ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - #11

[neesaki]

The waters up by the lighthouse and out a ways into the ocean are quite rough because there are different currents merging there. Strong currents coming from the Atlantic side running right into the milder currents that run alongside the western beach areas. Even on a calm day those waters can be quite choppy and this is all the time. Again, not a place you ever seen swimmers. jmo

But this isn't where GG claims that Robyn disappeared, right?

 

[Blueskies]

But this isn't where GG claims that Robyn disappeared, right?

Lambchops is talking about the North end where they spent most of the time searching for Natalee. 4 years ago they supposedly spent over a million dollars searching a large grid by sonar that extended 10 miles out for Natalee Holloways body. She is right the waters are very rough up North.
http://www.nholloway.blogspot.com/

This satelite view gives a great shot at the currents around the southern tip and the area they searched by foot that goes up to the prison.

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/40059593

 

[neesaki]

The waters up by the lighthouse and out a ways into the ocean are quite rough because there are different currents merging there. Strong currents coming from the Atlantic side running right into the milder currents that run alongside the western beach areas. Even on a calm day those waters can be quite choppy and this is all the time. Again, not a place you ever seen swimmers. jmo

So is this one of the locations you think GG may have taken Robyn?

 

[neesaki]

Re: the bolded: what did he mean by that, the wrong part of the ocean? TIA

Blueskies, you may have missed this question earlier. Do you know what was meant by searching in the "wrong part of the ocean"? TIA

 

[Blueskies]

Blueskies, you may have missed this question earlier. Do you know what was meant by searching in the "wrong part of the ocean"? TIA

He thought that after almost two weeks it was already too late to find her in the waters around Aruba. If she was in the ocean and with some luck he thought her remains could show up on the venezuelan coast.

 

[Dushi]

Maybe it is a misconception that there are no currents in calm looking water

There is also a misconception that calm water is always safe and this is sometimes where people choose to swim as an alternative to between the red and yellow flags. Unfortunately, these calmer waters present the typical appearance of where rip currents begin. The surface of the water often has a calmer appearance with ripples on the surface indicting a subtle flow of water away from the beach.

http://www.ripcurrents.com.au/About-Rip-Currents/Why-are-Rip-Currents-dangerous.aspx

 

[Elley Mae]

Maybe it is a misconception that there are no currents in calm looking water

There is also a misconception that calm water is always safe and this is sometimes where people choose to swim as an alternative to between the red and yellow flags. Unfortunately, these calmer waters present the typical appearance of where rip currents begin. The surface of the water often has a calmer appearance with ripples on the surface indicting a subtle flow of water away from the beach.

http://www.ripcurrents.com.au/About-Rip-Currents/Why-are-Rip-Currents-dangerous.aspx

And then there's this

Trade wind - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[LambChop]

Since GG claimed the water was rough implying RG was carried out to sea by the currents I would think T. Stein would have been addressing the currents when he said the sea was calm that day.

Trade winds are very strong in Aruba but there are days when there are little to no "wind" at all. It does happen and those days are very hot. In the pictures of RG it appears her hair is being blown away from her face by some wind so there was some wind that day so it appears Mr. Stein was talking about the water and that the currents were not strong enough to have pulled her out.

Mr. Silva said that water can get rough but Mr. Stein claims it was not rough on that particular day as GG claims it was. Funny how GG suddenly changed his story once the report about the sea conditions came back. jmo

 

[Dushi]

Since GG claimed the water was rough implying RG was carried out to sea by the currents I would think T. Stein would have been addressing the currents when he said the sea was calm that day.

Trade winds are very strong in Aruba but there are days when there are little to no "wind" at all. It does happen and those days are very hot. In the pictures of RG it appears her hair is being blown away from her face by some wind so there was some wind that day so it appears Mr. Stein was talking about the water and that the currents were not strong enough to have pulled her out.

Mr. Silva said that water can get rough but Mr. Stein claims it was not rough on that particular day as GG claims it was. Funny how GG suddenly changed his story once the report about the sea conditions came back. jmo

I don't think its any secret here that GG has not been truthful
I also don't think one can tell about currents by looking at the calmness of a sea

How would anyone go back and review ocean currents?
Can that be done?

When I was in Aruba, I was also told that there are dangerous currents in that area, but it was just through conversation,, so really, just hearsay, rumour, opinion.

We keep going back to the fact that when people drown in Baby Beach, beyond the horseshoe, their bodies come back to shore

That is not where GG says they went in



Anyway, If someone works for search and rescue, one would hope they have some knowledge of the ocean currents in that area

 

[Elley Mae]

As far as I am concerned asking TS about the currents would be like me asking the DA of Miami about the currents.
Glad you brought that up about baby beach not being where they went in.

 

[neesaki]

Maybe it is a misconception that there are no currents in calm looking water

There is also a misconception that calm water is always safe and this is sometimes where people choose to swim as an alternative to between the red and yellow flags. Unfortunately, these calmer waters present the typical appearance of where rip currents begin. The surface of the water often has a calmer appearance with ripples on the surface indicting a subtle flow of water away from the beach.

http://www.ripcurrents.com.au/About-Rip-Currents/Why-are-Rip-Currents-dangerous.aspx

Common misconceptions about rip currents

Studies have confirmed that rip currents do not pull people under water causing them to drown. Rips are not undertow
They simply take a person away from the beach, often eventually back into the wave zone. Rip current related drowning deaths are therefore due to variable factors including:
Ability to swim,
The instinctive nature to attempt to swim directly back into shore against the rip current which leads to fatigue,
The panic which results and the impairment of judgment,
Not attending a patrolled beach where services are able to assist/rescue.

So, say this is what happened and Robyn didn't get pulled under, but instead out further into the ocean. We know Robyn knew how to swim as according to her friends and family she was a strong swimmer. I also still have the same question that has been asked before of GG , why didn't he go out and try to find her and help her while she still had a chance, instead of abandoning her out there while he inanely ambled around on the land like a big dumb ox. I also think that if this is what happened, it was no accident. jmo

 

[neesaki]

Among Aruba's top beaches, some are close to where GG and Robyn were staying. But what stands out that is Nanki Beach, where GG took Robyn, is not listed here at all. Baby Beach is listed, but that's clearly not where he took her into the water. Also, not where they were "sunbathing"... Or, I should say, where Robyn's bloody towel and dress were found.

Aruba’s Top 5 Best Beaches

http://beaches.uptake.com/blog/arubas-top-5-best-beaches.html

Also, I spent a while searching for anything about the snorkeling at Nanki Beach, which is where GG claims they went snorkeling. I have found nothing so far. In fact, about all this search pulls up is pages and pages of links about Robyn going missing there. I guess it's not a popular place for snorkeling. I mean, what tourist wants to spend their vacation looking at this:

http://www.world-travel-photos.com/photos2/aruba/8422.jpg

 

[Dushi]

Among Aruba's top beaches, some are close to where GG and Robyn were staying. But what stands out that is Nanki Beach, where GG took Robyn, is not listed here at all. Baby Beach is listed, but that's clearly not where he took her into the water. Also, not where they were "sunbathing"... Or, I should say, where Robyn's bloody towel and dress were found.



Also, I spent a while searching for anything about the snorkeling at Nanki Beach, which is where GG claims they went snorkeling. I have found nothing so far. In fact, about all this search pulls up is pages and pages of links about Robyn going missing there. I guess it's not a popular place for snorkeling. I mean, what tourist wants to spend their vacation looking at this:

http://www.world-travel-photos.com/photos2/aruba/8422.jpg

The way it has been described to me is that there really is no Nanki beach
It doesn't exist, its a name that arubans use for the area

Its an area in the colony, an area between rogers and baby beach, called Nanki

There is a small sandy beach to the left of Jads, I don't know if it is considered part of Baby beach or not

 

[neesaki]

From another NE article. :what:



Police believe that GARY GIORDANO – the prime suspect in the disappear*ance of ROBYN GARDNER on the exotic island of Aruba – has secretly confessed to killing the blonde beauty!
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An ENQUIRER investigation has discovered that cops have been told by guards at the squalid San Nicolas police station jail that Giordano was overheard moaning, weeping and banging his head and fists in his cell, while crying: “It’s all my fault!”
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“Police are convinced these late-night mutterings by the murder suspect add up to a confession,” an insider revealed.
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A source familiar with the in*vestigation told The ENQUIRER: “Personnel at the vermin-infested jailhouse have told cops that Gior*dano pounded his head and fists against the concrete walls and bars of his cell, saying, ‘Jesus, help me! I’m so, soooo sorry!’ His knuckles and forehead were swollen from all the banging.
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“Other times, he would cry out in his sleep, saying, ‘Robyn! I’m so sorry! Forgive me!’ This went on every night. He sounded like a man wracked with guilt.”

<snip>

“Inmates told police that Giordano asked, ‘How much of a sentence can I get if they suspect I killed her but they can’t find proof and can’t find her body?’ ” the source divulged.


<snip>

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/aruba-cops-suspect-giordano-secret-confession-gardner

Well, if he was indeed this miserable and in this much distress while he was in the Aruban prison, all I can do is :smile: with gratitude for Aruba LE imposing at least a little punishment to that sorry SOB. Ijmo that GG's reprehensible character is at least partially the result of no consequences for bad behavior his entire life. It's just pretty clear to me that this is the first time he's ever had to really pay for any of his actions or misdeeds.

 

[Elley Mae]

The way it has been described to me is that there really is no Nanki beach
It doesn't exist, its a name that arubans use for the area

Its an area in the colony, an area between rogers and baby beach, called Nanki

There is a small sandy beach to the left of Jads, I don't know if it is considered part of Baby beach or not

http://travelingluck.com/North+America/Aruba/general/_3577160_Nanki.html#local_map

lol I was thinking the same thing then I found this

 

[neesaki]

http://travelingluck.com/North+America/Aruba/general/_3577160_Nanki.html#local_map

lol I was thinking the same thing then I found this

So, according to the map that area is definitely "Nanki". Which is the area GG claims that Robyn disappeared. Regardless of what one calls it, it's on the opposite side of that little peninsula, totally separate from Baby Beach.

And, it has that spectacular view of the refinery, the absolute perfect tourist destination, :lol:

 

[Dushi]

So, according to the map that area is definitely "Nanki". Which is the area GG claims that Robyn disappeared. Regardless of what one calls it, it's on the opposite side of that little peninsula, totally separate from Baby Beach.

And, it has that spectacular view of the refinery, that absolute perfect tourist destination, :lol:

Yes Neesaki its an area
Its that whole area from baby Beach, over to rogers


And as far as the view,thats reality
Regardless of the refinery, Baby Beach is very popular with tourists

Its an eyesore but has employed many people long before tourism was viable on the Island
Nato went to Aruba for many years because of the refinery


Nanki is separate from Baby Beach but right beside it and yes, the other side of the breakwater

 

[Sapphire]

http://travelingluck.com/North+America/Aruba/general/_3577160_Nanki.html#local_map

lol I was thinking the same thing then I found this

Thank you Elley Mae. I have cropped the picture at the link you provided of Nanki Beach. In looking at the picture, the reef at Nanki appears to be close to shore. In looking at the map, if Robyn disappeared in that particular location (Giordano claimed they snorkeled near shore,) her body would have drifted into the jetty.

I don't believe they were ever in the water at Nanki. JMO

http://travelingluck.com/North+Ameri...html#local_map

 

[neesaki]

Yes Neesaki its an area
Its that whole area from baby Beach, over to rogers


And as far as the view,thats reality
Regardless of the refinery, Baby Beach is very popular with tourists

Its an eyesore but has employed many people long before tourism was viable on the Island
Nato went to Aruba for many years because of the refinery


Nanki is separate from Baby Beach but right beside it and yes, the other side of the breakwater

And from what I've read, the reason Baby Beach is popular is because the waters are shallow and calm. Not Nanki / Rogers Beach, but Baby Beach, as you say, they are separate.

My point I guess is that GG had done the research and knew the difference.

 

[Elley Mae]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/15/lawyer-gary-giordano-is-cooperating_n_927347.html

fyi in this vid the reporter states that authorities have RG passport.