ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - #10

[neesaki]

The name was in a post you quoted
I may have it wrong?

Robyns friend? Is that her name?

But when I went back and checked, I saw the name Christina, and, yes I do know who Christina Jones is, but I didn't see a statement made by her. I'm sure I missed something. I have been just quickly scanning things today, as I have been off, then on, and in a hurry. Sorry, I am just .

 

[Tugela]

LE never discounts a statement from witnesses when they all state the same thing, which is the case here. We know there were multible statements that were basically the same.

The problem is that most of these "witness statements" appear to be news to LE as well. You don't find that odd?

These so called witness accounts are not coming from LE, they are coming from the media.

 

[LambChop]

There were three fishermen, one who was interviewed that day and said he did not see RG and GG for the rest of the day (whatever that means), there was Mr. Silva, there was the fisherman who was out on his boat in the water and identified by LE as also seeing them leaving around or shortly after 4 pm and there was the dive shop owner. That is at least four....all claiming the same thing give or take a slight difference in the timeline but all were consistent in the fact that they left in their rental car. There were probably other witnesses that we just are not aware of. Aruba is not obligated, to tell us how many witnesses there were but all they witnessed was that they left in the car without going in the water. With that many witnesses in the US he'd probably still be in jail.

Aruba let him go because there is no proof of a crime. She's gone but what happened to her. They know GG is lying but what did he do with her. Did he arrange for someone to remove her from the island and she is still alive? While they claim their investigation does not support that they still just don't know at this point because GG claims she disappeared but there is no body, no signs of her body or any of the equipment she was supposed to have on. There is zip and the judge felt there just was not enough to hold him any longer. Until they find her body he will remain a suspect and could for years.

It is easy to look back now and say these people were influenced by the media when in fact at the time they all assumed she drowned while they were snorkeling. The reason it made headlines is because Aruba arrested GG. And they arrested him because of his inconsistent statements and the facts as they knew them and witness statements.

There was a woman who drowned later in the year and there was no big story, no headline news, no GMA. Why??? Because the facts matched the incident. It was ruled an accidental drowning. jmo

 

[neesaki]

The problem is that most of these "witness statements" appear to be news to LE as well. You don't find that odd?

These so called witness accounts are not coming from LE, they are coming from the media.

Do you really believe that Aruba LE is going to release any info. to the public? Are you familiar at all with the Natalee Holloway Case?

 

[LambChop]

The problem is that most of these "witness statements" appear to be news to LE as well. You don't find that odd?

These so called witness accounts are not coming from LE, they are coming from the media.

No, I don't find that odd at all. It's Aruba. If LE interviewed all of them first we wouldn't know who any of them were. Mr. Silva could have mentioned it to the officer he was speaking to that night or maybe he didn't because he did not know the significance. That evening and into the next day this was being treated as an accidential drowning and they expected to find her body in the general area GG described as where they were snorkeling.

It is possible that when GG's story started to fall apart investigators started talking to people who they knew were in the area and without any of the witnesses being aware of the other and they all came up with the same story. It does not mean that each of these witnesses was aware of what the other witnesses were reporting. We don't know but if LE allowed GMA to view all the witness statements they had at the time and report on them they must have had a belief that all these people were accurately reporting what they had seen and they were being truthful. jmo

 

[neesaki]

Unless he could actually see them in the water with snorkeling equipment on.
I would like to know what is meant by "unusual" as in not a good place to see stuff or unusual as in not safe to snorkel there,etc.

Robyn had no snorkeling gear, even GG admitted that. He admitted he had a mask and fins, but never even used his fins. Go figure....

 

[neesaki]

The problem is that most of these "witness statements" appear to be news to LE as well. You don't find that odd?

These so called witness accounts are not coming from LE, they are coming from the media.

Why do you keep repeating this, Tugela? These witness statements are simply witness statements. They are news to LE? Yes, in the beginning, because they actually believed that GG might have actually been telling the truth that it was an accidental drowning. This was before they had any other information on the case.

But then LE realized there was more going on than what GG was telling. Then, it was no longer new news. Not that hard to figure out really, jmo.

 

[Dushi]

But when I went back and checked, I saw the name Christina, and, yes I do know who Christina Jones is, but I didn't see a statement made by her. I'm sure I missed something. I have been just quickly scanning things today, as I have been off, then on, and in a hurry. Sorry, I am just .

Originally Posted by Blueskies

There was that fisherman(Silva)who gave a detailed story about seeing Giordano and Robyn drive off,claiming they were driving the wrong way which caught his attention. During his interview with american media he said the police had not even questioned him yet..Nothing more was said about this possible witness except from Christina Jones who was Robyn roommate. She wrote on FB after returning from Aruba that the ALE told her that the witness got his dates mixed up and he was totally debunked as a witness. Christina strangely also declared her friend dead and announced she was giving Robyns belongings to a battered womans shelter.



You will have to ask Blueskies about the post as it is hers
There is reference to where it was stated but no link
Maybe Blueskies has the link

 

[LambChop]

Originally Posted by Blueskies

There was that fisherman(Silva)who gave a detailed story about seeing Giordano and Robyn drive off,claiming they were driving the wrong way which caught his attention. During his interview with american media he said the police had not even questioned him yet..Nothing more was said about this possible witness except from Christina Jones who was Robyn roommate. She wrote on FB after returning from Aruba that the ALE told her that the witness got his dates mixed up and he was totally debunked as a witness. Christina strangely also declared her friend dead and announced she was giving Robyns belongings to a battered womans shelter.


You will have to ask Blueskies about the post as it is hers
There is reference to where it was stated but no link
Maybe Blueskies has the link

I don't think there is anything strange about Christina declaring RG was dead when GG reported she was in the water and did not follow him out. As far as her giving the clothes away obviously they had all been informed that it was highly unlikely RG would be found alive once they arrested GG. If Christina and RG were sharing expenses you could see why Christina might need to get another roommate and the clothes should have been offered to her family and they may have suggested donating them. Let's face it the FBI would not give RG's mother false hope. jmo

 

[Dushi]

I don't think there is anything strange about Christina declaring RG was dead when GG reported she was in the water and did not follow him out. As far as her giving the clothes away obviously they had all been informed that it was highly unlikely RG would be found alive once they arrested GG. If Christina and RG were sharing expenses you could see why Christina might need to get another roommate and the clothes should have been offered to her family and they may have suggested donating them. Let's face it the FBI would not give RG's mother false hope. jmo

I don't see anything strange about it either

I reposted the post in answer to neesakis question about Christina

 

[Dushi]

Robyn had no snorkeling gear, even GG admitted that. He admitted he had a mask and fins, but never even used his fins. Go figure....

Robyn had no snorkelling gear
Robyn and gary did not ask about snorkelling locations
Its an unlikely place to snorkel

So, why did the owner of Jads assume they were snorkelling?


The last person to see Robyn Gardner and Gary Giordano together was the owner of a dive shop on Aruba who noticed their car far out on a rocky point of the island which he thought was an unlikely place to be snorkeling.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ry?id=14315628

 

[LambChop]

I don't see anything strange about it either

I reposted the post in answer to neesakis question about Christina

Oh, I know Dushi, I was just requoting your quote. It is sad but life goes on.

 

[Dushi]

Oh, I know Dushi, I was just requoting your quote. It is sad but life goes on.

Robyn was staying six nights a week at Richards place, according to Richard
IMO, most of the important things in her life would be with her, so yes, sad but not unusual

 

[LambChop]

Robyn had no snorkelling gear
Robyn and gary did not ask about snorkelling locations
Its an unlikely place to snorkel

So, why did the owner of Jads assume they were snorkelling?


The last person to see Robyn Gardner and Gary Giordano together was the owner of a dive shop on Aruba who noticed their car far out on a rocky point of the island which he thought was an unlikely place to be snorkeling.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ry?id=14315628

I would imagine it was because GG came to the kitchen area of the restaurant for someone to call the police. His story was they were snorkeling and he lost sight of her. If the owner of the dive shop were still there he would have heard that they were snorkeling and came to that conclusion when he heard why the car was parked way out on that jetty.

It must be hard to turn around down towards that point as it does not seem to be very wide??? Dushi do you think they could have even driven down that far? jmo

 

[Dushi]

I would imagine it was because GG came to the kitchen area of the restaurant for someone to call the police. His story was they were snorkeling and he lost sight of her. If the owner of the dive shop were still there he would have heard that they were snorkeling and came to that conclusion when he heard why the car was parked way out on that jetty.

It must be hard to turn around down towards that point as it does not seem to be very wide??? Dushi do you think they could have even driven down that far? jmo

So it is your opinion that the owner of Jads did not assume they were snorkelling til he heard it later that day from GG? hmmm

I don't think you could turn around, well , I couldn't, it becomes very narrow and its very rocky and rugged

My memories are vague about that jetty, rocky point

Interesting that nobody has mentioned seeing the Rav 4 backing up though

You can drive down behind the buildings to the rocky point, not to the very point, of course, sort of at the side of the jetty
I wonder if this is what Jads owner meant
Beyond the sandy beach to the rocky shore line
This makes far more sense to me as it would be easy to turn around and drive off

He said he saw them far out on a rocky point of the Island, but didn't call it the jetty

IIRC someone else said they saw them walking on the jetty

 

[LambChop]

So it is your opinion that the owner of Jads did not assume they were snorkelling til he heard it later that day from GG? hmmm

I don't think you could turn around, well , I couldn't, it becomes very narrow and its very rocky and rugged

My memories are vague about that jetty, rocky point

Interesting that nobody has mentioned seeing the Rav 4 backing up though

You can drive down behind the buildings to the rocky point, not to the very point, of course, sort of at the side of the jetty
I wonder if this is what Jads owner meant
Beyond the sandy beach to the rocky shore line
This makes far more sense to me as it would be easy to turn around and drive off

He said he saw them far out on a rocky point of the Island, but didn't call it the jetty

IIRC someone else said they saw them walking on the jetty

I'm thinking when the dive shop owner first saw them it was odd to him and he obviously wondered why they would be out there. Immediately after GG call LE and they arrived it was clear what they were doing (according to Mr. Silva) and they were all looking in the water for movement, that there was a possibility she could still be out there snorkeling.

Wasn't GG talking to locals prior to LE arriving. There were people who noticed he had a scratch on his face and he explained that he and RG had not been arguing, that he would not have killed her. That statement is strange all by itself. jmo

 

[Dushi]

Two weeks after she went missing in Aruba, more details are emerging about the last moments before Robyn Gardner vanished.
The owner of a dive shop next to the Rum Reef Bar and Grill, who declined to be identified, told ABC News that Miss Gardner and Gary Giordano went into the restaurant on the afternoon she vanished.
The couple then walked into the dive shop, but didn't rent any equipment.


The shop owner said he later saw Miss Gardner and Mr Giordano on a dirt road in a remote part of the beach, where Giordano later claimed she disappeared while snorkelling.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ssing-woman-Gary-Giordano-hours-vanished.html



So in this article, the rocky point becomes a dirt road

 

[Blueskies]

Originally Posted by Blueskies

There was that fisherman(Silva)who gave a detailed story about seeing Giordano and Robyn drive off,claiming they were driving the wrong way which caught his attention. During his interview with american media he said the police had not even questioned him yet..Nothing more was said about this possible witness except from Christina Jones who was Robyn roommate. She wrote on FB after returning from Aruba that the ALE told her that the witness got his dates mixed up and he was totally debunked as a witness. Christina strangely also declared her friend dead and announced she was giving Robyns belongings to a battered womans shelter.



You will have to ask Blueskies about the post as it is hers
There is reference to where it was stated but no link
Maybe Blueskies has the link

She gave more details when she arrived home from her trip to Aruba but I dont have the link..it's very close as to what I stated above

But she also mentioned the witness here too

Paula RussoHelp Find Robyn Colson - Gardner : Missing in Aruba
I was looking back at one of the articles of robyn going missing and it says that the fisherman who saw GG and Robyn walk along the beach & drove away.. Now where did GG drive Robyn? where did he take her. Have aruban authorities issue a whole island wide search of Robyn?
Like · · October 9, 2011 at 3:59am via mobile ·

Help Find Robyn Colson - Gardner : Missing in Aruba The police said that story did not match up. It was a lie
October 9, 2011 at 3:41pm · Like

Help Find Robyn Colson - Gardner : Missing in Aruba As in its been debunked -CJ
October 9, 2011 at 3:42pm · Like

Carla King You're saying they did not drive away? This is what has been reported in all the media reports, that they were never seen to go in the water, and drove away.
October 9, 2011 at 11:45pm · Like

Help Find Robyn Colson - Gardner : Missing in Aruba no what i am saying is that this "person"...his story did not match up with dates and times.
October 10, 2011 at 9:34am · Like

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=259238594120081&id=230993886944552

 

[Elley Mae]

So do I have it right that the fisherman was wrong in what he saw, or that neither was seen out of the vehicle, or that it was not robyn and gg.

 

[Dushi]

So do I have it right that the fisherman was wrong in what he saw, or that neither was seen out of the vehicle, or that it was not robyn and gg.

I read it as the fisherman had inaccurate information