ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - #10

[R.U.Kidding!]

Don't you find it even a little bit strange her roommate declared her dead and was giving all her belongings to a battered women shelter so soon after she vanished?


It's hard to rule anything out. It appears Robyn was in several abusive relationships in the past and it wasn't just her companion who was at fault,so she was not the type to steer away from confrontation. He wasn't buying her drinks at the cafe he was mixing them up in his car and if you look at the pics at Moomba Beach again he was mixing up his own drinks there too. I don't think she was the type that liked cheap

Giordano was way over his head financially as you know from your research and it appears his scams/thefts got bigger and bigger over the years. His income reportedly was like 1/3 of what his bills were and his mother was paying his mortage..Total con man and thief who had the balls to steal computers in broad day light at target and forge docs and then try and sue for huge money over that recruitment job. Before Aruba in July he had some moon plot business and was trying to scam people on online jobs. Clearly this guy was desperate as hell as he was even trying to lower his child support payments. Judging from his past I don't believe he was afraid to pull a major con job. But murder?

Well I think I may have done the same thing as long as her family was ok with it. I mean after all I think it is safe to say after a few weeks and no Robyn, one would have to believe the last person to see her. GG said she drowned, even if he killed her ----she was gone.

Like you said it is hard to say, but from what I have come to know about Robyn, she seemed too insecure to strike out on her own, and start over. Robyn seemed to be a high maintenance gal. Only if she had the security of knowing someone (male) was there waiting to take care of her, would it seem possible she would make a life changing move like this, don't you think?

It is very hard for me to believe she was a willing party to her own disappearance......but that's just me!

 

[neesaki]

Right, but once they go through the normal procedures they would send him back if Aruba planned to charge him. They do it all the time. And the FBI did have enough probable cause to get into his home and search.

Interesting how NG claims the hotel video was from the elevator in the Renaissance Hotel lobby. Could NG's crew have gotten the wrong video tape? jmo

If they even got a video tape you mean, LOL. Strange how the hotel name started out being wrong in the beginning, but was changed and went back and forth, if I remember correctly. I agree there are serious questions as to the details and the reliability of many of the reports.

It would be nice if ALE would be more forthcoming with information, as well as being more specific, rather than using vague terminology (such as "unusual") which is apparently their means of avoiding giving out the actual details and facts. But I guess they think they have a good reason to withhold what precious little information they do have. jmo :seeya:

 

[LambChop]

Yes, GG is a swinger, thief & con artist. But, you forgot to that he's been accused of domestic abuse. From there it's not such a stretch to murder, when added to all the other info & lies from GG -IMO.

Plus the text on her phone to RF, she leaves the table to go to the ladies room without her purse before they leave. He's a known snoop. Wanted a girlfriend to send him a picture to make sure she was at the market as she claimed. Also asked for her password so he could read her mail to make sure she wasn't seeing someone else. That is being so possessive it becomes a sickness. Although I think he planned for her to "drown" all along, it could have enraged him more if he found that message, they could have fought about it and she's gone. Not a stretch of imagination at all. jmo

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

In a couple of months. Just made my plane reservations. I certainly won't solve anything but I'm not afraid to ask questions. May be nothing but rumors but I will have a "to do" list. lol

Hey Lambchop,

The first chance you get to be on T.V.--make sure you give the Web Sleuthers a wave with your little "sock puppet". Now that would be Newsworthy, don't ya think:floorlaugh:

 

[LambChop]

Hey Lambchop,

The first chance you get to be on T.V.--make sure you give the Web Sleuthers a wave with your little "sock puppet". Now that would be Newsworthy, don't ya think:floorlaugh:

Hey, camera shy. You won't see my fuzzy little face on TV.....unless I get arrested, lol. No, they are pretty flexible with the tourists down there.

I remember asking a local about what happens to the remains of bodies after 5 years. Story is that you can only rent a vault for 5 years and then the remains are removed. There aren't that many graveyards so space is limited. He shrugged his shoulders, smiled and said "I don't know." So obviously the remains are removed, treated as you would a cremation and deposited out to sea so they don't come back to shore. That is just my guess but it would not be something they would advertise. And we know cremated remains are dropped at sea all the time and no one thinks anything of it because it's not Aruba. jmo

 

[neesaki]

That article made it's rounds all over the internet including ABC. NG and her producer are no different then anyone else that has reported on these cases in Aruba..Very rarely do they ever do their homework or any research..She is wrong often like the time she was flashing all over the screen that the murder weapon in Peru was a tennis racket. No need to look for a retraction. What publication would put out breaking stories like that anyway without at least having a 2nd source? To be honest I think much of the time they are completely making it up. After all Robyn isn't hear to sue them is she?

Let me ask you..What is worse for Aruban Tourism..A American killing another American? OR A American being abducted and trafficked off the island? I'M not saying RG was trafficked to another country for certain but for me it makes alot more sense based on what we know then her being murdered..Look at GG'S background he was a swinger,thief and a con artist not a murderer. He had what a little over a hour to make her vanish? I have little confidence the Arubans would even persue this avenue because it would be horrific for their tourism. IMO

For me there is still some belief that it's possible Robyn was in on her own dissapearance. Clearly she had some issues in her personal life and it doesnt appear she was very close to her family..She also once stated that her biggest dream was one day to be famous. Obviously that wasn't going to happen with Model Mayhem or her Modeling career..JMHO

BBM. Well, I can't totally disagree with you, but NG did say she interviewed those at the Rum Reef herself, we can only assume she's not out and out lying, at least about that.

I agree in the possibility of trafficking, and that it would be probably the worse thing for Aruban tourism. I'm just not sure if it happened, but then no body, right? I advocated this pretty strongly at first, IDK, I guess the very large and distinctive tattoo kind of makes it hard for me to believe, she could be so easily identified.

Strange that those photos that were taken by the employee at the restaurant were supposedly shot for her tattoo, yet they didn't even show her tattoo.

As far as GG being a murderer or not, well, he has a history of rage and anger issues, and of abuse and exploitation of women. He thinks he owns them, and given the right opportunity, there's no doubt in my mind he could commit an act of murder, especially if he was intoxicated. Having the time and opportunity to murder her, well, I don't think he had it completely planned, was maybe more of a thought in the back of his mind, starting who knows when, thus the habit of buying huge life insurance policies. Then, maybe he went into one of his jealous, out of control rages and that's how it may have happened. Plus, Robyn is reported to have anger issues when she drinks too much, so maybe he felt provoked and it escalated from there..

I've thought of the "own disappearance" angle as well, how could she just disappear that easily, (again, there's that tattoo) and where would she get the money? :dunno:

 

[Blueskies]

Well I think I may have done the same thing as long as her family was ok with it. I mean after all I think it is safe to say after a few weeks and no Robyn, one would have to believe the last person to see her. GG said she drowned, even if he killed her ----she was gone.

Like you said it is hard to say, but from what I have come to know about Robyn, she seemed too insecure to strike out on her own, and start over. Robyn seemed to be a high maintenance gal. Only if she had the security of knowing someone (male) was there waiting to take care of her, would it seem possible she would make a life changing move like this, don't you think?

It is very hard for me to believe she was a willing party to her own disappearance......but that's just me!

I hear ya and you made a good point. Perhaps it was a chance to move on and start over and away from abusive relationships? Someone would have had to made a investment in this though besides Giordano for this to work. And as far as Gary goes he would have made a huge risk of murdering someone on a foreign land on the hopes of a possible payoff years later and also risk years in a Arubian prison for murder. He's never been to Aruba,doesnt know the island and the window that he had to make her dissapear is just over one hour. His divorce lawyer said nothing this guy did wasn't well thought out and planned and I concur.

I dont like how Giordano went to the same place at about the same time two days in a row and kept that out of the interviews..Almost like he made a dry run the day before. Supposedly he was trying to get younger women to go with him before that and offering them $$ for some bogus modeling job so it's not like Robyn was his first choice.

Robyn to me look pretty desperate in those modeling pics..Aspiring to be a famous model like her close friend and roommate Christina Jones AKA Sophia Parnacelli. Something that never as going to happen..IMO

 

[thumbtack]

Another reason that makes me lean (far) away from the human trafficking angle is, the age range of girls involved is 9 - 19 (average 11-14).

 

[LambChop]

The eastern coast, which is where LE had their search area faces the open sea. It's possible if she was pushed off one of the cliffs her body was pulled out or she could have been pulled into an underwater cave.

Not sure how GG would have arranged something with someone who does human trafficing when he couldn't even get his story straight. That would require a lot of planning which would leave some type of a trial, IMO. For this type of plan to work he would have had a better story, plus some type of proof that she drowned, such as they would have found her mask, etc. Just not very well organized if this were planned by professionials and why in broad daylight with witnesses. He obviously did not expect the witnesses to say they saw him leave when he said he was there. He didn't even notice there was a boat out in the water. But that could be because he wasn't actually there long enough to notice. jmo

 

[Blueskies]

BBM. Well, I can't totally disagree with you, but NG did say she interviewed those at the Rum Reef herself, we can only assume she's not out and out lying, at least about that.

I agree in the possibility of trafficking, and that it would be probably the worse thing for Aruban tourism. I'm just not sure if it happened, but then no body, right? I advocated this pretty strongly at first, IDK, I guess the very large and distinctive tattoo kind of makes it hard for me to believe, she could be so easily identified.

Strange that those photos that were taken by the employee at the restaurant were supposedly shot for her tattoo, yet they didn't even show her tattoo.

As far as GG being a murderer or not, well, he has a history of rage and anger issues, and of abuse and exploitation of women. He thinks he owns them, and given the right opportunity, there's no doubt in my mind he could commit an act of murder, especially if he was intoxicated. Having the time and opportunity to murder her, well, I don't think he had it completely planned, was maybe more of a thought in the back of his mind, starting who knows when, thus the habit of buying huge life insurance policies. Then, maybe he went into one of his jealous, out of control rages and that's how it may have happened. Plus, Robyn is reported to have anger issues when she drinks too much, so maybe he felt provoked and it escalated from there..

I've thought of the "own disappearance" angle as well, how could she just disappear that easily, (again, there's that tattoo) and where would she get the money? :dunno:

In the beginning i thought there was very little chance of her being sold and trafficked but a lot has changed since then. So many pretty and younger girls in those countries but then again maybe it was his last option? Better to get something then nothing..Right? Who knows maybe this guy owed money and he had a debt to pay? I was told that Robyn and Gary were in a swingers club together locally over a year ago so who knows who this guy met in that world? Venezuela is a ideal place to dissapear to if you have the connections..Of course someone would have had to fund this scam in the hopes of the insurance payoff.

As far as i know there has been NO Americans ever trafficked from Aruba..The only exception has been Amy Bradley who was on a cruise ship just of the port of curacao. She was last seen in Barbados in 2005 and oddly enough her picture was seen at a website for a Adult Vacation site that had a location in VE..In my opinion I didn't think Amy was that attractive for this to happen to her and she wasn't exactly that young when she was seen seven years later...Anyway,If you research these Adult vacation places you will see they have many exotic locations offering Blondes and Russian women of all ages not just young south american or asian women..It makes me think that even at her age she would be worth something.IMO

I agree with all you said..Thanks for the chat

 

[thumbtack]

The way I think it went down:

GG didn't plan to murder RG, but he picked Aruba (hearing about the Natalie case) & got insurance on her just in case she enraged him & he "had to" silence her permanently. He probably knew from the beginning of the trip that she was not going to go along w/ what he wanted, so he checked out the place where, if she became uncooperative, he could do her in.

Yet, w/ alcohol intake & realizing that once the deed had been done, it wasn't as easy as he had imagined to cover all his tracks (& witnesses nearby) w/ the story he had concocted once he was down there. He figured he better say she was drinking, even tho that meant he couldn't collect insurance on her, to go along w/ the drowning farce & to not have to go to prison.

 

[Dushi]

The way I think it went down:

GG didn't plan to murder RG, but he picked Aruba (hearing about the Natalie case) & got insurance on her just in case she enraged him & he "had to" silence her permanently. He probably knew from the beginning of the trip that she was not going to go along w/ what he wanted, so he checked out the place where, if she became uncooperative, he could do her in.

Yet, w/ alcohol intake & realizing that once the deed had been done, it wasn't as easy as he had imagined to cover all his tracks (& witnesses nearby) w/ the story he had concocted once he was down there. He figured he better say she was drinking, even tho that meant he couldn't collect insurance on her, to go along w/ the drowning farce & to not have to go to prison.

I don't know what happened
One day i think this, one day i think that...

I do believe that once gary was jailed, the most important thing to him was gaining his freedom

Nothing else could matter without that

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

The way I think it went down:

GG didn't plan to murder RG, but he picked Aruba (hearing about the Natalie case) & got insurance on her just in case she enraged him & he "had to" silence her permanently. He probably knew from the beginning of the trip that she was not going to go along w/ what he wanted, so he checked out the place where, if she became uncooperative, he could do her in.

Yet, w/ alcohol intake & realizing that once the deed had been done, it wasn't as easy as he had imagined to cover all his tracks (& witnesses nearby) w/ the story he had concocted once he was down there. He figured he better say she was drinking, even tho that meant he couldn't collect insurance on her, to go along w/ the drowning farce & to not have to go to prison.

What do you think he wanted?? He already had taken "beyond pornographic" pictures of Robyn "featuring" HIS body parts (pardon me, EEEEWWWWW!), that was a pretty good start for someone like him, don't you think?

I really can't figure out what happened, but I am inclined to believe it may have been an accident in the heat of the moment. I mean he has always been able to find some poor women to do what he wanted, why murder, why Robyn, why now?? I wouldn't think he would wait until he was 50 to start, right?

I am with those who find his 2 visits to the Rum Reef curious!

 

[neesaki]

What do you think he wanted?? He already had taken "beyond pornographic" pictures of Robyn "featuring" HIS body parts (pardon me, EEEEWWWWW!), that was a pretty good start for someone like him, don't you think?

I really can't figure out what happened, but I am inclined to believe it may have been an accident in the heat of the moment. I mean he has always been able to find some poor women to do what he wanted, why murder, why Robyn, why now?? I wouldn't think he would wait until he was 50 to start, right?

I am with those who find his 2 visits to the Rum Reef curious!

OMG, you're doing it again, R.U.! :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[neesaki]

What do you think he wanted?? He already had taken "beyond pornographic" pictures of Robyn "featuring" HIS body parts (pardon me, EEEEWWWWW!), that was a pretty good start for someone like him, don't you think?

I really can't figure out what happened, but I am inclined to believe it may have been an accident in the heat of the moment. I mean he has always been able to find some poor women to do what he wanted, why murder, why Robyn, why now?? I wouldn't think he would wait until he was 50 to start, right?

I am with those who find his 2 visits to the Rum Reef curious!

As in maybe he went into a fit of rage, hit or beat her, then pushed her off a cliff or something? Yes, I think this is a strong possibility.

And it seems to me, that Robyn was already doing what he wanted.

The two visits to Rum Reef on two consecutive days, at the same time, is quite troublesome to me also.

 

[neesaki]

Don't you find it even a little bit strange her roommate declared her dead and was giving all her belongings to a battered women shelter so soon after she vanished?

SBM,BBM: Just curious, are you of the opinion that Robyn's roommate knows something the rest of us don't know? TIA

 

[neesaki]

I don't know what happened
One day i think this, one day i think that...

I do believe that once gary was jailed, the most important thing to him was gaining his freedom

Nothing else could matter without that

BBM. ITA, I think that whatever he did, whether it was a real plan or just a half-baked idea that was brewing combined with a jealous, possessive streak and a violent temper that he couldn't control, that he thought he would just be able to walk away from Aruba without a hitch. Probably because he has gotten away with so many of his dirty dishonest deeds his entire life.

 

[redheadedgal]

......and readheadedgirl:

Yes, I meant to make a note that these were sent on Wed after RG had disappeared, but before RF knew about it. Still wonder why he would jump to the conclusion that she wanted to "break up " with him?
Frankly, I think there is a lot we don't know about with regards to the dynamics of their relationship?

RF said "i know you're online"... since he knew she was there with another man and he thought she was now ignoring him (but it was probably GG logged into her account on her phone), he might've just made the extreme leap to her wanting to end their "relationship"... i don't know how men's brains work but i know mine does tend to leap from a to z... i.e. to the worst possible scenario :twocents:

i think you are correct re: what we don't know about their relationship... more may come out with time... but in the end none of that really concerns how or why robyn disappeared. it would however possibly explain more about why RG traveled to aruba with GG...

 

[neesaki]

Freudian Slip? Why did Giordano say "Rum Runner" instead of "Rum Reef" in his interview with Robin Roberts?

The Rum Runner was an old wooden Danish fishing boat converted for tourist cruises. When it was no longer serviceable, it was sunk. It is now a habitat for fish, lobster and turtles, with corals and beautiful anemones growing on the hull.

BBM/SBM . I wonder if GG had been researching the history of murder cases and deaths in Aruba. "rum runner" is mentioned in this article, link posted by Blueskies, about the Tiano's back in 2000. It states they had been "drinking rum runners all day". Roy Tiano collected on a $500,000 insurance policy after his wife, Renee, "fell" over a balcony from the 12th floor at the Wyndham Hotel. She was so drunk she was apparently unconscious because she never even screamed.

I have to wonder why GG wiped his HD clean if that report is a fact, and now vl, you have me also wondering why he would call the Rum Reef the Rum Runner? Maybe this case stood out in his mind. Could it have been a Freudian Slip?

BBM/SBM:

Posted by Blueskies: Post #368: Just a refresher of all the Americans who were murdered or vanished without a trace on Aruba(Not including Arubans or other Nationalities)

There is only one recorded case of a homocide against a tourist that was solved and prosecuted and that was way back in 1996. All the others never had a proper investigation and they vanished without a trace. If we want to get into specific details about why I feel they never had a proper investigation I can gladly provide those details..

In 2000 there's the case of Renee and Roy Tiano of Framingham,Mass..That many suspected was murder but ruled a accident..No charges were ever filed.

http://www.asylumnation.com/asylum/p...?threadid=3987

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[Saracen]

The way I think it went down:

GG didn't plan to murder RG, but he picked Aruba (hearing about the Natalie case) & got insurance on her just in case she enraged him & he "had to" silence her permanently. He probably knew from the beginning of the trip that she was not going to go along w/ what he wanted, so he checked out the place where, if she became uncooperative, he could do her in.

Yet, w/ alcohol intake & realizing that once the deed had been done, it wasn't as easy as he had imagined to cover all his tracks (& witnesses nearby) w/ the story he had concocted once he was down there. He figured he better say she was drinking, even tho that meant he couldn't collect insurance on her, to go along w/ the drowning farce & to not have to go to prison.

I have a thought about it being premeditated, like for someone who had only been on the island a few days, I think he knew the island very well.. Maybe he had studied it on google earth or something, maybe he knew the currents, which way they flowed..Maybe he wiped his HD clean before he went. All speculation of course, just looking from a different angle.:waitasec: