worthy meme being put out is that some how only B Holloway has fought for justice for her daughter...A mother never gave up!! I'd rather be reading how "Natalee's parents miss her desperately, and have worked endlessly to find her and bring her home.". Dave Holloway searched in Aruba for many months, even searching a stinking fetid tropical garbage dump by hand. His few TV appearances were respectful and factual. Yes, I think it's sad, and not right to imply that only one of NH's parents seek justice for her.

IMO