ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - #10

[LambChop]

She gave more details when she arrived home from her trip to Aruba but I dont have the link..it's very close as to what I stated above

But she also mentioned the witness here too

Paula RussoHelp Find Robyn Colson - Gardner : Missing in Aruba
I was looking back at one of the articles of robyn going missing and it says that the fisherman who saw GG and Robyn walk along the beach & drove away.. Now where did GG drive Robyn? where did he take her. Have aruban authorities issue a whole island wide search of Robyn?
Like · · October 9, 2011 at 3:59am via mobile ·

Help Find Robyn Colson - Gardner : Missing in Aruba The police said that story did not match up. It was a lie
October 9, 2011 at 3:41pm · Like

Help Find Robyn Colson - Gardner : Missing in Aruba As in its been debunked -CJ
October 9, 2011 at 3:42pm · Like

Carla King You're saying they did not drive away? This is what has been reported in all the media reports, that they were never seen to go in the water, and drove away.
October 9, 2011 at 11:45pm · Like

Help Find Robyn Colson - Gardner : Missing in Aruba no what i am saying is that this "person"...his story did not match up with dates and times.
October 10, 2011 at 9:34am · Like

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=259238594120081&id=230993886944552

It sounds like she is saying GG is lying. Why would she ask the questions bolded if the fisherman didn't have his story straight. The only person we have heard that has lied was GG. None of the witnesses a month after RG disappeared had been discredited, only GG. I also don't think any of the witnesses admitted seeing GG and RG two days in a row. Plus we have no proof GG took the car down onto the jetty on Monday, just that they appeared to have been walking around.

And doesn't it seem strange that they were there on Monday, at the same time of the day and they never went into the water. They come back the following day, have a late lunch and then go into the water, come out, RG cuts her toe and then goes back into the water with a bleeding toe. jmo

 

[Dushi]

It sounds like she is saying GG is lying. Why would she ask the questions bolded if the fisherman didn't have his story straight. The only person we have heard that has lied was GG. None of the witnesses a month after RG disappeared had been discredited, only GG. I also don't think any of the witnesses admitted seeing GG and RG two days in a row. Plus we have no proof GG took the car down onto the jetty on Monday, just that they appeared to have been walking around.

And doesn't it seem strange that they were there on Monday, at the same time of the day and they never went into the water. They come back the following day, have a late lunch and then go into the water, come out, RG cuts her toe and then goes back into the water with a bleeding toe. jmo

Pardon?

Where does it say anything about two days in a row?
It says the "person" had the dates wrong
This person had the dates and times wrong!!!!! Debunked
How could GG have the day wrong? He is the one who reported her missing
I doubt he would get monday and Tuesday mixed up, especially if this was his grand plan



I do not know where you have read that any witness story has been credited
I don't recall reading anything from LE stating that, only media reports

Why would SHE ask the questions??
What do you mean??

Paula and carla are asking CJ the questions

I guess you can interpret it any way that suits

 

[LambChop]

Pardon?

Where does it say anything about two days in a row?
It says the "person" had the dates wrong
This person had the dates and times wrong!!!!! Debunked
How could GG have the day wrong? He is the one who reported her missing
I doubt he would get monday and Tuesday mixed up, especially if this was his grand plan



I do not know where you have read that any witness story has been credited
I don't recall reading anything from LE stating that, only media reports

Why would SHE ask the questions??
What do you mean?g

Paula and carla are asking CJ the questions

I guess you can interpret it any way that suits

I'm not even sure we should be quoting facebook here because I don't think it is permitted in the regular threads because the information is so unreliable.

It is not at all clear what this person is talking about. I was going by what was said initially. So this information is not reliable at all since we have no idea what they are talking about or even who.

The reporter on GMA (the video of which has been posted many, many times here) stated that they were shown the statements given to LE about the witnesses stating they got into their rental car and left. What this person is reporting is not at all clear. jmo

 

[Dushi]

I'm not even sure we should be quoting facebook here because I don't think it is permitted in the regular threads because the information is so unreliable.

It is not at all clear what this person is talking about. I was going by what was said initially. So this information is not reliable at all since we have no idea what they are talking about or even who.

The reporter on GMA (the video of which has been posted many, many times here) stated that they were shown the statements given to LE about the witnesses stating they got into their rental car and left. What this person is reporting is not at all clear. jmo

OK Fair enough
We should not discuss anything that is unreliable
We will just pretend we never read it and move on

Probably shouldn't have been posted but it was and they are CJs words
It may not be clear to you, but as i said, its fine
Lets just forget it and move on to something reliable

 

[LambChop]

OK Fair enough
We should not discuss anything that is unreliable
We will just pretend we never read it and move on

Probably shouldn't have been posted but it was and they are CJs words
It may not be clear to you, but as i said, its fine
Lets just forget it and move on to something reliable

We can link, just can't post because it's considered rumor.

 

[Dushi]

We can link, just can't post because it's considered rumor.

I did not link or post any of the above so perhaps this should be addressed to someone else

Most of what is discussed here is rumour, some opinion and a few facts thrown in

I have no definitive answers which is why i am willing to look at everything and not throw the baby out with the bath water
Just because i don't have an answer does not mean it is not relevant to the discussion and should be dismissed

 

[LambChop]

I did not link or post any of the above so perhaps this should be addressed to someone else

Most of what is discussed here is rumour, some opinion and a few facts thrown in

I have no definitive answers which is why i am willing to look at everything and not throw the baby out with the bath water
Just because i don't have an answer does not mean it is not relevant to the discussion and should be dismissed

But the rules are...no facebook information will be posted and you can only link and unless it is reported by MSM it is to be considered a rumor. What is posted makes no sense compared to what has been reported by MSM. It's not even clear where this information is coming from?????? jmo

 

[Dushi]

But the rules are...no facebook information will be posted and you can only link and unless it is reported by MSM it is to be considered a rumor. What is posted makes no sense compared to what has been reported by MSM. It's not even clear where this information is coming from?????? jmo

OK Gotcha

 

[Dushi]

But the rules are...no facebook information will be posted and you can only link and unless it is reported by MSM it is to be considered a rumor. What is posted makes no sense compared to what has been reported by MSM. It's not even clear where this information is coming from?????? jmo

I expect that Blueskies was only trying to help when asked for a link and meant to ruffle no feathers
I also expect that she will read this discussion and get a clear picture

No need to continue down this path, its very clear
Have a great night

 

[Dushi]

We can link, just can't post because it's considered rumor.

Oh By the way

here the link

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...30993886944552

is that OK?

 

[LambChop]

I expect that Blueskies was only trying to help when asked for a link and meant to ruffle no feathers
I also expect that she will read this discussion and get a clear picture

No need to continue down this path, its very clear
Have a great night

No ruffle of feathers intended I'm sure. I think the rule is in place because facebook information is so often unreliable because they sometimes don't finish a sentence or trail off, plus we have no idea where this info is coming from and it's unclear, to me anyway, what exactly she was trying to say. jmo

 

[LambChop]

Oh By the way

here the link

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...30993886944552

is that OK?

Yep, I think the link is fine. Just can't discuss it as fact when it's not linked to MSM. I guess there was a problem on one of the other cases with twitter info being discussed and the thread was shut down and MODS had to clean up the mess and I'm thinking we don't want this thread shut down. jmo

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

I'm not even sure we should be quoting facebook here because I don't think it is permitted in the regular threads because the information is so unreliable.

LOL! In this case "unreliable " seems to ALSO apply to the MSM. Look how many times the MSM seemed to Get It Wrong, but that didn't stop many from continuing to state that information as fact.

It is not at all clear what this person is talking about. I was going by what was said initially. So this information is not reliable at all since we have no idea what they are talking about or even who.

Yes, like the report of the argument in the lobby--
>the GG going to take a nap following his report of the accidental drowning
>the beating in the car
> the buried alive in a dogs grave
>the Silva statement is still up for debate

The reporter on GMA (the video of which has been posted many, many times here) stated that they were shown the statements given to LE about the witnesses stating they got into their rental car and left. What this person is reporting is not at all clear. jmo

......They were GIVEN the statements by the witnesses does not negate those witness statements being discredited, just means the MSM were given a copy of the info that was given to them (ALE).

Point is--We know Facebook is not MSM, but if it is posted it is fair game to comment on---one would think, right? ......
Frankly it seems to me most of the information is up for questioning it's validity--- We have found a lot of erroneous statements also made by MSM in this particular case. As I mentioned before, perhaps it is a Aruba / U.S. gap in communication, maybe?

 

[LambChop]

LOL! In this case "unreliable " seems to ALSO apply to the MSM. Look how many times the MSM seemed to Get It Wrong, but that didn't stop many from continuing to state that information as fact.



Yes, like the report of the argument in the lobby--
>the GG going to take a nap following his report of the accidental drowning
>the beating in the car
> the buried alive in a dogs grave
>the Silva statement is still up for debate




......They were GIVEN the statements by the witnesses does not negate those witness statements being discredited, just means the MSM were given a copy of the info that was given to them (ALE).

Point is--We know Facebook is not MSM, but if it is posted it is fair game to comment on---one would think, right? ......
Frankly it seems to me most of the information is up for questioning it's validity--- We have found a lot of erroneous statements also made by MSM in this particular case. As I mentioned before, perhaps it is a Aruba / U.S. gap in communication, maybe?

Well the rules state MSM only. And yes there are times they get information incorrect but this has been stated by various articles and GMA about the witnesses. I don't think the Aruban authorities would have given GMA statements that they had not already verified. Witnesses statements are very important when they are consistent and it apppears from numerous reports that they are very consistent and do not agree with what GG has stated. It is possible there was another "fisherman" who had the information wrong, we just don't know that. We only know that 3 fishermen and a dive shop owner did have consistent info about them leaving. Those are documented.

Other than his lying and inconsistencies when he would retell his story it appears all they had were the witnesses which was probably one of the reasons for holding for that length of time. It certainly goes along with them not finding her body in that location, nor any signs of her snorkel equipment, her extensions to her hair (I would think that glue would have desolved pretty quickly in that water). jmo

 

[Elley Mae]

only strong suspicion is needed to hold in aruba not evidence, so just the fact that he was held says nothing to me, lots or people are suspicious.

 

[Dushi]

Well the rules state MSM only. And yes there are times they get information incorrect but this has been stated by various articles and GMA about the witnesses. I don't think the Aruban authorities would have given GMA statements that they had not already verified. Witnesses statements are very important when they are consistent and it apppears from numerous reports that they are very consistent and do not agree with what GG has stated. It is possible there was another "fisherman" who had the information wrong, we just don't know that. We only know that 3 fishermen and a dive shop owner did have consistent info about them leaving. Those are documented.
Other than his lying and inconsistencies when he would retell his story it appears all they had were the witnesses which was probably one of the reasons for holding for that length of time. It certainly goes along with them not finding her body in that location, nor any signs of her snorkel equipment, her extensions to her hair (I would think that glue would have desolved pretty quickly in that water). jmo

IMO, I am not convinced there are three fishermen

There are three slightly different stories
MSN often reports slight differences such as the dive shop owner seeing them on a rocky point which turns into a dirt road in another article
Are there two dive shop owners?

Not convinced at all JMO

 

[LambChop]

IMO, I am not convinced there are three fishermen

There are three slightly different stories
MSN often reports slight differences such as the dive shop owner seeing them on a rocky point which turns into a dirt road in another article
Are there two dive shop owners?

Not convinced at all JMO

It only takes two to discount his story to LE and we aren't even sure how many people saw them leave only that this is one of the reason LE does not believe RG did not drown in that location. The other reason is a lack of a body. If he lied about leaving he probably lied about her going into the water at that location. GG could have very easily changed his story to "well we left to find another location but changed our minds and drove back 10 minutes later." No one admits seeing him come back, only leaving and he will not change his story. Witnesses usually do not have a stake in

I know it is easy to make comments about the media but let's face it this is the only place the information on this case is coming from. LE is not giving much information out that is for sure. jmo

 

[LambChop]

only strong suspicion is needed to hold in aruba not evidence, so just the fact that he was held says nothing to me, lots or people are suspicious.

Witness statements are considered evidence. The fact that there were more than one documented statement that GG left is strong evidence that he lied about staying in that location to snorkel. You have to consider who has more to gain by giving a false statement. Certainly not the witnesses. Why would they all want to risk arrest for giving a false statement and lying to LE. jmo

 

[neesaki]

Pardon?

Where does it say anything about two days in a row?
It says the "person" had the dates wrong


This person had the dates and times wrong!!!!! Debunked
How could GG have the day wrong? He is the one who reported her missing
I doubt he would get monday and Tuesday mixed up, especially if this was his grand plan

I do not know where you have read that any witness story has been credited
I don't recall reading anything from LE stating that, only media reports

Why would SHE ask the questions??
What do you mean??

Paula and carla are asking CJ the questions

I guess you can interpret it any way that suits

It's clear to me that LC is simply saying that GG and Robyn went to the Rum Reef and the Baby Beach area two days in a row. That's something we've all known since the beginning.

Wherever CJ got her information, we have no idea if it is credible or truthful. That she says it's a "lie" is at least an exaggeration which is totally different than a mix up in the date, so it leads me to question her own veracity.

CJ returned home to MD acting as though she had all the answers by her actions, because she immediately announced that she was donating all of Robyn's belongings to a battered women's shelter :clap: as though she had had some sort of psychic epiphany while she was in Aruba, and magically had discovered all the answers. She got what she wanted out of her moment of fame on national television with her psychic friends, then basically declared Robyn dead. All I can say, is that her psychics must be really good, :lol:, so psychics, where is Robyn?

And is this

!!!!!

really necessary? Isn't that like screaming? Just askin'.

 

[Dushi]

Witness statements are considered evidence. The fact that there were more than one documented statement that GG left is strong evidence that he lied about staying in that location to snorkel. You have to consider who has more to gain by giving a false statement. Certainly not the witnesses. Why would they all want to risk arrest for giving a false statement and lying to LE. jmo

As you suggested up thread, Dive shop owner may have assumed snorkelling after hearing it from another source

I feel strongly that witness statements that were taken some time after the disappearance could be influenced by information in the media or gossip JMO