ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - #10

[helpfulcharlie]

re: NH and RG and human trafficking theory


clint van zandt --US army intelligence and 20 yr career with FBI including being a profiler who correctly profiled timothy mcveigh and the unibomber--does not believe either woman was trafficked.

fwiw.


http://www.wtop.com/?nid=41&sid=2657078
http://www.cbn.com/700club/guests/bios/ClintvanZandt110206.aspx

It's easy to imagine for a lot of people, because of all the hype about human trafficking over the past few years. And I frequently see people "go there" when looking at unsolved missing cases. But in my mind, if the person last seen with the missing subject is hinky in any way, that's where the focus should be set until otherwise cleared. And if their story is hinky as well, there's certainly a reason for that.

Sometimes I wish we had real "truth serum" drugs for these situations. Mandatory. As in, you're going to go into a room with these seasoned professionals, you'll be administered this drug, and we're going to find out everything you know about that missing person. Nothing else you mention there will ever leave the room, but we're either going to clear you or indict you in this room. I wouldn't want the use of this to spread to petty crimes or employment, but if someone is missing, that's more important than my privacy.

 

[LambChop]

It's easy to imagine for a lot of people, because of all the hype about human trafficking over the past few years. And I frequently see people "go there" when looking at unsolved missing cases. But in my mind, if the person last seen with the missing subject is hinky in any way, that's where the focus should be set until otherwise cleared. And if their story is hinky as well, there's certainly a reason for that.

Sometimes I wish we had real "truth serum" drugs for these situations. Mandatory. As in, you're going to go into a room with these seasoned professionals, you'll be administered this drug, and we're going to find out everything you know about that missing person. Nothing else you mention there will ever leave the room, but we're either going to clear you or indict you in this room. I wouldn't want the use of this to spread to petty crimes or employment, but if someone is missing, that's more important than my privacy.

Well, he could have arranged with JB to take a polygraph and kept it secret if he did not want it disclosed. He may have and it did not come out well. The very fact GG has not offered to tells me he is lying. jmo

 

[Elley Mae]

Well, he could have arranged with JB to take a polygraph and kept it secret if he did not want it disclosed. He may have and it did not come out well. The very fact GG has not offered to tells me he is lying. jmo

I would never take one voluntarily, I had to take them 25-30 years ago.

There is a reason they are not admissible in court,they are not accurate.

I think alot of the truth comes from the intimidation of the "machine" and the operator of the "machine". Oh and I was videotaped at the same time,just in case my eyes lied.

 

[neesaki]

But she has visited the island for years. GG and RG were only on a 3 or 4 day trip. If I am going to be somewhere for 4 days, I am not going to leave my luxury resort and spend two of those days in a desolate, rocky, ugly area where there is an ugly eyesore factory as my main view.[/QUOTE]
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BBM

Unless you told the victim that you needed to find isolated areas to film nude and/or erotic scenes.

From the beginning we have been discussing if this could have been the explanation given to Robyn--scouting locations.

I wonder what he told Robyn when he met with her while they were still in the states.

I'd really like to know if any outdoor "modeling" pics of Robyn were found on GG's camera, that may indicate where on the island GG took Robyn the day before or the day that she disappeared. All we have heard about are the disgusting "beyond pornographic" ones.

 

[LambChop]

I would never take one voluntarily, I had to take them 25-30 years ago.

There is a reason they are not admissible in court,they are not accurate.

I think alot of the truth comes from the intimidation of the "machine" and the operator of the "machine". Oh and I was videotaped at the same time,just in case my eyes lied.

It would have to be a good polygraph operator to do the testing. Not everyone is good at that readings because that is what it is, how the operator marks and reads the graph. If they are not good at it, well, you could get a bad result, or iffy. I don't think I would have a problem taking one as long as I had some control and it was not administered by LE. If I'm innocent, I really have nothing to hide.

If GG were innocent and controlled the questions such as, "Did they go snorkeling in that area? Did he get into trouble in the water because of his shoes? Did he notice she was not right behind him while he was swimming?" Those are all areas he talked about freely on GMA and GR interviews. He would know what questions were going to be so there are no surprises.

But I understand what you are saying. When you have a blood pressure problem and go to the doctors for a check up with some people their blood pressure automatically goes up when it's good normally. And if you know you are that type of person probably not a good idea to get tested. lol

 

[neesaki]

Could someone please tell me what a "sticky" is? TIA

 

[Saracen]

Could someone please tell me what a "sticky" is? TIA

Thanks, I was wondering the same thing, but didn't like to ask.:seeya:

 

[neesaki]

As far as that white Hyundai Getz that was seen in the surveillance camera, the rental car companies should have records including contact information of all renters. I would hope that ALE would have obtained all of this information pretty quickly and would have already contacted everyone who had rented a white Hyundai Getz during this time frame to found out if they had witnessed anything, etc. That just doesn't sound like it would be hard to accomplish, but then I am often wrong about many things.

 

[neesaki]

So many lies and liars in this case it's hard to know what is fact. What I can tell you is ALL the National Enquirer articles are totally bogus as well as most of what Carla Baron reported in her blog. Someone very high up in the LE told me there was NO hand off of thousands of dollars to Richard Forester at the airport. There is no cctv footage of this exchange of money and no proof whatsoever Robyn was a paid escort.

You can come to your own conclusions why Taco Stein lied on national tv about there being no blood evidence in this case. Just weeks later blood samples found on a towel and Robyns Ipad were sent to the NFI in Holland for testing according to ABC and other media. According to those article's it was two months later because of budget cuts.

Truth is dogs and a professional search team was ready to be deployed to Aruba very early in the case at not cost to Aruba and it was denied. It wasn't until 2 months later that a Dutch team with dogs were deployed and sadly it was far too late to find Robyns scent or any clues. Taco Stein was quoted as saying the Dutch team had left the island after a few days of searching but if you read the personal blog of the Dutch search team they stayed two days after this conducting searches. Either way not allowing bloodhounds by the FBI or scent/cadaver dogs from the US in the very beginning is inconceivable.

Only one report came from a supposed witness that Robyns dress was found..She claimed she found it odd as it was far away from the two towels. Sorry,I dont have a link I believe it was ABC news.

It is concerning that they did not bring in search dogs early in this case. They possibly could have picked up Robyn's scent wherever she had been during that day she disappeared. Who knows, may have led ALE straight to one of those cliffs on the coast.

And maybe the dogs hit on more than dog bones in the pet cemetery. Maybe Robyn had been lying there, then was moved.

 

[neesaki]

It's easy to imagine for a lot of people, because of all the hype about human trafficking over the past few years. And I frequently see people "go there" when looking at unsolved missing cases. But in my mind, if the person last seen with the missing subject is hinky in any way, that's where the focus should be set until otherwise cleared. And if their story is hinky as well, there's certainly a reason for that.

Sometimes I wish we had real "truth serum" drugs for these situations. Mandatory. As in, you're going to go into a room with these seasoned professionals, you'll be administered this drug, and we're going to find out everything you know about that missing person. Nothing else you mention there will ever leave the room, but we're either going to clear you or indict you in this room. I wouldn't want the use of this to spread to petty crimes or employment, but if someone is missing, that's more important than my privacy.

Hmmm, :idea: maybe someone could slip a little truth serum into GG's blue cup of juice, lol.

 

[thumbtack]

Could someone please tell me what a "sticky" is? TIA

A sticky is supposed to be for important info according to the FAQ on this site, so not sure why this is here. Maybe the moderators want to keep a closer watch on this thread? No clue.

 

[thumbtack]

It's kinda funny that the "important" info is what we all skip over

 

[redheadedgal]

re: sticky

if you look at this link, you'll see the stickies for this missing forum at the top of the page...

Missing Forum Discussion - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[LambChop]

I think initially they were concentrating on the area where GG said they went into the water. The two other witnesses Silva and the fisherman on the boat gave statements at the end of August, so now there are other statements to verify that they did not go into the water, at least not at 4:30 as GG claimed. At that point they started searching out towards the cliffs. And I believe this was after the story of the pet cemetary incident which came out in the NE. It is possible, too, that GG may have said something in one of his interviews that lead them to believe he did leave the area. They questioned him daily for hours so it is possible an investigator might have asked him if he went up towards the cliffs and his answer lead them to believe he was lying.

Aruba is different than the US. Once you invoke your rights in Aruba they can still question you and obviously they did, daily. jmo

 

[vlpate]

A little information on some of her belongings...

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Was Robyn using her ipad To send messages on August 2?

I knew they had her iPad, but I didn't know they had her blackberry.

Back to her dress for a minute - I've read a few articles this morning and all indicate ALE had to use surveillance video and pictures of RG to use for the re-enactment. This indicates, to me anyway, that they did not have her dress in evidence. JMO.

 

[LambChop]

I knew they had her iPad, but I didn't know they had her blackberry.

Back to her dress for a minute - I've read a few articles this morning and all indicate ALE had to use surveillance video and pictures of RG to use for the re-enactment. This indicates, to me anyway, that they did not have her dress in evidence. JMO.

I wonder if the dress went home with her belongings when her Mom flew back home. I would think they'd have turned her personal items over to her mother. Her shoes, jewelry, etc. have not been mentioned. Only the pills, her phone and iPad. jmo

 

[LambChop]

Let me say this. I think that many feel Aruba should be on the ball in terms of this crime as if it were any city in the US. The island of Aruba can not be compared to any major city in the US in terms of crime. I'd say they have very few murders and while some petty crimes may be similiar the number of arrests would not be comparable. They are usually dealing with tourists coming in and having a good time, some have too good a time that might require some intervention from LE but they are pretty good about handling tourists. This case is something they are not use to handling, and I'm not saying they can't handle it, it's just not an every day occurrence for them. The fact that they asked the FBI for help with this investigation shows they were being careful. jmo

 

[concentric]

Greed works the same way, imo.

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I've learned so much about how greedy people operate by watching episodes of:

American Greed, on CNBC.

 

[vlpate]

I realize this is from 9/11, but it was new to me and might be new to someone else....

Baez states in this video that RG had life travel insurance on GG as well. News to me - news to Gutman - probably news to Giordano. Their mutual insurance works a bit differently - if something happened to Robyn, GG would benefit - if something had happened to Giordano, RG would not have benefited, GG's mother would.

Jose explains it all to Matt Gutman (Arubian?)....

Robyn Gardner Also Bought Insurance Policy, Suspect's Lawyer Claims (scroll down to video by Matt Gutman on left of article)
""Yes, the two of them had policies on each other," Jose Baez, the newly hired defense attorney for Giordano said today on "Good Morning America." "Now, of course, since Gary was paying for the trip, Gary was the beneficiary of Robyn's policy."


*just a note, see the text under the first video on this link "Jose Baez, Attorney Extraordinaire" Please... tell me that Baez doesn't have a "special" relationship with ABC.

 

[concentric]

It's easy to imagine for a lot of people, because of all the hype about human trafficking over the past few years. And I frequently see people "go there" when looking at unsolved missing cases. But in my mind, if the person last seen with the missing subject is hinky in any way, that's where the focus should be set until otherwise cleared. And if their story is hinky as well, there's certainly a reason for that.

Sometimes I wish we had real "truth serum" drugs for these situations. Mandatory. As in, you're going to go into a room with these seasoned professionals, you'll be administered this drug, and we're going to find out everything you know about that missing person. Nothing else you mention there will ever leave the room, but we're either going to clear you or indict you in this room. I wouldn't want the use of this to spread to petty crimes or employment, but if someone is missing, that's more important than my privacy.

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I learned about Brain Fingerprinting many years ago, but I don't know if it is applicable yet to these types of cases, because they need more evidence,

or if there is just such a huge backlog or expense that they can't get to them all:


Brain fingerprinting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Brain Fingerprinting is a controversial forensic science technique that uses electroencephalography (EEG) to determine whether specific information is stored in a subject&#8217;s brain. It does this by measuring electrical brainwave responses to words, phrases, or pictures that are presented on a computer screen (Farwell & Smith 2001).