ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - #10

[redheadedgal]

Giordano never suggested Robyn may have been take by human traffickers, I am not sure why this keeps being repeated also in the media btw.

so in your opinion, all the news services got it wrong?

b/c imo too, that was exactly what he was trying to imply... no-- he didn't outright say "robyn was taken by human traffickers" but it was definitely implied/suggested. do we really need to argue semantics?

later he must've realized how absurd that idea sounded (b/c he'd been saying she drowned for months) and recanted, backpedaled, retreated, aka changed his story... as he's done numerous times. nothing he says can be believed at this point (nor what he said back in the beginning of december lol).


http://abcnews.go.com/US/gary-giordano-idea-robyn-gardner-disappeared/story?id=15082774

Giordano told "GMA" last week that Gardner may have been kidnapped as part of a human trafficking crime.

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2011/12/05/giordano-under-scrutiny-missing-womans-case

One of the more interesting theories he put forth? That Gardner’s disappearance is the work of human traffickers.

 

[redheadedgal]

Why did Giordano say "Rum Runner" instead of "Rum Reef" in his interview with Robin Roberts?

It would be different if there were not an actual place to dive named Rum Runner. Has this area been searched?

vi-- i do have to commend you for your thinking here... good 1+1 !!

i just think since "rum runner" is a common phrase that was why GG misspoke...


OT: there was a bar here where i live called "rum runners" possibly b/c this area was used during prohibition to run alcohol across the international border. it suspiciously burned down years ago... possibly linked to gang activity iirc. good times!! (<--- the bar, not the fire or gangs lol)

 

[Dushi]

The fishermen.....

Sergio Silva told ABC's "Good Morning America" that he saw Gardner and Gary Giordano leaving the Rum Reef Bar & Grill in a rental car on Aug. 2, driving "in the wrong direction."

Later that evening, Silva says Giordano looked like he was drunk while he was speaking with police on the beach during the initial search for the missing tourist.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/26/robyn-gardner-fisherman_n_938285.html




But a fisherman said he saw the couple from his boat Aug. 2, when Gardner last was seen. They didn&#8217;t even get in the water, much less go snorkeling, the fisherman said, according to law enforcement sources. The couple left the beach together, according to the fisherman. That doesn&#8217;t match Giordano&#8217;s timeline, according to sources.

&#8220;That story has not been proven yet,&#8221; Solicitor General Taco Stein said. &#8220;It has not been anchored in reality, but if that statement, there is reality, it&#8217;s something that might change the path of the investigation.&#8221;

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/New-Search-New-Witness-in-Aruba-128207283.html


The fisherman claims the pair never went into the ocean and that after they drove off, he did not see them for the rest of the day


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Gardner-Aruba-murder-suspect-speaks-out.html



One fisherman?
Three fishermen?

 

[Elley Mae]

Where ever my sister and her husband go on a cruise or to an Island I still say to this day, When you have that "Rum Runner" on the beach think about me.

It's a drink

 

[LambChop]

Three fishermen according to articles:
One who initially came forward saw them leave but did not see them for the rest of the day.

Mr. Silva who did an ABC interview at the end of August and had not yet been interviewed who claimed he saw them leave and saw GG later being interviewed.

The fisherman on the boat who also saw them leave but was not interviewed right away but later.

Plus three witnesses who talked to GG when he reported her missing. They noticed his bathing suit was not wet, not dripping was if he just got out of the water and he had scratches on him. One on his neck/chin area and the other on his shin. jmo

 

[Dushi]

Its odd but at no time has the media linked three fishermen witnesses
Or said "another fisherman said" IIRC

Its always been "a fisherman or the fisherman
I makes me wonder if there is more than one fisherman witness

 

[Dushi]

It seems that it was here at WS during a discussion that it was suggested that there were at least two fishermen based on how the statements differed from one another

If anyone has a link from a media report, I would like to review it
I have not found one


The discussion about the fisherman is in thread #8

Somewhere around page 4

 

[vlpate]

Where ever my sister and her husband go on a cruise or to an Island I still say to this day, When you have that "Rum Runner" on the beach think about me.

It's a drink

He didn't use it in the context of a drink...on the Robin Roberts interview it is said at 2:22. It's also a place on the Island to dive.

 

[LambChop]

http://abcnews.go.com/International/robyn-gardner-photo-vanished-aruba/story?id=14361836

Second video in the article. At the bottom of the report it states "The witness says he was fishing on a beach on that day and he saw the two take a walk along the reef around 4 p.m., but they never went in the water.

A short time later, the couple drove away and he never saw either of them again, the witness says."

This was the first fisherman on the beach and he claimed he did not see them again.
Mr. Silva is the second fisherman and he was there when LE interviewed GG.
The fisherman on the boat makes three. He also saw them leave and he was interviewed. jmo

 

[concentric]

IMO - it still could be the case that Robyn was taken by human traffickers.

GG alludes to this being a possibility; but, he removes himself from any involvement.

Wasn't it said that someone in a boat could have extracted Robyn from the water where she went missing?

Thought this was interesting: I read a comment on a Human Trafficking site that in some countries beautiful women are kidnapped and used as sexual lures in assassinations.

Have to wonder if Robyn is still alive, but captive and used for a similar purpose? Also, what about Natalee?

 

[Dushi]

http://abcnews.go.com/International/robyn-gardner-photo-vanished-aruba/story?id=14361836

Second video in the article. At the bottom of the report it states "The witness says he was fishing on a beach on that day and he saw the two take a walk along the reef around 4 p.m., but they never went in the water.

A short time later, the couple drove away and he never saw either of them again, the witness says."

This was the first fisherman on the beach and he claimed he did not see them again.
Mr. Silva is the second fisherman and he was there when LE interviewed GG.
The fisherman on the boat makes three. He also saw them leave and he was interviewed. jmo

Thank you
So now we have a record for one fisherman on the beach and another in a boat

I don't see anything about a second fisherman on the beach other than different statements while being interviewed.
It is rather hard to tell as no name is mentioned

BTW did LE ever interview all of the fishermen?

 

[vlpate]

vi-- i do have to commend you for your thinking here... good 1+1 !!

i just think since "rum runner" is a common phrase that was why GG misspoke...


OT: there was a bar here where i live called "rum runners" possibly b/c this area was used during prohibition to run alcohol across the international border. it suspiciously burned down years ago... possibly linked to gang activity iirc. good times!! (<--- the bar, not the fire or gangs lol)

I'm sure there's all sorts of uses of the term "rum runner", I'd never heard it ... but there is an actual place on the island where divers go - and I'm wondering if the West side of the island was checked. Slip ups like this happen all the time and people are busted. Right after he says it, his voice is elevated when he says "Baby Beach", as if to cover.

It's probably nothing, but I'm still curious if they had any tips or searched that area.

 

[vlpate]

IMO - it still could be the case that Robyn was taken by human traffickers.

GG alludes to this being a possibility; but, he removes himself from any involvement.

Wasn't it said that someone in a boat could have extracted Robyn from the water where she went missing?

Thought this was interesting: I read a comment on a Human Trafficking site that in some countries beautiful women are kidnapped and used as sexual lures in assassinations.

Have to wonder if Robyn is still alive, but captive and used for a similar purpose? Also, what about Natalee?

BEM: I think someone said it with tongue-in-cheek.

 

[LambChop]

Thank you
So now we have a record for one fisherman on the beach and another in a boat

I don't see anything about a second fisherman on the beach other than different statements while being interviewed.
It is rather hard to tell as no name is mentioned

BTW did LE ever interview all of the fishermen?

The second fisherman on the beach was Mr. Silva.

 

[vlpate]

Thank you
So now we have a record for one fisherman on the beach and another in a boat

I don't see anything about a second fisherman on the beach other than different statements while being interviewed.
It is rather hard to tell as no name is mentioned

BTW did LE ever interview all of the fishermen?

Silva saw GG twice that day:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/26/robyn-gardner-fisherman_n_938285.html
"A fisherman in Aruba says he saw the man suspected of Robyn Gardner's disappearance driving erratically and appearing to be drunk on the day the American tourist vanished.

Sergio Silva told ABC's "Good Morning America" that he saw Gardner and Gary Giordano leaving the Rum Reef Bar & Grill in a rental car on Aug. 2, driving "in the wrong direction."

Later that evening, Silva says Giordano looked like he was drunk while he was speaking with police on the beach during the initial search for the missing tourist."

 

[Dushi]

The second fisherman on the beach was Mr. Silva.

What I am saying is I don't see it written anywhere that there were two fishermen on the beach that came forward
I have read about Mr Silva and I have also read (thank you) about the fisherman who was in the boat
I understand the witness comments are different from each other, but I can't find any link stating that there were two witnesses fishing on the beach
I have obviously missed it somewher along the way

 

[concentric]

Wasn't it said that someone in a boat could have extracted Robyn from the water where she went missing? QUOTE]
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IMO: And, where she went missing, may not have been where it was "claimed" she went missing.

 

[Dushi]

Wasn't it said that someone in a boat could have extracted Robyn from the water where she went missing? QUOTE]
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IMO: And, where she went missing, may not have been where it was "claimed" she went missing.

Excellent point

 

[LambChop]

http://abcnews.go.com/International/robyn-gardner-photo-vanished-aruba/story?id=14361836

Second video in the article. At the bottom of the report it states "The witness says he was fishing on a beach on that day and he saw the two take a walk along the reef around 4 p.m., but they never went in the water.

A short time later, the couple drove away and he never saw either of them again, the witness says."

This was the first fisherman on the beach and he claimed he did not see them again.
Mr. Silva is the second fisherman and he was there when LE interviewed GG.
The fisherman on the boat makes three. He also saw them leave and he was interviewed. jmo

Okay, I'll try this one more time. All of this is documented and I counted three.

1. Fisherman on the beach who claimed he saw them leave but did not see them the rest of the day. He was the first to be interviewed by LE and no name was provided.

2. Mr. Silva was on the beach fishing, he did see them leave and saw GG later being interviewed by LE.

3. The fishman on the boat who saw them leave in the car and LE was able to get his statement later. He was not interviewed intially but was interviewed later. LE was aware of the boat early on because they told GG about the boat which he speaks of in his GMA interview.

Plus interviews with 2 women and a man to spoke to GG after 6pm and claimed he had scratches on him plus his bathing suit was not wet, only that he appeared sweaty. You have to watch the second video, the one where Matt Gutman starts with the report. jmo

 

[Dushi]

Okay, I'll try this one more time. All of this is documented and I counted three.

1. Fisherman on the beach who claimed he saw them leave but did not see them the rest of the day. He was the first to be interviewed by LE and no name was provided.

2. Mr. Silva was on the beach fishing, he did see them leave and saw GG later being interviewed by LE.
3. The fishman on the boat who saw them leave in the car and LE was able to get his statement later. He was not interviewed intially but was interviewed later.

Plus interviews with 2 women and a man to spoke to GG after 6pm and claimed he had scratches on him plus his bathing suit was not wet. You have to watch the second video, the one where Matt Gutman starts with the report. jmo

LOL:crazy:
I do understand what you are writing, clearly
I am asking how do we know that they are not referring to the same witness on the beach