ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - #10

[Sapphire]

There is zero physical evidence and the only witness statement of this is GG. He seems to believe this was her fate by statements he has made. Witness statements, however, disagree that they went into the water shortly after 4pm but claim they left in their rental car. jmo

I agree with the witness statements. IMO, they never went into the water, at least not at that location, and for snorkeling purposes.

 

[vlpate]

And IF this was a set up, the whole idea would have been to collect, however, being arrested would have changed things

And he wanted this to look like a drowning long before JB became involved
I am not into JB, so I really don't care much about him
this all happened prior to his involvement IMO

At some point Robyn will be declared dead. Her alimony payments were stopped and that is puzzling to me. There's only a few reasons, lawfully, alimony is terminated - I've not seen "missing" as one of them.

What is going to happen when she is declared dead, the way Natalee was recently. Will he be collecting 1.5 mil 5 years from now.

I think we will see the insurance company become much more aggressive in their investigation when and if this comes up. JMO, not at all sure how this will play out.

 

[LambChop]

At some point Robyn will be declared dead. Her alimony payments were stopped and that is puzzling to me. There's only a few reasons, lawfully, alimony is terminated - I've not seen "missing" as one of them.

What is going to happen when she is declared dead, the way Natalee was recently. Will he be collecting 1.5 mil 5 years from now.

I think we will see the insurance company become much more aggressive in their investigation when and if this comes up. JMO, not at all sure how this will play out.

I think the statement he had to LE that they had been drinking and RG had taken sleeping pills may have shut the door on GG in terms of collecting. I don't see them paying. The fact that GG still remains a suspect will also not help him in putting in a claim. If there is the least amount of doubt, they just will not pay. I don't think GG would draw attention to himself again by bringing this to court. This would bring the focus back to all he cares about is the money not the fact that she is missing.

As far as the alimony. He has no one to send it to because he does not know where she is, or if she is even dead. My guess is the court will allow him to suspend those payments until RG is no longer considered missing and presumed dead. Then, again, if she had a court date and did not show up the judge may have terminated his payments to her and released him from that obligation. jmo

 

[Dushi]

I've only seen one interview with Christine Jones - did someone mention there's a search video of her in Aruba? I've not been able to find it. I didn't hear her talk about what the past was that Robyn knew about, were there details or was that a general statement by CJ?

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I will try to find the video of her interview on the beach
Its not too far back

I am not positive if it was her or someone else that said she was aware
I will look for that as well

 

[Niner]

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It's possible that GG's intention all along was that RG would not be found at Baby Beach. If he researched and found certain currents along the eastern coast cliff area had a strong rip tide he may have felt there was a good chance no one would find her because he had them searching in another area for days. I mean, why the two days to visit this particular jetty? Why make yourself known and be seen on camera at this location two days in a row at the same time of the day. Did GG want to establish that this was their main interest and choice as a snorkeling site to throw a search off into an area where he knew no body would ever be found? There are a lot of questions.

If he researched anything (on his computer), you would think that the FBI would have that information by now!! And this case would be moving along - but I guess we won't be hearing from the FBI anything soon...

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

I will try to find the video of her interview on the beach
Its not too far back

I am not positive if it was her or someone else that said she was aware
I will look for that as well

Frankly Dushi I don't think you need to do more research on this subject, it has been argued ad nauseam throughout the posts of this case that "Robyn hadn't just met GG a month prior to their vacation together" Many of these discussions were USED to prove what a despicable man GG was, ironically by the same posters now claiming RG never had any idea he was a "bad guy".

Opportunistically we could now assume GG NEVER acted wrongly to RG, and by those actions his prior behavior with "other" women have absolutely nothing to do with TRHIS case.

Question for LC:
One more point "how can one say that LE does not look at a victims behavior as a possible contributing factor in a crime----isn't that considered "Victimology"? It would seem to me it would be as pertinent as the Suspects . JMO

 

[LambChop]

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If he researched anything (on his computer), you would think that the FBI would have that information by now!! And this case would be moving along - but I guess we won't be hearing from the FBI anything soon...

He may not have used his computer. If he used someone else's computer the FBI would never know unless that person came forward a knew he was searching. Working with computers I'm sure he covered his tracks if he did do a search. jmo

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Public opinion is one thing. A court of law in the US is another. The burden of proof is on the State and the jury is suppose to base their verdict on whether or not there is enough evidence to prove someone is guilty or not guilty. Texan's, as a rule, have some pretty strong opinions about justice. Public opinion is just that opinion andjuries are picked because a juror has stated they have no strong opinion one way or another and that if they do have an opinion they are able to set it aside and consider the evidence provided with an open mind. In the US there are checks and balances in place to ensure the defendant gets a fair trial as was evident in a couple of recent trials in Florida. jmo

The 1st BBM seems very clear to me--this is what we are talking about in that ALE apparently DID NOT feel they have enough evidence, that is why he was released.........

the 2nd BBM seems to be evidence that some people could not be jurors if this case goes to trial. ONLY MY OPINION

 

[LambChop]

http://www.nobodycases.com/tips.pdf

While this is a long article to read it has some valuable information on how LE treats "no body cases". They do look into victims backgrounds to try to establish if the person missing is a victim of a homocide or has just disappeared on their own. They do not, however, spend time on wild speculation when there is no evidence to support it. Since LE has identified a "suspect" the belief is that he, and he alone is responsible for RG's disappearance. This is where their investigation led them and what they concluded in their findings. No where did I see anything reported by the Aruban government/FBI that they suspect RG was involved in some type of criminal activity that caused her disappearance.

I also do not remember seeing a video or a post of an interview with CJ in Aruba but I will do a search to see if I can find it.

If it's out there and there is reason to believe RG was involved with GG in a criminal manner, I'd love to see the link. Otherwise it is what is it wild speculation. jmo

 

[LambChop]

The 1st BBM seems very clear to me--this is what we are talking about in that ALE apparently DID NOT feel they have enough evidence, that is why he was released.........

the 2nd BBM seems to be evidence that some people could not be jurors if this case goes to trial. ONLY MY OPINION

LE never said there was not enough evidence. One judge made that decision. T. Stein feels there was plenty of evidence just that there was no body.

There are no jurors in Aruba. jmo

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

LE never said there was not enough evidence. One judge made that decision. T. Stein feels there was plenty of evidence just that there was no body.

There are no jurors in Aruba. jmo

Is T. Stein even in Aruba anymore? Wish I knew where I heard it but think he has been transferred. Maybe you could check that out when you go to Aruba.

Why does that not surprise me--One judge is all they need, huh?

 

[LambChop]

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest...irl-Hunt-continues-for-Robyn-Gardner/(page)/2

I found this one but it just claims that CJ had never met GG and only knew of him through what RG had told her and that one incident on the phone in July when she blew him off about the cruise. This one was early in the investigation and she does not mention how abusive GG was to other women so not sure she knew about his history at this point. It's not clear what CJ knew only that she did not like him.

So if CJ did mention GG's past behavior did she say RG told her about it or was this just information she received once it was reported by the media. I didn't see the interview in Aruba so it would be interesting to see what she had to say about GG. jmo

 

[Sapphire]

Is T. Stein even in Aruba anymore? Wish I knew where I heard it but think he has been transferred. Maybe you could check that out when you go to Aruba.

Why does that not surprise me--One judge is all they need, huh?

Taco Stein is being transferred to St. Maarten effective April 1 to take the position of St. Maartens first Solicitor General.

http://www.todaysxm.com/2012/01/31/duncan-has-lots-of-work-for-stein/

 

[Elley Mae]

I've only seen one interview with Christine Jones - did someone mention there's a search video of her in Aruba? I've not been able to find it. I didn't hear her talk about what the past was that Robyn knew about, were there details or was that a general statement by CJ?

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aruba interview

http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/vi...pkey=61296284-4673-4972-bf16-4633c4b41d35||||

CBS interview

Missing woman's roommate speaks out - YouTube

abc interview

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-ar...gressive-texts/story?id=14279819#.T1kzD3n0S9I

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Taco Stein is being transferred to St. Maarten effective April 1 to take the position of St. Maartens first Solicitor General.

http://www.todaysxm.com/2012/01/31/duncan-has-lots-of-work-for-stein/

Thanks Sapphire,

There has been more then once you have come to my resuce with confirmation of a statement.

I also see where the St Maartens Justice Minister , Roland Duncan had this to say about Mr. Stein:

"I have weighed the good and bad of his record and the scales weigh in his favor overall":what:

That seems a wierd statement to make, huh? Wonder what the bad has been?

 

[neesaki]

NANCY GRACE

Possible Motive in Gardner Aruba Disappearance?

Aired August 17, 2011 - 20:00:00 ET



"DR. MARTY MCCARRY, M.D., PHYSICIAN, PROFESSOR OF PUBLIC HEALTH, JOH HOPKINS: It sounds like all of the ingredients of a typical sex crime or some intention to do some harm to somebody. You know creating a narrative where somebody was on sleeping pills would also fit a narrative where somebody was, say, had a Rohypnol or Ativan, one of the sedatives that could go in somebody`s drink or they simply fit a story where somebody wanted to say that they were lost or missing or washed ashore while, say, snorkeling.

So, these all fit together. They sound like ingredients on what sounds to be a sort of, you know, bad intentioned crime of some kind, sexual crime perhaps premeditated where you know this life insurance would explain that maybe there is something more to a simple sexual crime here."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/17/ng.01.html

 

[neesaki]

NANCY GRACE

Possible Motive in Gardner Aruba Disappearance?

Aired August 17, 2011 - 20:00:00 ET

To Caryn Stark, psychologist, New York.

"Caryn, I know that you have been combing over the facts of the case. But you put all this together with his stone fortress that has been described home in Maryland where he`s got surveillance cameras everywhere, including in the bedroom, women complaining they had video of them during sex, another woman claiming that he offered her an Aruban vacation, another woman claiming that he beat her, another woman claiming that when she reached up to touch his hair, he grabbed her arm and twisted it. Add it all together and he`s volunteering so much information.

CARYN STARK, PSYCHOLOGIST, NEW YORK: And, Nancy, if you came home and John David said to you I didn`t eat the cookies, what would you think?

GRACE: I would know he ate the cookies.

STARCK: Exactly. Well, here is a guy saying you know this isn`t Natalee Holloway. It is not going to be that kind of incident. Also saying, well, my companion is on a different plane, but nobody really wanted to know. So he`s telling you out of guilt, he`s giving you too much information without anybody really asking. And he`s making all these mistakes that anybody who was really pulled together and knew what they were doing would never have timelines that contradicted.

GRACE: The timeline is really fouling him up."

 

[vlpate]

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If he researched anything (on his computer), you would think that the FBI would have that information by now!! And this case would be moving along - but I guess we won't be hearing from the FBI anything soon...

Researching something on your computer is not a crime - and without a body or jurisdiction, no arrest. I'm sure they have his computer information, but they're not obligated to inform us of it's contents unless and until there is an arrest.

JMO

 

[vlpate]

Thanks Sapphire,

There has been more then once you have come to my resuce with confirmation of a statement.

I also see where the St Maartens Justice Minister , Roland Duncan had this to say about Mr. Stein:

"I have weighed the good and bad of his record and the scales weigh in his favor overall":what:

That seems a wierd statement to make, huh? Wonder what the bad has been?

It probably means nobody is perfect?

Also from the article:
"Duncan has already decided he wants Stein to chair the committee on money laundering and terrorism that Prime Minister Sarah Wescot-Williams announced on January 11, spearhead the ministry’s efforts on preventing crime, supervising the work of the public prosecutor and handling appeal cases in the criminal court and directly supervise the use of powers that will be given to the police and prosecutor under the law on special investigative powers (Bob)"
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Sounds like a position for someone of high qualifications. Good for him.

 

[neesaki]

http://www.nobodycases.com/tips.pdf

While this is a long article to read it has some valuable information on how LE treats "no body cases". They do look into victims backgrounds to try to establish if the person missing is a victim of a homocide or has just disappeared on their own. They do not, however, spend time on wild speculation when there is no evidence to support it. Since LE has identified a "suspect" the belief is that he, and he alone is responsible for RG's disappearance. This is where their investigation led them and what they concluded in their findings. No where did I see anything reported by the Aruban government/FBI that they suspect RG was involved in some type of criminal activity that caused her disappearance.

I also do not remember seeing a video or a post of an interview with CJ in Aruba but I will do a search to see if I can find it.

If it's out there and there is reason to believe RG was involved with GG in a criminal manner, I'd love to see the link. Otherwise it is what is it wild speculation. jmo

As far as I know there's no real reason to believe RG was involved in any criminal activity at all. It has been speculated by some since the beginning that the possibility existed that she may have played a role in her own disappearance, and some have suggested it may have been a scheme between her and GG.

That is the reason I think that we have chosen to discuss it, simply because it was just another possibility, even if not a strong one.

I even wonder if the judge who released GG believed there was a chance of this, and that maybe that along with the fact that there is no body, factored into his decision that GG could no longer be held.