ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 4

[Dushi]

I think it's understandable for him to be very hurt and angry in the beginning, but then when he finds out she's missing it goes beyond that and his worry and fear for Robyn take over.

I can understand his worry and fear
What i don't understand is what kind of relationship they had

 

[Dushi]

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/aruba-mystery-suspects-girlfriend-opens-14480566


A new video,, at least for me

 

[HatesSociopaths]

HS, are you saying "both" signatures (May and July) were forgeries? Has the May signature been proven a forgery? I am not sure either one have been proven to have been forged--did I miss something?:waitasec:

RG didn't sign one or both of them. We know that just by the different signatures.

 

[Peliman]

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/aruba-mystery-suspects-girlfriend-opens-14480566


A new video,, at least for me

I've been viewing it and looking at timestamps, the video showing GG knocking at the back of the resturant shows a timestamp of 18:15:40, making him shown knocking at 6:15ish.

The other picture claiming to be the last time Robyn was seen, timestamps don't make sense, I'm thinking the timestamps on the last seen video were added later by LE.

 

[cocomod]

RG didn't sign one or both of them. We know that just by the different signatures.

I have a business associate whose signature looks different all of the time. Quite different! We had to turn some information in to the bank, and it was rejected because it did not come even close to matching her signature card. I watched her sign the document, I know that she signed it, but it is COMPLETELY different.

This is the reason that I have been asking why the news has yet to produce something that is verifiably signed by RG. Does anyone that knew her know if her signature was consistent? That is the only way for someone outside of the investigation to truly check out the differences in these two signatures and determine which one may or may not be a forgery. IMHO

I do realize and understand the science behind forgery. I do like the "dot" theories; however, without an orginal signature, it is hard to compare the two and know which one is or could be real. KWIM

 

[annalia]

In the video when they are shown walking towards the beach, it's a little unclear but it doesn't look to me that they are carrying any gear, does anyone see gear?

He went on a different trip with a different woman, and took out the same amount of insurance. I don't think that the other woman would be on tv telling about it if she had been involved in a scam with him. It leads me to believe that perhaps he somehow manipulated these women, including RG, into signing a policy. Women, no matter how old can still be gullible. Was his intention the same with the previous women but he didn't get the opportunity?

But still, there has to be a reason that the two signatures in RG's case are so different. :waitasec:

 

[annalia]

I have a business associate whose signature looks different all of the time. Quite different! We had to turn some information in to the bank, and it was rejected because it did not come even close to matching her signature card. I watched her sign the document, I know that she signed it, but it is COMPLETELY different.

This is the reason that I have been asking why the news has yet to produce something that is verifiably signed by RG. Does anyone that knew her know if her signature was consistent? That is the only way for someone outside of the investigation to truly check out the differences in these two signatures and determine which one may or may not be a forgery. IMHO

I do realize and understand the science behind forgery. I do like the "dot" theories; however, without an orginal signature, it is hard to compare the two and know which one is or could be real. KWIM

I hope that by now they've gotten, or are working on getting samples of RG's signature.

 

[Peliman]

In the video when they are shown walking towards the beach, it's a little unclear but it doesn't look to me that they are carrying any gear, does anyone see gear?

No but I thought I'd read an earlier report they went from the resturant to the dive shop but didn't rent any gear there. (but you know how reliable stories are here, not.)

I know anythings possible but if she had gear on, mask, snorkle, fins it would not be too likely to cut your foot in the water.

He went on a different trip with a different woman, and took out the same amount of insurance. I don't think that the other woman would be on tv telling about it if she had been involved in a scam with him. It leads me to believe that perhaps he somehow manipulated these women, including RG, into signing a policy. Women, no matter how old can still be gullible. Was his intention the same with the previous women but he didn't get the opportunity?

But still, there has to be a reason that the two signatures in RG's case are so different. :waitasec:

Signatures look very different to my eye also, one had some backward looping, the other had none of it. Even at that I don't think he'll collect but he may file a lawsuit to try, I'd like to also see a known signature of RG's also.

I'd really like to see the footage they supposedly have of them arguing in the hotel lobby.

 

[Dushi]

No but I thought I'd read an earlier report they went from the resturant to the dive shop but didn't rent any gear there. (but you know how reliable stories are here, not.)

I know anythings possible but if she had gear on, mask, snorkle, fins it would not be too likely to cut your foot in the water.



Signatures look very different to my eye also, one had some backward looping, the other had none of it. Even at that I don't think he'll collect but he may file a lawsuit to try, I'd like to also see a known signature of RG's also.

I'd really like to see the footage they supposedly have of them arguing in the hotel lobby.

I have posted a statement twice from Ann Angela that states LE saw nothing on the hotel video

Is there different footage because I am confused

 

[Dushi]

In previous video of RG and GG leaving the restaurant , RG was carrying a bag
I can not tell if she is carrying it in the latest video
Where is it?

Because it should have been on the beach, in the car, in the hotel room with the rest of her belongings

 

[annalia]

I guess I have wishful thinking. Out of the alternatives, I pray that she is still alive. If no one in the investigation chooses to "entertain" seemingly outlandish theories, oh well, then. Let's hope that the authorities are thorough and searching everywhere on and off of that island.

Sometimes, I wonder why me and other people care so much. OK, I can answer that, because some of us have been victimized by means of which some people deem discountable.

My bolding

I'm very sorry for what you personally went through. Being victimized does give someone heightened insight and awareness.

Also the wonderful thing about posters here at Websleuths is that even if they haven't been victimized themselves, they have the heart and compassion that it takes to support and understand victims, even if the victims may not have been perfect. Sadly that isn't always the case, especially on the internet where people spend their time anonymously demonizing and sitting in judgement of the victims more than their perpetrators.

 

[HatesSociopaths]

The new video of them leaving is not them. GG had on a dark shirt and the time they left was after 4 pm. The time on that video is 2:44.

GG is walking in a drunk fashion at 6:15.

 

[Dushi]

RF is not posting on the FB page?

 

[Peliman]

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I have posted a statement twice from Ann Angela that states LE saw nothing on the hotel video

Is there different footage because I am confused

I read that, they have it with lip readers, they don't have it and nothing appeared wrong, the missreporting maybe a trademark of this case.

 

[annalia]

I read that, they have it with lip readers, they don't have it and nothing appeared wrong, the missreporting maybe a trademark of this case.

iirc, the story about the lip reader came from the National Enquirer, stories from there should probably be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[annalia]

The new video of them leaving is not them. GG had on a dark shirt and the time they left was after 4 pm. The time on that video is 2:44.

GG is walking in a drunk fashion at 6:15.

Could he be shirtless in the video?

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

I don't know if this has been posted..

Ann Angela, a spokeswoman for the Aruban public prosecutors office, said authorities are still trying to piece together what Giordano and Gardner were doing in the days before her disappearance, and how they were getting along. She said police have reviewed surveillance video from the hotel where they stayed, and examined images of Giordano and Gardner, but didn't see anything unusual.

“We have the video and we don’t see anything,” Angela said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...disappearance/2011/09/07/gIQA1l7j9J_blog.html



No fight?
No yelling?

[/B]


I have posted a statement twice from Ann Angela that states LE saw nothing on the hotel video

Is there different footage because I am confused

Above is your original post about Ann Angela's article. I agree, this is confusing. The article talks about the days leading up to RG disappearance, and they found nothing unusual. The Enquirer was the one who stated their was footage of the argument at 6:51 am , the day she disappeared. Interesting they included photo of surveillance--but it was a reenactment.
Bet there is No tape.:banghead:

 

[Niner]

I've been viewing it and looking at timestamps, the video showing GG knocking at the back of the resturant shows a timestamp of 18:15:40, making him shown knocking at 6:15ish.

The other picture claiming to be the last time Robyn was seen, timestamps don't make sense, I'm thinking the timestamps on the last seen video were added later by LE.

I'll make a note of this on the 'temporary TimeLine' I have - and if anyone else has some 'times' narrowed down - I could use those too!!

 

[Niner]

iirc, the story about the lip reader came from the National Enquirer, stories from there should probably be taken with a grain of salt.

No, that's not true - NE mentioning lip reading - I have the NE and they say -

After reviewing the video multiple times, experts believe Robyn shouted....

NOTHING about lip readers...

 

[Micheline]

Hi Micheline,

Do we know that dress was recovered? I am not sure there was confirmation on that fact.

That is the reason why I said allegedly.

A (self procllaimed?) witness claimes the dress was near two towells on the beach.