ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - #10

[LambChop]

My question also, 18 minutes to get from the front to the back of this building? He is not a man in a hurry to get help, this is a snail's pace, imo.

http://aruba-daily.com/newspaper/?p=3542

"A law enforcement source said that Giordano, 50, is seen in surveillance video at 6:02 p.m. tapping on closed shutters of the bar seemingly making his presence known. At approximately 6:20 p.m. he went to the back kitchen of the bar and told someone to call police."

Maybe he stopped to have a cigarette???

 

[neesaki]

Do we know that ALE had searchers in the water immediately after they arrived on the scene, as in boats and divers, etc. ? I can't believe they would not have, but I don't remember so will go back and see if I can find what was reported on this.

Also, if GG was in distress as he claimed because of his heavy sneakers weighting him down, why did he not then take them off and re-enter the water to search for Robyn and try to save her? :waitasec: That would have been the first and most rational course of action to have taken, imo, not to run off and leave her to finish drowning in the 20 or so minutes he left her out in the ocean. I can't think of anyone who would abandon their partner and not try to rescue them before they went after help. Unless, of course, they wanted them to drown.

But then, he initially claimed that the waters got rough and he was trying to "save" himself, which later changed to his sneakers filled with water and weighted him down. Of course any imbecile would be able to anticipate that happening, which is why his claim that he snorkeled with leather athletic shoes on makes absolutely no sense.

GG lies and lies, then changes his lies to try and contradict the questions and criticisms as they arise. In the end his story just stinks to high heaven. JMO

I am so far having no success finding a report of the search immediately following Robyn's disappearance, that is, the search in the water. If anyone knows of a link for this could you post it? TIA

 

[LambChop]

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I'm sorry. The way this statement was worded led me to believe you thought GG LEFT RG there, and just drove off.

Apparently you think they left together with him angry because she did not want to go in the water. Witnesses see them leave---so far , so good?

OK, now what? They found their blanket and her dress on the beach--so when they left together, she did not have her dress on? Did he take her somewhere else to kill her, then drove back to place her dress in the spot they said they went snorkeling? Did the witnesses see them return, or just him return?

We have been talking about this case for months now and of course I could be wrong, but I do not believe you have ever mentioned this theory, and I was just interested in What your thoughts were on this. Thus the "How does that work"

Just asking.

No, sorry for the misunderstanding but the witnesses said they drove off. I'm going by their statements. "How it works" is obviously they did not get into the water as GG claimed. Based on what her family and friends all claimed that she would NOT have been interested in snorkeling and the fact that witnesses saw them both leave, my guess is that RG just was not interested in going snorkeling. Maybe she had enough sense to know she had been drinking and snorkeling would be too dangerous, or she just did not want to ruin her extensions.

You have to realize that RG was getting her hair done by her roommate who either charged her very little or may even have done it based on the cost. It's what roomies do. They help each other out. I do not think, since RG just had her hair done and her roommate probably spent hours doing it that she would take the chance of upsetting her roommate by ruining all the work that was done because we know it takes hours to do this. It would not be worth it unless it was something that RG really loved to do. And we know from her family and closest friends she'd get into waist deep water only in the past because of the extensions. It's just another reason to think she never went into the water at that location. jmo

 

[LambChop]

This is an article I have not seen before. It contains comments from RG's brother Andrew.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...iz-friend-Gary-V-Giordano-claims-drowned.html

It states about the search in this article.

QUOTE:

"New video of the search shows Giordano accompanying police as they searched the water around where he said Gardner disappeared."

 

[Blueskies]

It states about the search in this article.

QUOTE:

"New video of the search shows Giordano accompanying police as they searched the water around where he said Gardner disappeared."

They had a couple of divers that volunteered to search the waters. Of course by then the sun already went down and it was dark out..I have the pics and article saved but the link is no longer active.

I'M suprised none of Giordano's friends spoke out about him being a skilled diver and snorkler which makes his story that more ridiculous. If you look at his ebay he was buying dive equipment just previous to his trip to Aruba.

 

[neesaki]

Interesting coincidence how the young girl that GG tried to lure to Aruba, Carrie Emerson's daughter, "Taylor Tyler", resembles Megan Waterman, photo #8; and Robyn, resembles Melissa Barthelemy, photo #9. Megan and Melissa were victims of the Long Island Serial Killer.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/..._1192666.html#s596897&title=Long_Island_Human

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

I am so far having no success finding a report of the search immediately following Robyn's disappearance, that is, the search in the water. If anyone knows of a link for this could you post it? TIA

Thanks for looking Neesaki.

I think that is because there never was any search immediately after her disappearance. At least I never found any confirmation stating that. I think if there was Niner would have included in her TIMELINE. That is why I questioned the assumption helicopters "would have been able to see a body" comment, as if they were deployed to the exact spot RG disappeared and that search took place immediately following GG's drowning report.

For me that has always been the reason I have balked at the idea "her body should have washed ashore or been recovered, as if the search were timely enough to locate her. Who knows where her body drifted in the hours following her disappearance.

Thanks for your research.

 

[LambChop]

Thanks for looking Neesaki.

I think that is because there never was any search immediately after her disappearance. At least I never found any confirmation stating that. I think if there was Niner would have included in her TIMELINE. That is why I questioned the assumption helicopters "would have been able to see a body" comment, as if they were deployed to the exact spot RG disappeared and that search took place immediately following GG's drowning report.

For me that has always been the reason I have balked at the idea "her body should have washed ashore or been recovered, as if the search were timely enough to locate her. Who knows where her body drifted in the hours following her disappearance.

Thanks for your research.

It states about the search in this article.

QUOTE:

"New video of the search shows Giordano accompanying police as they searched the water around where he said Gardner disappeared."


I think this statement makes it pretty clear that they searched. We do see him on the rocks with his suit on pointing to the area where she disappeared and I don't see them not trying to search with whatever daylight was left for them to do so.

"Giordano, 50, called police in Aruba around 6:30 p.m. on Aug. 2 to say that he and Gardner got separated while snorkeling and she never made it back to shore. Video and photos obtained by the AP show him assisting police in a helicopter and boat search of the Dutch island's coastline."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2011-08-09-us-woman-missing-in-aruba_n.htm

It sounds like they searched to me. jmo

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

It states about the search in this article.

QUOTE:

"New video of the search shows Giordano accompanying police as they searched the water around where he said Gardner disappeared."


I think this statement makes it pretty clear that they searched. We do see him on the rocks with his suit on pointing to the area where she disappeared and I don't see them not trying to search with whatever daylight was left for them to do so.

"Giordano, 50, called police in Aruba around 6:30 p.m. on Aug. 2 to say that he and Gardner got separated while snorkeling and she never made it back to shore. Video and photos obtained by the AP show him assisting police in a helicopter and boat search of the Dutch island's coastline."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2011-08-09-us-woman-missing-in-aruba_n.htm

It sounds like they searched to me. jmo

Of course they searched. Never did I mean to insinuate they did not. My point was there has never been a definitive statement as to the time of that search. It could have been at the break of dawn the next day, If Sunset was 7:06, as stated on Aug 2 then How much time would there be to have the area searched that day? AP showed him assisting police. When? No time is stated, so it could have been the next day.

They did search, but how much time do you really think they had if sunset was 7:06? So they probably went the next day. Seems reasonable?

 

[Sapphire]

According to Taco Stein, it appears they initially searched from Tuesday, the day Robyn went missing, through Saturday.





UPDATE: 9 News Now spoke to Aruba Solicitor General Taco Stein by phone Friday afternoon to get the latest on the search for missing Maryland woman Robyn Gardner, and on Gary Giordano, who was detained by police in Aruba.

Stein says there is no active search like there was in the initial stages of Gardner's disappearance. He said:

"I've described it as a passive search. We started out full-fledged with boats, two helicopters, a plane, a dive team, some divers, the coast guard, some police officers of the uniform brigade, and some detectives near the vicinity near the shore. But we kept that up for a few days. She went missing on Tuesday and we kept this up until Saturday, to no avail. So after that we scaled down, and what we do at this moment, if we get specific information as this is researched, and if we now, from the new things we do in the investigation, ah, witness statements, if we get indications that they've been in a certain location they will be researched, too. But there is no active search going on at this moment."

<snip>

http://www.wusa9.com/news/article/1...thorities-Seek-To-Detain-Gary-Giordano-Longer

 

[Niner]

Thanks for looking Neesaki.

I think that is because there never was any search immediately after her disappearance. At least I never found any confirmation stating that. I think if there was Niner would have included in her TIMELINE. That is why I questioned the assumption helicopters "would have been able to see a body" comment, as if they were deployed to the exact spot RG disappeared and that search took place immediately following GG's drowning report.

For me that has always been the reason I have balked at the idea "her body should have washed ashore or been recovered, as if the search were timely enough to locate her. Who knows where her body drifted in the hours following her disappearance.

Thanks for your research.

Oh, but Niner does have that in the TimeLine!!! :seeya:

6.23pm - 911 received notification of a possible drowning of a woman. The traveling companion of this woman, a man G.V.G. stated that they were going snorkeling behind Nanki Country Club.
At 6:23 p.m. on the day of her disappearance, police were called, and 20 minutes later began to search the area. Then, Giordano left the search to return to his hotel and take a nap, according to police. Disclaimer: This claim, at 6.40 GG went for a nap, not true, there are various pics of GG helping the police in the dark, pics where it is completely dark, it takes till 7:30 for it to get dark, so GG was not taking a nap at 6:40, he still was working with the police at least at 7:30.

 

[Niner]

respectfully snipped....

"Giordano, 50, called police in Aruba around 6:30 p.m. on Aug. 2 to say that he and Gardner got separated while snorkeling and she never made it back to shore. Video and photos obtained by the AP show him assisting police in a helicopter and boat search of the Dutch island's coastline."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2011-08-09-us-woman-missing-in-aruba_n.htm

It sounds like they searched to me. jmo

I'll add this part with the link to the TimeLine though, so there is a reference to MSM article!!

edited to add: I'll also include the quote from post 610

 

[neesaki]

GG had already propositioned Carrie Emerson's daughter, Taylor Tyler, wanting to take her to Aruba for a "photo shoot".

Yet, he then later was contacted by Robyn which then prompts him to Google and only then decides he wants to take her to Aruba?

What is it with him and Aruba?
And since when was he a professional photographer and "producer" that does "photo shoots"? Someone please help me out here because it seems to me that these are just more red flags and inconsistencies. jmo


Mom of teen says Gary Giordano told her he could make her 'disappear'

"Carrie Emerson spoke to Judge Jeanine Pirro on her Fox News show, recounting a telephone call with Giordano who she claims told her he was a producer who wanted to take her teen daughter Taylor Tyler to Aruba to conduct a swimsuit photo shoot.

He allegedly contacted Emerson in late July after seeing 18-year-old Taylor's photos on the Internet."

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-na...giordano-told-her-he-could-make-her-disappear

"Gary Giordano received an sms with the words &#8220;Take Me Out Of Here&#8221; from Robyn Gardner. He went online, googled for a destination, chose Aruba and booked their trip."
http://arubaherald.com/court/823-missing-woman-text-to-travel-companion-take-me-out-of-here-.html

 

[neesaki]

Also, why did GG think he had to travel all the way to Aruba just to do a photo shoot, of someone he had never even photographed before, one of which he had never even met in person? Because he needed to be able to travel in order to purchase travel insurance with a 1.5 mill accidental death policy?

Both Taylor Tyler and Robyn were only aspiring models. If he was serious about producing, would he not first do photo shoots at home before investing money in an aspiring model on a trip to Aruba.

Again, what is it with GG and Aruba? Hinky.... :twocents:

 

[LambChop]

Also, why did GG think he had to travel all the way to Aruba just to do a photo shoot, of someone he had never even photographed before, one of which he had never even met in person? Because he needed to be able to travel in order to purchase travel insurance with a 1.5 mill accidental death policy?

Both Taylor Tyler and Robyn were only aspiring models. If he was serious about producing, would he not first do photo shoots at home before investing money in an aspiring model on a trip to Aruba.

Again, what is it with GG and Aruba? Hinky.... :twocents:

My guess is he picked Aruba because had he gone to Florida, let's just say, RG could have easily walked out of that hotel and gone home instead of typing "this sucks". I would think being in another country would have made it a little more difficult for her to leave. She still could have left but may have been less likely to do so. jmo

 

[Dushi]

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I'm sorry. The way this statement was worded led me to believe you thought GG LEFT RG there, and just drove off.

Apparently you think they left together with him angry because she did not want to go in the water. Witnesses see them leave---so far , so good?

OK, now what? They found their blanket and her dress on the beach--so when they left together, she did not have her dress on? Did he take her somewhere else to kill her, then drove back to place her dress in the spot they said they went snorkeling? Did the witnesses see them return, or just him return?We have been talking about this case for months now and of course I could be wrong, but I do not believe you have ever mentioned this theory, and I was just interested in What your thoughts were on this. Thus the "How does that work"

Just asking.

Witnesses say they saw THEM leave
Nobody saw them return together or Gary return alone
Next time he was seen was on the bar video JMO

 

[Dushi]

More accurate time of call to LE

The Prosecutor's Office in Aruba released the following statement Tuesday:

"On August 2, 2011 at about 6.23 PM (local time) 911 received notification of a possible drowning of a woman. The traveling companion of this woman, a man G.V.G. stated that they were going snorkeling behind Nanki Country Club and that at a given moment he had signaled his friend to swim back to the beach. He stated further that the woman had not reached the beach together with him and apparently had remained in the water.

http://www.wusa9.com/news/article/1...thorities-Seek-To-Detain-Gary-Giordano-Longer

 

[Dushi]

I think based on the above, searching probably started after dark

 

[Dushi]

This is the first time i have read this


08/18/11 &#8212; Robyn Gardner, age 35, was last seen on August 2, 2011 around 4:00 p.m. in Oranjestad, Aruba. She was last seen a bathing suit. Robyn has tattoos on her left shoulder and bicep, right ribcage and inside right bicep. If you have any information, please call the Aruba Police Department or Texas EquuSearch at (281) 309-9500.

http://texasequusearch.org/2011/08/missing-robyn-gardner-35-yrs-oranjestad-aruba-080211/

 

[neesaki]

This is the first time i have read this


08/18/11 — Robyn Gardner, age 35, was last seen on August 2, 2011 around 4:00 p.m. in Oranjestad, Aruba. She was last seen a bathing suit. Robyn has tattoos on her left shoulder and bicep, right ribcage and inside right bicep. If you have any information, please call the Aruba Police Department or Texas EquuSearch at (281) 309-9500.

http://texasequusearch.org/2011/08/missing-robyn-gardner-35-yrs-oranjestad-aruba-080211/

Interesting, I wonder where TE got their information, as this is the only time I have read she was last seen in a bathing suit. Maybe from GG?

Thanks for finding this Dushi.