ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - #10

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  • #461
Didn't RG's roommate say she would show up after being gone for a few days with bruises and would not say how she got them or who she was with. And didn't she have a broken arm once and would not explain how she broke it. RG seems to have been drawn to abusive relationships. jmo
 
  • #462
Actually there has been a problem with leaks in this case and both the FBI and the OM in Aruba were not happy about it. Stein even mentioned that people may be fired over it..You most definetly have to take what you read in certain newspapers and certain talk show hosts like NG with a grain of salt.

As you guy's know from your great research of all these newspaper articles you can find valuable information. Especially articles from papers like Diario or Amigoe who know many involved that are investigating the case personally. Some times you will see them print information that isn't found anywhere else

IF Geraldo or anyone else that interviewed Giordano knew what you do about this case and did any research at all...They would have asked why a experienced diver was snorkeling with shock and shoes on. Or why was he stating that was his first time at Baby Beach when we all know he was there the day before!
 
  • #463
Thats right. Certainly if he put her hands on her throat and threatened to kill her that would something out of the ordinary..lol

Did you get a chance to see the NE article and the picture they showed? It looked nothing like Robyn and Giordano.

Have you followed the NE articles about Van Der Sloot at the Castro Castro prison the last year? They put into print at least 6 articles that had no truth to them at all..A couple of them involved escape attempts,another involved him being someones prison ***** and yet another claimed that Joran paid someone to stab another inmate. Again none of these were true

What they didn't report was him fathering a child in the prison which i am told is true.

Blueskies,

When that article came out in the NE, I mentioned it in one of my posts. I also noted it said the photo was "a reenactment of what happened", not the actual footage. There never was any footage of that incident, at least to my knowledge.

I agree with the stories you have labeled "rumors". Most of these came out in the very beginning before GG was released and interviewed on Dateline. IMO the media printed many rumors as fact. In this case I have found myself believing "interviews" only, where I can SEE and hear for myself.:dunno:
 
  • #464
Thats right. Certainly if he put her hands on her throat and threatened to kill her that would something out of the ordinary..lol

Did you get a chance to see the NE article and the picture they showed? It looked nothing like Robyn and Giordano.

Have you followed the NE articles about Van Der Sloot at the Castro Castro prison the last year? They put into print at least 6 articles that had no truth to them at all..A couple of them involved escape attempts,another involved him being someones prison ***** and yet another claimed that Joran paid someone to stab another inmate. Again none of these were true

What they didn't report was him fathering a child in the prison which i am told is true.

Yes, I have followed the VDS case fairly closely. The photos of RG and GG were a staged re-enactment by them from what I understand. I am not claiming that the NE is a reliable news source by any means. My point was that I'm surprised that NG reported this elevator incident as fact, and I have never heard her report as fact anything from the NE before. So I am allowing room for an assumption that she may have had other information to back it up. Unless, it just occurred to me, she later recanted that report, maybe I should look that up. That would go a long ways in convincing me.

The thing for me is that "unusual" is a rather vague and subjective term. Also, we do not know what ALE is going to choose to reveal or not reveal to the public. If they really need a smoking gun, i.e., eye witness, blood evidence, DNA evidence, in order to indict someone for murder, even grabbing someone by the throat and making a verbal threat may not be enough. So maybe it is to their advantage to claim it never happened even if it did.

I don't think the video would have shown what they were saying anyway , so I suppose that is a moot point.

Suffice it to say, that at this stage of the game, especially after the NH case, I need verification of pretty much any claims made by ALE when they have a serious POI they were able to hold for four months, then allowed him to leave the island and return to the states where they know it will be very, very difficult to get him extradited back to Aruba. JMO
 
  • #465
Actually there has been a problem with leaks in this case and both the FBI and the OM in Aruba were not happy about it. Stein even mentioned that people may be fired over it..You most definetly have to take what you read in certain newspapers and certain talk show hosts like NG with a grain of salt.

As you guy's know from your great research of all these newspaper articles you can find valuable information. Especially articles from papers like Diario or Amigoe who know many involved that are investigating the case personally. Some times you will see them print information that isn't found anywhere else

IF Geraldo or anyone else that interviewed Giordano knew what you do about this case and did any research at all...They would have asked why a experienced diver was snorkeling with shock and shoes on. Or why was he stating that was his first time at Baby Beach when we all know he was there the day before!

I find it interesting that of all the interviews done, none of the interviewers asked GG any of the tough questions. I personally think they were given a script to follow for the most part, provided at the courtesy of JB, and they were not allowed to ask any of the questions that really need to be answered. JMO
 
  • #466
Blueskies,

When that article came out in the NE, I mentioned it in one of my posts. I also noted it said the photo was "a reenactment of what happened", not the actual footage. There never was any footage of that incident, at least to my knowledge.

I agree with the stories you have labeled "rumors". Most of these came out in the very beginning before GG was released and interviewed on Dateline. IMO the media printed many rumors as fact. In this case I have found myself believing "interviews" only, where I can SEE and hear for myself.:dunno:

Well, I personally could never use what GG claims in the interviews as proof of fact versus rumor, far from it. And if the media printed many rumors as fact, pretty much this entire forum is based on rumors, and I hate to think it's all just been one long fictitious tale we've all been engaged in for the past six months. But then, tjmo. :wave:
 
  • #467
I find it interesting that of all the interviews done, none of the interviewers asked GG any of the tough questions. I personally think they were given a script to follow for the most part, provided at the courtesy of JB, and they were not allowed to ask any of the questions that really need to be answered. JMO

I am sure you are right about that
 
  • #468
Yes, I have followed the VDS case fairly closely. The photos of RG and GG were a staged re-enactment by them from what I understand. I am not claiming that the NE is a reliable news source by any means. My point was that I'm surprised that NG reported this elevator incident as fact, and I have never heard her report as fact anything from the NE before. So I am allowing room for an assumption that she may have had other information to back it up. Unless, it just occurred to me, she later recanted that report, maybe I should look that up. That would go a long ways in convincing me.

The thing for me is that "unusual" is a rather vague and subjective term. Also, we do not know what ALE is going to choose to reveal or not reveal to the public. If they really need a smoking gun, i.e., eye witness, blood evidence, DNA evidence, in order to indict someone for murder, even grabbing someone by the throat and making a verbal threat may not be enough. So maybe it is to their advantage to claim it never happened even if it did.

I don't think the video would have shown what they were saying anyway , so I suppose that is a moot point.

Suffice it to say, that at this stage of the game, especially after the NH case, I need verification of pretty much any claims made by ALE when they have a serious POI they were able to hold for four months, then allowed him to leave the island and return to the states where they know it will be very, very difficult to get him extradited back to Aruba. JMO

Why would you say it will be very, very difficult to get him back to Aruba. US has an extradition agreement with Aruba. He would go right back. Plus there was enough probable cause for the FBI to get a warrant right away to search GG's residence. And JB stated his client would go back and not fight the exptradition so he is on record for that. GG would have no choice in the matter. jmo
 
  • #469
Why would you say it will be very, very difficult to get him back to Aruba. US has an extradition agreement with Aruba. He would go right back. Plus there was enough probable cause for the FBI to get a warrant right away to search GG's residence. And JB stated his client would go back and not fight the exptradition so he is on record for that. GG would have no choice in the matter. jmo

Did they search his US home before he got back or after?..

When was his computer hard drive found to have been wiped, after he had returned?.
 
  • #470
Why would you say it will be very, very difficult to get him back to Aruba. US has an extradition agreement with Aruba. He would go right back. Plus there was enough probable cause for the FBI to get a warrant right away to search GG's residence. And JB stated his client would go back and not fight the exptradition so he is on record for that. GG would have no choice in the matter. jmo

The defense attorney in the previous interview I linked says it would be a very difficult process to extradite him back to Aruba.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/aru...on-robyn-gardners-disappearance-cold-15046174
 
  • #471
Did they search his US home before he got back or after?..

When was his computer hard drive found to have been wiped, after he had returned?.

His home was searched while he was in Aruba

I don't recall much about the HD
 
  • #472
Did they search his US home before he got back or after?..

When was his computer hard drive found to have been wiped, after he had returned?.

It was reported while GG was still in jail, by a local news channel in Maryland, by Suniskye I believe here on this forum. We were never able to confirm otherwise.
 
  • #473
Yes, I have followed the VDS case fairly closely. The photos of RG and GG were a staged re-enactment by them from what I understand. I am not claiming that the NE is a reliable news source by any means. My point was that I'm surprised that NG reported this elevator incident as fact, and I have never heard her report as fact anything from the NE before. So I am allowing room for an assumption that she may have had other information to back it up. Unless, it just occurred to me, she later recanted that report, maybe I should look that up. That would go a long ways in convincing me.

The thing for me is that "unusual" is a rather vague and subjective term. Also, we do not know what ALE is going to choose to reveal or not reveal to the public. If they really need a smoking gun, i.e., eye witness, blood evidence, DNA evidence, in order to indict someone for murder, even grabbing someone by the throat and making a verbal threat may not be enough. So maybe it is to their advantage to claim it never happened even if it did.

I don't think the video would have shown what they were saying anyway , so I suppose that is a moot point.

Suffice it to say, that at this stage of the game, especially after the NH case, I need verification of pretty much any claims made by ALE when they have a serious POI they were able to hold for four months, then allowed him to leave the island and return to the states where they know it will be very, very difficult to get him extradited back to Aruba. JMO

That article made it's rounds all over the internet including ABC. NG and her producer are no different then anyone else that has reported on these cases in Aruba..Very rarely do they ever do their homework or any research..She is wrong often like the time she was flashing all over the screen that the murder weapon in Peru was a tennis racket. No need to look for a retraction. What publication would put out breaking stories like that anyway without at least having a 2nd source? To be honest I think much of the time they are completely making it up. After all Robyn isn't hear to sue them is she?

Let me ask you..What is worse for Aruban Tourism..A American killing another American? OR A American being abducted and trafficked off the island? I'M not saying RG was trafficked to another country for certain but for me it makes alot more sense based on what we know then her being murdered..Look at GG'S background he was a swinger,thief and a con artist not a murderer. He had what a little over a hour to make her vanish? I have little confidence the Arubans would even persue this avenue because it would be horrific for their tourism. IMO

For me there is still some belief that it's possible Robyn was in on her own dissapearance. Clearly she had some issues in her personal life and it doesnt appear she was very close to her family..She also once stated that her biggest dream was one day to be famous. Obviously that wasn't going to happen with Model Mayhem or her Modeling career..JMHO
 
  • #474
That article made it's rounds all over the internet including ABC. NG and her producer are no different then anyone else that has reported on these cases in Aruba..Very rarely do they ever do their homework or any research..She is wrong often like the time she was flashing all over the screen that the murder weapon in Peru was a tennis racket. No need to look for a retraction.

Let me ask you..What is worse for Aruban Tourism..A American killing another American? OR A American being abducted and trafficked off the island? I'M not saying RG was trafficked to another country but for me it makes alot more sense based on what we know then her being murdered..Look at GG'S background he was a thief and a con artist not a murderer. I have little confidence the Arubans would even persue this avenue because it would be horrific for their tourism. IMO

For me there is still some belief that it's possible Robyn was in on her own dissapearance. Clearly she had some issues in her personal life and it doesnt appear she was very close to her family..She also once stated that her biggest dream was one day to be famous. Obviously that wasn't going to happen with Model Mayhem or her Modeling career..JMHO

And this could be why the judge is reluctant to charge GG. If there were something to prove she was dead they could go forward. As it is now they just do not know what happened only that it did not happen the way GG claims it did. jmo
 
  • #475
That article made it's rounds all over the internet including ABC. NG and her producer are no different then anyone else that has reported on these cases in Aruba..Very rarely do they ever do their homework or any research..She is wrong often like the time she was flashing all over the screen that the murder weapon in Peru was a tennis racket. No need to look for a retraction.

Let me ask you..What is worse for Aruban Tourism..A American killing another American? OR A American being abducted and trafficked off the island? I'M not saying RG was trafficked to another country but for me it makes alot more sense based on what we know then her being murdered..Look at GG'S background he was a thief and a con artist not a murderer. I have little confidence the Arubans would even persue this avenue because it would be horrific for their tourism. IMO

For me there is still some belief that it's possible Robyn was in on her own dissapearance. Clearly she had some issues in her personal life and it doesnt appear she was very close to her family..She also once stated that her biggest dream was one day to be famous. Obviously that wasn't going to happen with Model Mayhem or her Modeling career..JMHO



I will be honest, that thought did cross my mind
But I can't make it fit, her tattoos, face all over the news and I think about the hardship she would know she was causing her family
 
  • #476
The defense attorney in the previous interview I linked says it would be a very difficult process to extradite him back to Aruba.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/aru...on-robyn-gardners-disappearance-cold-15046174

Right, but once they go through the normal procedures they would send him back if Aruba planned to charge him. They do it all the time. And the FBI did have enough probable cause to get into his home and search.

Interesting how NG claims the hotel video was from the elevator in the Renaissance Hotel lobby. Could NG's crew have gotten the wrong video tape? jmo
 
  • #477
Lambchop, when are you going to Aruba? We have faith that you are gonna solve this thing, once there!
 
  • #478
Lambchop, when are you going to Aruba? We have faith that you are gonna solve this thing, once there!

In a couple of months. Just made my plane reservations. I certainly won't solve anything but I'm not afraid to ask questions. May be nothing but rumors but I will have a "to do" list. lol
 
  • #479
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I will be honest, that thought did cross my mind
But I can't make it fit, her tattoos, face all over the news and I think about the hardship she would know she was causing her family

Don't you find it even a little bit strange her roommate declared her dead and was giving all her belongings to a battered women shelter so soon after she vanished?

It's hard to rule anything out. It appears Robyn was in several abusive relationships in the past and it wasn't just her companion who was at fault,so she was not the type to steer away from confrontation. He wasn't buying her drinks at the cafe he was mixing them up in his car and if you look at the pics at Moomba Beach again he was mixing up his own drinks there too. I don't think she was the type that liked cheap ;)

Giordano was way over his head financially as you know from your research and it appears his scams/thefts got bigger and bigger over the years. His income reportedly was like 1/3 of what his bills were and his mother was paying his mortage..Total con man and thief who had the balls to steal computers in broad day light at target and forge docs and then try and sue for huge money over that recruitment job. Before Aruba in July he had some moon plot business and was trying to scam people on online jobs. Clearly this guy was desperate as hell as he was even trying to lower his child support payments. Judging from his past I don't believe he was afraid to pull a major con job. But murder?
 
  • #480
That article made it's rounds all over the internet including ABC. NG and her producer are no different then anyone else that has reported on these cases in Aruba..Very rarely do they ever do their homework or any research..She is wrong often like the time she was flashing all over the screen that the murder weapon in Peru was a tennis racket. No need to look for a retraction. What publication would put out breaking stories like that anyway without at least having a 2nd source? To be honest I think much of the time they are completely making it up. After all Robyn isn't hear to sue them is she?

Let me ask you..What is worse for Aruban Tourism..A American killing another American? OR A American being abducted and trafficked off the island? I'M not saying RG was trafficked to another country for certain but for me it makes alot more sense based on what we know then her being murdered..Look at GG'S background he was a swinger,thief and a con artist not a murderer. He had what a little over a hour to make her vanish? I have little confidence the Arubans would even persue this avenue because it would be horrific for their tourism. IMO

For me there is still some belief that it's possible Robyn was in on her own dissapearance. Clearly she had some issues in her personal life and it doesnt appear she was very close to her family..She also once stated that her biggest dream was one day to be famous. Obviously that wasn't going to happen with Model Mayhem or her Modeling career..JMHO

Yes, GG is a swinger, thief & con artist. But, you forgot to that he's been accused of domestic abuse. From there it's not such a stretch to murder, when added to all the other info & lies from GG -IMO.
 
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