ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - #10

[Saracen]

I thought it was established that she was wearing the same dress both days

I remember seeing these pictures and there was a slight diffrernce.

 

[LambChop]

I remember seeing these pictures and there was a slight diffrernce.

One of the pictures where she is sitting at a table, the picture was taken in July in the US and the pattern is different.

Plus if her remains had been found it would not look good for her to be found in the other dress. jmo

 

[Saracen]

One of the pictures where she is sitting at a table, the picture was taken in July in the US and the pattern is different.


OK Lambchop I stand corrected:crazy:

 

[Saracen]

I wonder if anyone could give me some information, I know certain states in the USA have capital punishments ect;.would those states also have different levels of evidence before going ahead with charges against someone?..Say if this was committed in California or Texas?..

 

[neesaki]

I wonder if anyone could give me some information, I know certain states in the USA have capital punishments ect;.would those states also have different levels of evidence before going ahead with charges against someone?..Say if this was committed in California or Texas?..

Not in the case of a federal crime, but just say if a murder is committed in one state versus another, yes, each state has it's own state laws.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

That remark on national TV was unbelievable!!!
Why even say that after saying they were snorkelling?

Anyway, a kidnapping would have to have some benefit and would involve others

What would be GGs reasoning and how would others benefit

When I first heard that interview it seemed to me he was trying to put down Aruba (like it isn't the idyllic little island where Tourists are their main profit generating commodity). It is an island rift with a dark undercurrent "human trafficking and Cocaine. Not necessarily a possible way for Robyn to disappear. After all if he did have something to do with Human traffickers why would he call attention to it.

Whatever that line of thinking was--I would say it backfired, it just cannot be explained why he just threw that in there.

Also where was the information that It took him 1 1/2 hours to report her disappearance. I thought they left the restaurant around 4 P.M. and he reported it immediately after reaching shore, and realizing Robyn was not there?So from approx 4:15 to say 5:45 ,when he reached shore, they were in the water?

 

[Dushi]

When I first heard that interview it seemed to me he was trying to put down Aruba (like it isn't the idyllic little island where Tourists are their main profit generating commodity). It is an island rift with a dark undercurrent "human trafficking and Cocaine. Not necessarily a possible way for Robyn to disappear. After all if he did have something to do with Human traffickers why would he call attention to it.

Whatever that line of thinking was--I would say it backfired, it just cannot be explained why he just threw that in there.

Also where was the information that It took him 1 1/2 hours to report her disappearance. I thought they left the restaurant around 4 P.M. and he reported it immediately after reaching shore, and realizing Robyn was not there?So from approx 4:15 to say 5:45 ,when he reached shore, they were in the water?

The time stamp on the photo is 6:12 -- 4:12 p.m., less than two hours before Giordano returned to the restaurant to report that Gardner had disappeared.


law enforcement source said that Giordano, 50, is seen in surveillance video at 6:02 p.m. tapping on closed shutters of the bar seemingly making his presence known. At approximately 6:20 p.m. he went to the back kitchen of the bar and told someone to call police.



http://abcnews.go.com/International/robyn-gardner-photo-vanished-aruba/story?id=14361836

 

[LambChop]

The only reason for bringing this matter up, IMO, would be that after having spent 4 months in prison he knew they were looking for her remains to wash ashore and if they did not come ashore where he claimed she drowned but possibly where she actually went into the water he would have to explain how she got there when the currents were running in the opposite direction. Now the trafficing story would be the only way to explain how she went into the water at a different location.....such as a passing boat picked her up and she drowned while trying to escape. That is the only reason I can think of for him to even mention it. Since he was in jail with all types of criminals, drug trafficers included, I can imagine the stories he heard. jmo

 

[Micheline]

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Well, we can only speculate. She has vanished without a trace, and GG was the last one with her.

First GG claimed she drowned accidentally, which is highly questionable. Which brings in the murder theory and why he was held for four months in an Aruban prison.

Then on national television, he suggests she may have been taken by human traffickers. So that would bring in the kidnapping theory.

Regardless of which scenario, he was involved. jmo

Giordano never suggested Robyn may have been take by human traffickers, I am not sure why this keeps being repeated also in the media btw.

He said two main industries; human traffciking and cocaine... and then was interrupted.

Later he was asked why he had mentioned this, and he then replied that he had learned that it had occured that people who were dropped of at sea to swim to shore had drowned at the exact area where he claims Robyn drowned, that was what he was trying to say, not suggesting Robyn being kidnapped but other people drowing there aswell.

He also mentioned that ALE had told him there had been a boat there and that they were looking into that, upon which he had replied to not have seen any boat.

I do not see Giordano suggesting a kidnapping may have taken place at any point, nor that she may have been a victim of cocaine.
He mentioned these two things, for some reason the mentioning of the human trafficking has been picked out by the media as him suggesting Robyn was kidnapped, but the mentioning of cocaine is never adressed as him suggesting Robyn was a victim of cocaine, he never suggested either of these two things and even denied the claim of ALE of a boat having been there. IMO

 

[Micheline]

It has been 60 days since Giordano was released.

ALE wanted to keep him for another 30 days back in November, and probably after that for another 30 days (not sure but just assuming).

That would mean he would have had to be charged by now I suppose and facing a trial had the judge not ordered his release?

Does this mean ALE will ask for his extradtion any day now?

 

[LambChop]

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Giordano never suggested Robyn may have been take by human traffickers, I am not sure why this keeps being repeated also in the media btw.

He said two main industries; human traffciking and cocaine... and then was interrupted.

Later he was asked why he had mentioned this, and he then replied that he had learned that it had occured that people who were dropped of at sea to swim to shore had drowned at the exact area where he claims Robyn drowned, that was what he was trying to say, not suggesting Robyn being kidnapped but other people drowing there aswell.

He also mentioned that ALE had told him there had been a boat there and that they were looking into that, upon which he had replied to not have seen any boat.

I do not see Giordano suggesting a kidnapping may have taken place at any point, nor that she may have been a victim of cocaine.
He mentioned these two things, for some reason the mentioning of the human trafficking has been picked out by the media as him suggesting Robyn was kidnapped, but the mentioning of cocaine is never adressed as him suggesting Robyn was a victim of cocaine, he never suggested either of these two things and even denied the claim of ALE of a boat having been there. IMO

But the fisherman on the boat saw him and saw RG leave. I guess if GG had been in the water snorkeling he would have noticed the boat. My guess is the boat may have moved by the time he "entered" the water with his sneakers on around 6pm.

He brought up the two subjects on GMA, trafficing and cocaine for whatever reason. It seemed awkward for him to have done so as if what was his point.

GG can be extradited back to Aruba at any time. It is still an open case.

Something else that seems strange. GG claims they went into the water twice. You would think if his shoes and socks were that heavy that they were weighing him down he would have at least taken his socks off the second time he went into the water. jmo

 

[Micheline]

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well, we know that whatever happened, she was not wearing her dress as it was found at Nanki
I can only assume her bag and shoes are accounted for as there has been no reports about them missing

When the witnesses saw them leave, I guess we can also assume Robyn was wearing her dress

I would like to know why the same fishermen, or fisherman who remained there did not see GG return with a towel and her dress

I wonder about that too, him coming back with two towels, her dress and shoes and putting them on the beach with the risk of someone seeing him do so, I do not think it took place, but if people believe he went away with Robyn he must have come back with these items and could have been seen doing so.

That brings up another point, if he went away (going by that scenario) he must have taken his car, we know the car was parked at the side of the buildings on the day Robyn disappeared aswell as the day before.
If he went away with Robyn in the car, then anyone in the area, RumReef staff, JADS owner, anyone could have seen the car not being there anymore at some point and it being back around 6 pm.

Since Taco Stein has claimed from the beginning that he believes Robyn drowned, but Giordano having played a role in the drowing I assume Stein has a reason to believe this, for example if he knows for certain the car did not go anywhere after it was parker there at 3 pm.
There are security camera's at the buildings, if there are any in the front of JADS, then probably Giordano driving away and coming back an hour later could have been captured, but that footage not being released yet enough information for Stein to know Giordano never left the place.

Stein believing Robyn drowing at the spot (as he has mentioned while interviewed) also indicates he does believe Robyn and Giordano went into the sea there, and him not putting any credence in witnesses claming they never went into the sea.
I do not know why Stein has this theory of Robyn drowing but Giordano playing a role in it, but we have not seen all the statements of people who were at the area and if for example the car remained at the same spot the entire time. IMO

 

[Micheline]

It would have been significantly more solid evidence had they noticed the time of his return. The fact that three different fisherman saw them leave when GG claims they did not locks him into his statement as a lie. It's not just one-on-one. There are at least three that we are aware of.

You would have thought that when they visited the site the day before (Monday) GG would have realized it was not a good place to snorkel, or was it that it was a good place for someone to drown that he was concerned about. jmo

Can you please provide a link where it is mentioned three different fisherman saw them leave?
As far as I know only Silva made that claim 4 weeks after the fact, Silva a witness ALE was never interested in interviewing and who's claim does not have any value 4 weeks after the fact even more since he did not see Giordano coming back on his own carrying items and putting those on the beach, probably because that never occured. IMO

 

[Micheline]

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But the fisherman on the boat saw him and saw RG leave. I guess if GG had been in the water snorkeling he would have noticed the boat. My guess is the boat may have moved by the time he "entered" the water with his sneakers on around 6pm.
He brought up the two subjects on GMA, trafficing and cocaine for whatever reason. It seemed awkward for him to have done so as if what was his point.

GG can be extradited back to Aruba at any time. It is still an open case.

Something else that seems strange. GG claims they went into the water twice. You would think if his shoes and socks were that heavy that they were weighing him down he would have at least taken his socks off the second time he went into the water. jmo

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I am not aware of the story of fishermen on the boat who saw them leave, when/where was this reported? TIA

 

[LambChop]

The links are in this thread and the one previously and have been linked many, many times. You can also google them. We have been discussing this continously so if you check back in the previous thread they should all be there.

What would make GG statement more credible than 3 eye witnesses? Mr. Silva seemed very credible to me. My guess he was not interviewed by LE at the time because they were not aware he had seen anything. Just because someone did not get involved at the time does not mean they are not credible.


The car was not parked by the building after they left the restaurant. Mr. Silva said GG drove it down to the site where they supposedly went into the water. GG confirmed this also. jmo

 

[neesaki]

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Giordano never suggested Robyn may have been take by human traffickers, I am not sure why this keeps being repeated also in the media btw.

He said two main industries; human traffciking and cocaine... and then was interrupted.

Later he was asked why he had mentioned this, and he then replied that he had learned that it had occured that people who were dropped of at sea to swim to shore had drowned at the exact area where he claims Robyn drowned, that was what he was trying to say, not suggesting Robyn being kidnapped but other people drowing there aswell.

He also mentioned that ALE had told him there had been a boat there and that they were looking into that, upon which he had replied to not have seen any boat.

I do not see Giordano suggesting a kidnapping may have taken place at any point, nor that she may have been a victim of cocaine.
He mentioned these two things, for some reason the mentioning of the human trafficking has been picked out by the media as him suggesting Robyn was kidnapped, but the mentioning of cocaine is never adressed as him suggesting Robyn was a victim of cocaine, he never suggested either of these two things and even denied the claim of ALE of a boat having been there. IMO

Respectfully disagree for this reason: what reason would GG have for bringing it up at all if he wasn't trying to propose it as a theory of what happened. Why? Why even bring it up? :waiting: and TIA

 

[neesaki]

Can you please provide a link where it is mentioned three different fisherman saw them leave?
As far as I know only Silva made that claim 4 weeks after the fact, Silva a witness ALE was never interested in interviewing and who's claim does not have any value 4 weeks after the fact even more since he did not see Giordano coming back on his own carrying items and putting those on the beach, probably because that never occured. IMO

The various links have been previously posted, here, on these Robyn Gardner threads.

 

[Micheline]

The links are in this thread and the one previously and have been linked many, many times. You can also google them. We have been discussing this continously so if you check back in the previous thread they should all be there.

I have been following this case from the beginning, and never heard of the story of 3 fisherman saying they saw Giordano and Robyn leave.
Googling only brings fisherman Silva.

What would make GG statement more credible than 3 eye witnesses?

Again 3 eyewitnesses is new to me.
I have the feeling all the references to "fisherman" is one and the same man: Silva.

Mr. Silva seemed very credible to me. My guess he was not interviewed by LE at the time because they were not aware he had seen anything. Just because someone did not get involved at the time does not mean they are not credible.

This is supposed to be an eyewitness, he even claims he was present when the police was questioning Giordano, and he claims the police told him Giordano was to drunk, so he was there talking to the police, being an eyewitness from the moment Giordano and Robyn left the restaurant, yet police never bothered to interview him, that makes no sense.

The car was not parked by the building after they left the restaurant. Mr. Silva said GG drove it down to the site where they supposedly went into the water. GG confirmed this also. jmo

Silva did not say that (not that it matters what he said since he is not considered an eye witness by ALE). IMO

 

[neesaki]

I have been following this case from the beginning, and never heard of the story of 3 fisherman saying they saw Giordano and Robyn leave.
Googling only brings fisherman Silva.



Again 3 eyewitnesses is new to me.
I have the feeling all the references to "fisherman" is one and the same man: Silva.



This is supposed to be an eyewitness, he even claims he was present when the police was questioning Giordano, and he claims the police told him Giordano was to drunk, so he was there talking to the police, being an eyewitness from the moment Giordano and Robyn left the restaurant, yet police never bothered to interview him, that makes no sense.



Silva did not say that (not that it matters what he said since he is not considered an eye witness by ALE). IMO

BBM. Why do you believe that Silva, being one of the few eye witnesses, would not have been interviewed by ALE?

 

[vlpate]

Why did Giordano say "Rum Runner" instead of "Rum Reef" in his interview with Robin Roberts?

The Rum Runner was an old wooden Danish fishing boat converted for tourist cruises. When it was no longer serviceable, it was sunk. It is now a habitat for fish, lobster and turtles, with corals and beautiful anemones growing on the hull.

It's #28 on this map of "diving sites" in Aruba.

http://www.visitaruba.com/experience-aruba/attractions-and-activities/diving-spots-west-side/

It would be different if there were not an actual place to dive named Rum Runner. Has this area been searched?

Does anyone know how populated this area is?