ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - #11

[R.U.Kidding!]

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Wouldn't the FBI like to find that little tidbit of information on his computer???

My point being--why would GG need to obtain an attorney to give him answers he would be very familiar with. That is considering his involvement with many aspects of the law. I think He would already have the answers, and no I guess they are not on his computer, since i believe we would have heard something about that by now. JMO

 

[LambChop]

Really

I think that is a bit of a stretch

There are lakes and rivers and streams everywhere

And sadly, people disappear everywhere

and really, even having said that, I still don't get your comment about it being one of his favorite spots


Have any of his travel partners disappeared on these cruise?

People disappear off cruise ships all the time. Clearly 5 cruises in a short period of time seem to indicate it was a favorite spot for him. RG would not go so he suggested Aruba, telling her he could use his points. I don't see it as a stretch but rather a pattern. He took her to a place that he had tried to get other women to go, yes Aruba, telling them it was not going to be "one of those NH things." That would be enough to make my skin crawl and suddenly I would not be answering phone calls, emails or texts from him. Which apparently is what these women tried to do. They said Aruba, no one said St. Maarten, Bahamas, Bermuda, he invited them to go to Aruba. We may never know if he tried numerous times to get RG to go with him to Aruba because she can no longer tell us. But we know from other's he did invite them to go to Aruba with him. jmo

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Is that said tongue in cheek, lol ? :innocent:

Maybe not MSM, but is frequently linked or quoted in the forums.

Ijmo that GG is a creepy guy regardless of where he goes.

http://abcnews.go.com/meta/search/i....com/images/GMA/abc_aruba_boyfriend_nt_110812

Well it could be, LOL....but the fact of the matter is we really have no solid evidence to prove he murdered Robyn.....so could be an accident.

....and your right Neesaki, NE is used and discussed here very often, I was just pulling your chain. Creepy IS as Creepy Does? Have to agree on the Creepy Mr. Giordano. :hills:

 

[LambChop]

My point being--why would GG need to obtain an attorney to give him answers he would be very familiar with. That is considering his involvement with many aspects of the law. I think He would already have the answers, and no I guess they are not on his computer, since i believe we would have heard something about that by now. JMO

Well, GG did, in fact, have an attorney with him when he showed up to search the following day and admitted the attorney advised him about the insurance and was representing him as a personal injury attorney, not a criminal one. GG openly admits he hired the attorney for insurance purposes only. I would say if his story was not going over too well with LE, say their questions were those of suspicion about the statement he had made he could very well have wanted an attorney to be with him under the pretense that he hired him to handle the insurance issue. GG had no plans to ever share 1/3 of that insurance money with an Aruban attorney. The attorney can not disclose legal questions that GG might have asked him regarding GG's statement that was given to LE. He's a lot slicker than we would think. He just missed checking out some very important details in his story prior to giving his statement which is why he spent all that time in jail. Plus after hours of searching on the night RG disappeared and in the constant company of LE how does one suddenly become "drunk". Drunk by design is a possibility when you don't care to answer any more questions. jmo

 

[LambChop]

Maybe it wasn't his original plan. Maybe he did just sign the insurance papers because he always did that when he took vacations. But once they got there, it occurred to him that she was a possible way out of the financial mess he was in. And maybe she was so negative, and made him so mad the way she was acting, that he decided to go ahead and do it.

I think he always planned to make money off of her in some way. I think the original plan was for 'dirty pictures' to be sold. But maybe he decided that was not enough this time. A million dollars is a big bonus.

Didn't he describe himself as a professional photographer who wanted to take a mother and daughter to Aruba for a photo shoot? And we do know he took pictures of RG so we know there's a market for these type of pictures and it is possible he makes "under the counter" money off them. jmo

 

[katydid23]

Didn't he describe himself as a professional photographer who wanted to take a mother and daughter to Aruba for a photo shoot? And we do know he took pictures of RG so we know there's a market for these type of pictures and it is possible he makes "under the counter" money off them. jmo

And RG spent a lot of money having her hair extensions done BEFORE she went to Aruba. I have always wondered why, because my daughter has expensive extensions too, and she is very careful about WHEN she has them put in.

My DD is an actress and feels that she needs the extensions. But they are expensive. And she doers not go into the ocean when she has 'new ones' put in. She usually has them done right after the start of summer, so she can swim for awhile before they get replaced. We live on the coast so she loves to swim in the ocean, and she does that at the 'end' of her extensions cycle. It ruins them pretty quickly.

So knowing that, WHY would RG have them done before her trip to the beach resort? If she really planned on swimming and snorkeling then she would have waited and done them when she returned. I think she had them done because she was planning on having her photo shoot in Aruba. That is what he usually promised the ones he invited to go to Aruba with him.

 

[Dushi]

People disappear off cruise ships all the time. Clearly 5 cruises in a short period of time seem to indicate it was a favorite spot for him. RG would not go so he suggested Aruba, telling her he could use his points. I don't see it as a stretch but rather a pattern. He took her to a place that he had tried to get other women to go, yes Aruba, telling them it was not going to be "one of those NH things." That would be enough to make my skin crawl and suddenly I would not be answering phone calls, emails or texts from him. Which apparently is what these women tried to do. They said Aruba, no one said St. Maarten, Bahamas, Bermuda, he invited them to go to Aruba. We may never know if he tried numerous times to get RG to go with him to Aruba because she can no longer tell us. But we know from other's he did invite them to go to Aruba with him. jmo

I am very aware of that

But my question was, did any of GGs travel partners disappear?

And I am not really sure why we are discussing cruises at all because RG did not disapear on a cruise


Why do five cruises in a row make Aruba a favorite spot or are you saying he liked to cruise?

Its not clear to me

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Well, GG did, in fact, have an attorney with him when he showed up to search the following day and admitted the attorney advised him about the insurance and was representing him as a personal injury attorney, not a criminal one. GG openly admits he hired the attorney for insurance purposes only. I would say if his story was not going over too well with LE, say their questions were those of suspicion about the statement he had made he could very well have wanted an attorney to be with him under the pretense that he hired him to handle the insurance issue. GG had no plans to ever share 1/3 of that insurance money with an Aruban attorney. The attorney can not disclose legal questions that GG might have asked him regarding GG's statement that was given to LE. He's a lot slicker than we would think. He just missed checking out some very important details in his story prior to giving his statement which is why he spent all that time in jail. Plus after hours of searching on the night RG disappeared and in the constant company of LE how does one suddenly become "drunk". Drunk by design is a possibility when you don't care to answer any more questions. jmo

GGGRRRRRRR! LC--You are the one that said GG hired this attorney to find out how to file the insurance claim, right? You also said he "rushed" to make the call for collection of the money, right? I never denied he had an attorney only the reasons you gave.

.....Where did the "Drunk" discussion come from? I never mentioned it, and that statement was made by Mr. Silva, who for all we know may have been drunk himself--since his statement was never made to ALE only to Ashley Banfield. He is the same one who said ALE never interviewed him because they were lazy?
I know I am not going down the attorney road any further, apparently I am just not making myself clear, sorry.:twocents:

 

[Blueskies]

Why would you suggest its his favorite vacation spot?
I have never read anything about him being a frequent visitor

Lambchop, I firmly believe you can get rid of someone anywhere
Look around at how many people are missing and can't be found on this forum

Yes it's true you can dissapear someone almost anywhere and crime happens everywhere..The difference is Aruba and Cruise Ships want to wash their hands clean and often times the investigation is over before it begins...IMO..Look what happened to George Smith or the person who disspapeared off the cruise ship off Aruba who started that cruise ship victim forum. Gary Makings,Buddy Larson,Max De Vries etc etc..Cruise Ships and Aruba have earned that bad reputation and rightfully so. It's not that either is the most dangerous on earth it's when something bad does happen there is never justice..Tourism always comes first..IMO

Anyway,Judging by what we know of Gary he was quite seaworthy and knew the ocean fairly well..IMO









I still think the soaking wet socks and shoes are the biggest clue. In my opinion theres no way that guy went snorkling with his shoes on..They got wet either by pushing off a boat..Or from one of the cliffs and if thats the case he would have had to weigh her down..JMHO

 

[LambChop]

I am very aware of that

But my question was, did any of GGs travel partners disappear?

And I am not really sure why we are discussing cruises at all because RG did not disapear on a cruise


Why do five cruises in a row make Aruba a favorite spot or are you saying he liked to cruise?

Its not clear to me

Five cruises make cruises a favorite vacation choice. Going to Aruba was suggested for other women to accompany him on vacation. Not the Bahamas or any other island for that matter, only Aruba. He obviously was interested in going to Aruba and it seemed to be a favorite choice in his decision to pick a designation for RG and others as well. Some say he was obsessed with the NH case and he obviously was very interested in going to Aruba if he was asking others to go with him.

The four cruises he went on I got the idea the woman paid her own way, on at least two of those cruises they were with family and she probably had her own insurance policy. I perfer to get my own no matter who I travel with. Not all women would agree to let him take a policy out on them which very well could have been the case. RG seemed to be too trusting and she apparently signed that form. We do not know if he ever attempted to get policies on others but if the woman who went on the cruise with him let him get a $1.5 mil life insurance policy on her I think she would have mentioned it. He said he does it for anyone he is traveling with. We have seen no evidence that he has ever done this before much less that he has ever purchased a $1.5 mil life insurance policy on himself, ever. If I were JB I'd be waving that paperwork in the air as proof this was normal for him to do. jmo

 

[neesaki]

One can only hope that one of those "blonds" he has seen lately is an FBI agent. LOL

:yes:Sounds like it would make a great movie too, undercover lures him in via his favorite swingers site then discovers more than she bargained for .... that GG's the one and only Deer Mask Serial Killer. The heroine has to get rescued of course by the hero. Hmmm, how about heroine, Ann Margaret and hero, Elvis, ya know he's not really dead, :giggle:. Then Elvis can judo GG all the way to the slammer, then end the movie playing :jail:house Rock, only this time he's not the inmate. Hey, it even has a better ending, lol.

 

[LambChop]

Yes it's true you can dissapear someone almost anywhere and crime happens everywhere..The difference is Aruba and Cruise Ships want to wash their hands clean and often times the investigation is over before it begins...IMO..Look what happened to George Smith or the person who disspapeared off the cruise ship off Aruba who started that cruise ship victim forum. Gary Makings,Buddy Larson,Max De Vries etc etc..Cruise Ships and Aruba have earned that bad reputation and rightfully so. It's not that either is the most dangerous on earth it's when something bad does happen there is never justice..Tourism always comes first..IMO

Anyway,Judging by what we know of Gary he was quite seaworthy and knew the ocean fairly well..IMO









I still think the soaking wet socks and shoes are the biggest clue. In my opinion theres no way that guy went snorkling with his shoes on..They got wet either by pushing off a boat..Or from one of the cliffs and if thats the case he would have had to weigh her down..JMHO

Very true, Blueskies. It appears he knew more than enough to not take a woman who was drinking and had taken sleeping pills earlier in the day snorkeling. But that his story and he's sticking to it. jmo

 

[neesaki]

Yes it's true you can dissapear someone almost anywhere and crime happens everywhere..The difference is Aruba and Cruise Ships want to wash their hands clean and often times the investigation is over before it begins...IMO..Look what happened to George Smith or the person who disspapeared off the cruise ship off Aruba who started that cruise ship victim forum. Gary Makings,Buddy Larson,Max De Vries etc etc..Cruise Ships and Aruba have earned that bad reputation and rightfully so. It's not that either is the most dangerous on earth it's when something bad does happen there is never justice..Tourism always comes first..IMO

Anyway,Judging by what we know of Gary he was quite seaworthy and knew the ocean fairly well..IMO









I still think the soaking wet socks and shoes are the biggest clue. In my opinion theres no way that guy went snorkling with his shoes on..They got wet either by pushing off a boat..Or from one of the cliffs and if thats the case he would have had to weigh her down..JMHO

And Amy Bradley too. The cruise ship refused to close down the ship to try to keep whoever took her from getting off. Then they didn't even search the ship, though at first they lied to the Bradley's and claimed they did. It's all about image, they could care less if someone gets murdered or kidnapped, all they care about is covering it up and damage control.

Isn't GG also a certified scuba diver?

Btw, thanks for these photos of GG on the boat, etc. I saw them months ago, then could never find them again.

Forgot to add, Ita about the wet socks and shoes.

 

[LambChop]

If GG's answers were being looked at by LE in a critical manner I would think GG (being the scam artist he is known to be) would not want to answer any more questions until he could sound more credible. What better way to put LE off than to act suddenly "drunk" so that you have time to get an attorney which is exactly what GG did. Because of attorney/client priviledge we do not know what GG discussed with the attorney before LE continued their discussion the following day. The only statement that a very unhappy attorney (ML) made was GG knows what we discussed when responding to GG's statement about why he hired ML and what they discussed. jmo

 

[Dushi]

GGGRRRRRRR! LC--You are the one that said GG hired this attorney to find out how to file the insurance claim, right? You also said he "rushed" to make the call for collection of the money, right? I never denied he had an attorney only the reasons you gave.

.....Where did the "Drunk" discussion come from? I never mentioned it, and that statement was made by Mr. Silva, who for all we know may have been drunk himself--since his statement was never made to ALE only to Ashley Banfield. He is the same one who said ALE never interviewed him because they were lazy?
I know I am not going down the attorney road any further, apparently I am just not making myself clear, sorry.:twocents:

LOL, I agree
I seem to have the same problem

 

[Blueskies]

And Amy Bradley too. The cruise ship refused to close down the ship to try to keep whoever took her from getting off. Then they didn't even search the ship, though at first they lied to the Bradley's and claimed they did. It's all about image, they could care less if someone gets murdered or kidnapped, all they care about is covering it up and damage control.

Isn't GG also a certified scuba diver?

Btw, thanks for these photos of GG on the boat, etc. I saw them months ago, then could never find them again.

Yes of course,we cannot forget about Amy..TY..As you know theres much more that happened aboard that ship with Amy including her being the only passenger on that ship where her cruise pictures dissapeared(Google Chris Fenwick). What a strange nightmare that has been for the Bradleys and much of what is puzzling happened on the cruise ship,with Yellow the Musician and the Scientologists..Yellow ran into the younger brother just shortly after she went missing and he said sorry about your sister..Which they found odd since no one was notified yet of her dissapearance..He also made another eery comment that you will never find her.

Members of SEA ORG boarded the cruise ship when it was docked on Aruba and were interviewing/talking to Amy just before she vanished and were completely cold to the parents..Two High ranking Scientology members appeared at MIDNIGHT after Amy vanished asking strange questions like What is Amy's favorite snack? What is her favorite gum? Now that you've lost Amy, let's talk about what you haven't lost. What kind of colas does Amy like? What is Amy's favorite sport? Tell us some thing you haven't lost.

Whats strange is they said they were sent from the US Consulate to help the Bradleys which they found out later was a huge LIE..It was the first time in that ship's history that the ship took off with no port of call the morning after Amy went missing. First time in recent memory it left during that time of year as normally it stayed docked.

Her picture did appear on a adult vacation site in 2005 that at the time was located at Margarita Island. If you don't believe Blondes are ever trafficked you should look again at all the Russian Women that are part of Adult Vacations in the Caribbean and other exotic locations.

YW..I don't know if he is certified..Supposedly his ebay acct that we all have looked shows him buying dive equipment. I wouldn't be suprised at all if he was a avid diver/snorkler and it makes it all that more ridiculous he was swimming with shoes and socks on in the ocean. Then complaining he was fighting for his life in calm waters. He said he was in water 10-20 feet deep? Have you seen the video of how shallow the water was at that spot? Can anyone picture Robyn and GG snorkling over 100 yards from the rocks? I cant

 

[LambChop]

GGGRRRRRRR! LC--You are the one that said GG hired this attorney to find out how to file the insurance claim, right? You also said he "rushed" to make the call for collection of the money, right? I never denied he had an attorney only the reasons you gave.

.....Where did the "Drunk" discussion come from? I never mentioned it, and that statement was made by Mr. Silva, who for all we know may have been drunk himself--since his statement was never made to ALE only to Ashley Banfield. He is the same one who said ALE never interviewed him because they were lazy?
I know I am not going down the attorney road any further, apparently I am just not making myself clear, sorry.:twocents:

GG made those statements on GMA about why he hired the attorney. It's also documented when he called the insurance company. RG disappeared on Tuesday evening and he was inquiring about the insurance within 24 hours. Some media reports say he was trying to put in a claim which would make sense if the insurance company actually called LE to verify she had drowned.

If GG felt he was in trouble talking to LE he would have wanted an attorney and apparently he had one the following day. I may not have been clear but I do see a certain pattern here that GG wanted to "protect" himself, either way. jmo

 

[Dushi]

GG made those statements on GMA about why he hired the attorney. It's also documented when he called the insurance company. RG disappeared on Tuesday evening and he was inquiring about the insurance within 24 hours. Some media reports say he was trying to put in a claim which would make sense if the insurance company actually called LE to verify she had drowned.

If GG felt he was in trouble talking to LE he would have wanted an attorney and apparently he had one the following day. I may not have been clear but I do see a certain pattern here that GG wanted to "protect" himself, either way. jmo

Lambchop

One question, if I may

Up thread you suggested that GG may have felt he had to make a claim or at least give the insurance company a heads up because some policies only cover you while you are away.

I also recall you saying you workrd for the legal dept of an insurance company


Is the above based on your experience or is this just a guess?

 

[neesaki]

:yes:Sounds like it would make a great movie too, undercover lures him in via his favorite swingers site then discovers more than she bargained for .... that GG's the one and only Deer Mask Serial Killer. The heroine has to get rescued of course by the hero. Hmmm, how about heroine, Ann Margaret and hero, Elvis, ya know he's not really dead, :giggle:. Then Elvis can judo GG all the way to the slammer, then end the movie playing :jail:house Rock, only this time he's not the inmate. Hey, it even has a better ending, lol.

Btw, as much as I love Elvis, I wasn't a big fan of his movies.

So I'm still waiting for someone to tell me that on a cheese scale of one to ten, this would most likely be a twelve, lol.

 

[LambChop]

Lambchop

One question, if I may

Up thread you suggested that GG may have felt he had to make a claim or at least give the insurance company a heads up because some policies only cover you while you are away.

I also recall you saying you workrd for the legal dept of an insurance company


Is the above based on your experience or is this just a guess?

The insurance policy only covered their trip and ended when the returned home. RG did not return home and she disappeared while on vacation during the time she would have been covered. That we know as a fact.

I don't know why GG would consult an attorney other than the reasons he stated, which his attorney feels he cannot comment on and GG will not give him permission to discuss anything they talked about. It's all coming from GG. GG claims his attorney told him to call the insurance company and GG also claims he was told by the American consulate to notify the insurance company but we've never heard confirmation of this. Surely the American consulate would have spoken out in his defense. GG also stated he was encourgaged by RG's mother to leave the island yet has she ever confirmed that conversation took place? I don't know.

He's a suspect for a reason and we're just trying to connect the dots. It's good to go back and forth with different views because at some point things may start to make sense. Not everyone sees a situation the same and this is good because the end goal is to come as close as we can to find out what really happened from the facts we know. jmo