ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - #10

[Dushi]

A law enforcement source said that Giordano, 50, is seen in surveillance video at 6:02 p.m. tapping on closed shutters of the bar seemingly making his presence known. At approximately 6:20 p.m. he went to the back kitchen of the bar and told someone to call police.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/robyn-gardner-photo-vanished-aruba/story?id=14361836



The sun set at 7:06
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclo...n=689&month=8&year=2011&obj=sun&afl=-11&day=1



I can't find anything about an air search Aug 2, but if there was one, it would have been done near or after dark

 

[LambChop]

A law enforcement source said that Giordano, 50, is seen in surveillance video at 6:02 p.m. tapping on closed shutters of the bar seemingly making his presence known. At approximately 6:20 p.m. he went to the back kitchen of the bar and told someone to call police.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/robyn-gardner-photo-vanished-aruba/story?id=14361836



The sun set at 7:06
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclo...n=689&month=8&year=2011&obj=sun&afl=-11&day=1



I can't find anything about an air search Aug 2, but if there was one, it would have been done near or after dark

What was he doing for those 18 minutes before going to the kithen in the back?????

 

[Dushi]

What was he doing for those 18 minutes before going to the kithen in the back?????

There is no video of GG behind the restaurant so i certainly wouldn't know


I think its safe to assume that he got someones attention at approximately six twenty
Then the police were called
By the time they got there and accessed the situation, IF an air search happened, it was dark and nothing would be seen below the water

 

[LambChop]

There is no video of GG behind the restaurant so i certainly wouldn't know


I think its safe to assume that he got someones attention at approximately six twenty
Then the police were called
By the time they got there and accessed the situation, IF an air search happened, it was dark and nothing would be seen below the water

I think they were looking for a floating body which they could have easily seen from the air. I can't imagine them doing nothing. She could have still be alive floating in the water. But, I will add that question to my list. Thanks

 

[Dushi]

I think they were looking for a floating body which they could have easily seen from the air. I can't imagine them doing nothing. She could have still be alive floating in the water. But, I will add that question to my list. Thanks

I too can not imagine them doing nothing as she could have been a live, in the water

The point i was making was in reference to your post about the clarity of the water and being able to see a body in ten feet of water

If she were a live and floating, that close to shore, i imagine they would have found her

However, it was dark and I don't think they would see anything on the bottom even if only ten feet JMO

 

[LambChop]

I too can not imagine them doing nothing as she could have been a live, in the water

The point i was making was in reference to your post about the clarity of the water and being able to see a body in ten feet of water

If she were a live and floating, that close to shore, i imagine they would have found her

However, it was dark and I don't think they would see anything on the bottom even if only ten feet JMO

The picture I was referring to was with GG standing on the rocks talking with LE and pointing out into the water. There was some light left because you can see it is not entirely dark yet. I referenced 10 foot of water because that is where GG claimed they were snorkeling not meaning her body was on the bottom. As I said, I just can't imagine them not trying because the woman who drowned late last year was found pretty quickly so I could see them bringing out the helicopters. She could have been floating, she could have been a couple of feet below the surface but the quickest way to find her is to get a helicopter up there and at least look when GG seemed to have been pretty sure about the location where they were. jmo

 

[Saracen]

I think they were looking for a floating body which they could have easily seen from the air. I can't imagine them doing nothing. She could have still be alive floating in the water. But, I will add that question to my list. Thanks

But was this on the same day that a witness (fisherman) said that they did not go into the water?.. was that evening time, or earlier in the day?..

Rescue helicopters here have spotlights which i think would create more of a problem with a reflection of the water. But they also have thermal imaging equipment which picks up body heat even inside buildings, so that may have been useful..:waitasec:

 

[LambChop]

But was this on the same day that a witness (fisherman) said that they did not go into the water?.. was that evening time, or earlier in the day?..

Rescue helicopters here have spotlights which i think would create more of a problem with a reflection of the water. But they also have thermal imaging equipment which picks up body heat even inside buildings, so that may have been useful..:waitasec:

We don't know if Aruba even has a need for that type of equipment. In the photo of GG on the rocks in his bathing suit with LE there is still some light and surely enough that if she were in the water in the exact location he was pointing out there is a good chance they might have seen her. Even if her body had lost heat an infared camera would have picked up the mass, IMO. For search and rescue I would hope they had that equipment. jmo

 

[redheadedgal]

i would think they'd have the most modern equipment... and probably used all tools at their disposal with a "report" of a missing, presumed drowned tourist...

http://www.defensie.nl/english/navy/caribbean/
http://www.defensie.nl/english/navy/coastguard/


btw, thermal imaging cannot produce an image of a body that is totally submerged... see numbers 6 and 8:

http://www.bullard.com/V3/products/thermal_imaging/law_enforcement/training/articles/0002.php

 

[LambChop]

i would think they'd have the most modern equipment... and probably used all tools at their disposal with a "report" of a missing, presumed drowned tourist...

http://www.defensie.nl/english/navy/caribbean/
http://www.defensie.nl/english/navy/coastguard/


btw, thermal imaging cannot produce an image of a body that is totally submerged... see numbers 6 and 8:

http://www.bullard.com/V3/products/thermal_imaging/law_enforcement/training/articles/0002.php

I would think since they are surrounded by water that there would be modern equipment available to find a body in the water. BUT, they have to be looking in the right place. And I think this was what T. Stein was alluding to, that the body should have been there given the circumstances. There was no rogue current that suddenly swept in and carried her away. Not that it wouldn't be possible.

The dog handler in the Caylee Anthony case showed a video of a night search where there was a known body in the water. The helicopters filmed from above and you could see the body in the water with a negative feature. It was quite amazing. So that is what I was thinking. You could clearly see the outline of a person who was in swamp water and not visible to the naked eye from on the ground.

As I said before, and I'm not saying he is guilty in planning RG's death, but what I am saying is that when you feel the need to consider other alternatives to his inconsistencies the logical part of your brain tells you this did not go down the way he claims. Sure you can take the fact that he picked a remote spot (and it was because he, himself admits no one else was in the water at that spot or during the approximately two hour period they were there) as them wanting to get some private pictures. However, this is not what he claimed. He claims they wanted to snorkel, never mentioned taking pictures or wanting to. Add that to all the other inconsistencies and there are just too many to believe his story.

Myself, I think GG drove off because RG refused to get into the water. jmo

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

I would think since they are surrounded by water that there would be modern equipment available to find a body in the water. BUT, they have to be looking in the right place. And I think this was what T. Stein was alluding to, that the body should have been there given the circumstances. There was no rogue current that suddenly swept in and carried her away. Not that it wouldn't be possible.

The dog handler in the Caylee Anthony case showed a video of a night search where there was a known body in the water. The helicopters filmed from above and you could see the body in the water with a negative feature. It was quite amazing. So that is what I was thinking. You could clearly see the outline of a person who was in swamp water and not visible to the naked eye from on the ground.

As I said before, and I'm not saying he is guilty in planning RG's death, but what I am saying is that when you feel the need to consider other alternatives to his inconsistencies the logical part of your brain tells you this did not go down the way he claims. Sure you can take the fact that he picked a remote spot (and it was because he, himself admits no one else was in the water at that spot or during the approximately two hour period they were there) as them wanting to get some private pictures. However, this is not what he claimed. He claims they wanted to snorkel, never mentioned taking pictures or wanting to. Add that to all the other inconsistencies and there are just too many to believe his story.

Myself, I think GG drove off because RG refused to get into the water. jmo

REALLY??? How does that work?:waitasec:

 

[LambChop]

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REALLY??? How does that work?:waitasec:

They left in the car after a short walk on the jetty without getting into the water according to witnesses. It's a conclusion given the fact that RF, her brother, RG's hairdresser and roommate all agree she would not have gone snorkeling just having her hair extensions put in. Also she had very long hair and was in the ladies room prior to leaving and never tied her hair up out of the way. That would have protected those extensions somewhat. Obviously if RG wanted to go into the water in that spot there would have been evidence that she did and the only evidence is eye witness accounts that they left.

So, how it works is you take all the evidence that you know such as:

Eye witness statements that they did not go into the water,
Eye witness statements that they left in the car,
Eye witness statements that GG's bathing suit was perfectly dry but his shoes and socks were soaking wet.
The fact that RG appeared to be dressed to go out of the evening and did not appear ready to go snorkeling.
The fact that they took their leftovers with them would indicate they did not plan on leaving it in a hot car for two hours but planned on taking it with them in an air conditioned car.
The fact that no body nor signs of any equipment she had on was ever found.

Put these together and it's not a stretch to believe that RG was not interested in going snorkeling that day. We only have GG's word but her actions lean more towards what her family and close friends believe, that she would not have gone into that water. You reach a conclusion based on what you know as facts. It's not foolproof just an educated guess. jmo

 

[Dushi]

I would think since they are surrounded by water that there would be modern equipment available to find a body in the water. BUT, they have to be looking in the right place. And I think this was what T. Stein was alluding to, that the body should have been there given the circumstances. There was no rogue current that suddenly swept in and carried her away. Not that it wouldn't be possible.

The dog handler in the Caylee Anthony case showed a video of a night search where there was a known body in the water. The helicopters filmed from above and you could see the body in the water with a negative feature. It was quite amazing. So that is what I was thinking. You could clearly see the outline of a person who was in swamp water and not visible to the naked eye from on the ground.

As I said before, and I'm not saying he is guilty in planning RG's death, but what I am saying is that when you feel the need to consider other alternatives to his inconsistencies the logical part of your brain tells you this did not go down the way he claims. Sure you can take the fact that he picked a remote spot (and it was because he, himself admits no one else was in the water at that spot or during the approximately two hour period they were there) as them wanting to get some private pictures. However, this is not what he claimed. He claims they wanted to snorkel, never mentioned taking pictures or wanting to. Add that to all the other inconsistencies and there are just too many to believe his story.

Myself, I think GG drove off because RG refused to get into the water. jmo

And then what happened? Well, really, nobody knows.
Her dress and towel were found on the beach
The location was not completely empty, a fisherman says he never saw them return but he remained there all afternoon.
Someone put them there if they were not left there earlier
But nobody saw that

 

[LambChop]

[/B]


And then what happened? Well, really, nobody knows.
Her dress and towel were found on the beach
The location was not completely empty, a fisherman says he never saw them return but he remained there all afternoon.
Someone put them there if they were not left there earlier
But nobody saw that

Well we do know GG returned because the car was parked where the towels were and we have a video of GG. The only full accounting we have was provided in GG's statement which has major inconsistencies and this is why he is a suspect. This is why he is still a suspect both in Aruba and in the US. There are no limitations on the statues for murder, either here in the US or in Aruba. Aruba and the FBI don't have to rush their judgment as they might in other cases.

Witnesses just casually notice things just as we would if we went to the mall, sat and "people watched". All the witnesses seem to be consistent in their statements that they left the jetty by car shortly after going for a walk. What they did not see all afternoon was them getting into the water, nor did they observe them snorkeling. I would think, since the water was reported as being calm that the fishermen would have noticed them in the water as snorkelers are very visible. They were fishing and any movement in the water I would think would grab there attention. But they all were very sure that they got into the car and left after a short walk.

Another thing that bothers me is it was open sea. They were in the dive shop and he could have a least rented a life jacket for her if she were not experienced. They make you wear them when you go out on the snorkel cruises. It would have ensured her safety and his. He is 50 years old and there is no telling what can happen in the water. At least bring one with you as a safety precaution if you are going to go into the water with heavy sneakers on. Either way, he never thought this through. jmo

 

[neesaki]

Do we know that ALE had searchers in the water immediately after they arrived on the scene, as in boats and divers, etc. ? I can't believe they would not have, but I don't remember so will go back and see if I can find what was reported on this.

Also, if GG was in distress as he claimed because of his heavy sneakers weighting him down, why did he not then take them off and re-enter the water to search for Robyn and try to save her? :waitasec: That would have been the first and most rational course of action to have taken, imo, not to run off and leave her to finish drowning in the 20 or so minutes he left her out in the ocean. I can't think of anyone who would abandon their partner and not try to rescue them before they went after help. Unless, of course, they wanted them to drown.

But then, he initially claimed that the waters got rough and he was trying to "save" himself, which later changed to his sneakers filled with water and weighted him down. Of course any imbecile would be able to anticipate that happening, which is why his claim that he snorkeled with leather athletic shoes on makes absolutely no sense.

GG lies and lies, then changes his lies to try and contradict the questions and criticisms as they arise. In the end his story just stinks to high heaven. JMO

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Myself, I think GG drove off because RG refused to get into the water. jmo

I'm sorry. The way this statement was worded led me to believe you thought GG LEFT RG there, and just drove off.

Apparently you think they left together with him angry because she did not want to go in the water. Witnesses see them leave---so far , so good?

OK, now what? They found their blanket and her dress on the beach--so when they left together, she did not have her dress on? Did he take her somewhere else to kill her, then drove back to place her dress in the spot they said they went snorkeling? Did the witnesses see them return, or just him return?

We have been talking about this case for months now and of course I could be wrong, but I do not believe you have ever mentioned this theory, and I was just interested in What your thoughts were on this. Thus the "How does that work"

Just asking.

 

[neesaki]

I knew that Robyn had posted "this sucks" on RF's FB page, but did not realize that she had posted the same comment on her friend, Christina's, FB page as well.

Facebook, Gmail May Offer Clues To Woman’s Disappearance In Aruba

"Both say Gardner seemed to be having a bad time on the trip — she apparently messaged both of them on Facebook to say, 'This sucks.'[/I] "

http://jezebel.com/5829974/facebook-gmail-may-offer-clues-to-womans-disappearance-in-aruba

 

[Elley Mae]

I knew that Robyn had posted "this sucks" on RF's FB page, but did not realize that she had posted the same comment on her friend, Christina's, FB page as well.

Facebook, Gmail May Offer Clues To Woman’s Disappearance In Aruba

"Both say Gardner seemed to be having a bad time on the trip — she apparently messaged both of them on Facebook to say, 'This sucks.'[/I] "

http://jezebel.com/5829974/facebook-gmail-may-offer-clues-to-womans-disappearance-in-aruba

What if her saying "this sucks" was a way of her trying to convince them that she was with her parents in Florida. just sayin

 

[neesaki]

What was he doing for those 18 minutes before going to the kithen in the back?????

My question also, 18 minutes to get from the front to the back of this building? He is not a man in a hurry to get help, this is a snail's pace, imo.

http://aruba-daily.com/newspaper/?p=3542

"A law enforcement source said that Giordano, 50, is seen in surveillance video at 6:02 p.m. tapping on closed shutters of the bar seemingly making his presence known. At approximately 6:20 p.m. he went to the back kitchen of the bar and told someone to call police."

 

[neesaki]

What if her saying "this sucks" was a way of her trying to convince them that she was with her parents in Florida. just sayin

Her friend Christina knew that Robyn was not in Florida with her parents, that she was in Aruba with GG.