ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 7

[LambChop]

Yes, he was never charged in the first place, which means even less evidence of a crime.

If there was evidence, he would have been charged.
I do believe that a Judge has ruled twice in this regard.

Aruban law is basically no body, no case. This is not so in US. They let him go because no body washed up on the beach or any parts of her remains. There is nothing to prove or disprove his statement other than circumstancial evidence. The US has tried cases on less circumstancial evidence.....look at the S. Peterson case. It just depends on what the Arubans have and what the US feels is enough.

I really think the judge in charge had had enough of GG and the bad press he brought to the island and sent him home to let the US authorities deal with him. If there is enough they will. If not, we'll will never know the truth. jmo

 

[Dushi]

Aruban law is basically no body, no case. This is not so in US. They let him go because no body washed up on the beach or any parts of her remains. There is nothing to prove or disprove his statement other than circumstancial evidence. The US has tried cases on less circumstancial evidence.....look at the S. Peterson case. It just depends on what the Arubans have and what the US feels is enough.

I really think the judge in charge had had enough of GG and the bad press he brought to the island and sent him home to let the US authorities deal with him. If there is enough they will. If not, we'll will never know the truth. jmo

Thats not true
I posted a link about that earlier today

 

[otto]

Is he smiling?

I would say so ... at least he is in this photo

 

[Dushi]

Looks like he is wearing socks too

 

[LolliPop]

Aruban law is basically no body, no case. This is not so in US. They let him go because no body washed up on the beach or any parts of her remains. There is nothing to prove or disprove his statement other than circumstancial evidence. The US has tried cases on less circumstancial evidence.....look at the S. Peterson case. It just depends on what the Arubans have and what the US feels is enough.

I really think the judge in charge had had enough of GG and the bad press he brought to the island and sent him home to let the US authorities deal with him. If there is enough they will. If not, we'll will never know the truth. jmo

There is far more to Aruban law than just a statement made by a now deceased ex judge in training which incidently, amongst other disinformation, was taken and incorrectly presented.

 

[Dushi]

Aruban officials have said previously a murder conviction is possible without a body, but the case requires strong evidence such as a confession, reliable statements and forensic evidence of wrongdoing. Aruba is a Dutch protectorate and as such operates under Dutch law.

http://legacy.decaturdaily.com/decat...01/aruba.shtml

 

[otto]

Looks like he is wearing socks too

His feet must have been sore the following day if he wore soaking wet socks and shoes for several hours.

 

[otto]

There is far more to Aruban law than just a statement made by a now deceased ex judge in training which incidently, amongst other disinformation, was taken and incorrectly presented.

No body, no trial is a myth that began circulating around the time of Ms Holloway's disappearance for the purpose of implicating Joran's father in the disappearance. It's not true. What is true everywhere is that without a body, a conviction is far more difficult.

 

[LambChop]

Aruban officials have said previously a murder conviction is possible without a body, but the case requires strong evidence such as a confession, reliable statements and forensic evidence of wrongdoing. Aruba is a Dutch protectorate and as such operates under Dutch law.

http://legacy.decaturdaily.com/decat...01/aruba.shtml

Exactly what I was saying. Without a body but with a confession, reliable statements and forensic evidence of wrongdoing but in this case they needed that body and it still may not have told them anything. So without a body and proof of death there is no case. But this is not necessary so in the US. Aruba requires stronger evidence than the US does that was the point I was trying to make. There system is just different and by no means should we feel they are wrong in their judgment, their just different. jmo

 

[Dushi]

Exactly what I was saying. Without a body but with a confession, reliable statements and forensic evidence of wrongdoing but in this case they needed that body and it still may not have told them anything. So without a body and proof of death there is no case. But this is not necessary so in the US. Aruba requires stronger evidence than the US does that was the point I was trying to make. There system is just different and by no means should we feel they are wrong in their judgment, their just different. jmo

OK
well I must have misunderstood
Thats not the way I read your post
I would think that is what would be needed anywhere to get a conviction

Proof, evidence that stands up in court

Just because there is no body, does not mean there will be no case
It will depend on evidence

 

[LolliPop]

No body, no trial is a myth that began circulating around the time of Ms Holloway's disappearance for the purpose of implicating Joran's father in the disappearance. It's not true. What is true everywhere is that without a body, a conviction is far more difficult.

Exactly what I was saying, it was disinformation. (see my post)

But it was not the only disinformation.

 

[LambChop]

Jose Baez will have more appearances, the public demands it and he is not one to disappoint.
Besides he is paid handsomely by these talking heads despite what they say.

I don't think the public or the media is really interested in hearing from JB. I think they are more interest in what GG has to say.

This might be of interest to all of us here. You sound like you have personal information on what JB will be doing in the future and his financial arrangements with the media outlets. Do you work for him? Just curious. jmo

 

[LambChop]

OK
well I must have misunderstood
Thats not the way I read your post
I would think that is what would be needed anywhere to get a conviction

Proof, evidence that stands up in court

Just because there is no body, does not mean there will be no case
It will depend on evidence

LOL. Hey, that's okay it could have been me. Sometimes the thoughts in my brain take a detour on their way to my fingers and end up going by way of my feet. It happens but I get it out eventually. lol jmo

 

[LambChop]

Exactly what I was saying, it was disinformation. (see my post)

But it was not the only disinformation.

But this is not the Holloway case and the circumstances are not the same so we can't compare the two because they are different. In this case most of the information is coming from GG himself that we are finding fault with. His story just does not add up. jmo

 

[otto]

Exactly what I was saying, it was disinformation. (see my post)

But it was not the only disinformation.

I completely agree with you in terms of some investigations being messed up from the beginning because of familial or media interference. The Anthony case is a classic example of the family interfering, and the Holloway case is a classic example of the media interfering. When there is lack of cooperation or antagonism between investigators and family of victims, or too much information/disinformation being widely spread ... the case becomes a mess. I remember the media in the Holloway case running from one rumor to the next, from unfinished buildings to dead donkeys - each time building the hype that the truth would be revealed.

 

[Sapphire]

Thats not true
I posted a link about that earlier today

According to Paulus Van der Sloot it was.

 

[otto]

According to Paulus Van der Sloot it is.

It was according to friends of Joran that "no body, no case" was said. In fact, those two brothers had as much difficulty telling the truth as Joran.

 

[LambChop]

It was according to friends of Joran that "no body, no case" was said. In fact, those two brothers had as much difficulty telling the truth as Joran.

They were well coached because LE did not go after them first they went after the hotel guards because of a tip (wonder where the tip originated). Obviously Joran father had a horse in the race. The three were together so naturally their stories would be the same up until they parted. Another selfish person who ruined the lives of many.

The worst part is people cry there's not enough evidence, let them go. They commit another crime and it's why didn't someone do something when they had the chance. It keeps happening over and over and over and we are stuck with the results. jmo

 

[otto]

Robyn's disappearance is as perplexing as the disappearance of Ms Holloway and we don't have anyone working for the justice system, no one connected with Aruban authorities, no family or media interfering to the same degree, no one to blame ... and we have the same result ... not enough evidence to prosecute ... yet.

 

[Nova]

IV
Normal would be if GG swam to the SURFACE... then noticed that RG did not surface... perhaps he could have a view from looking from above... Why swim all the way to shore, or close to shore.. without any concern about RG who is less formidable in size versus the conditions. He abandoned her... hmm I wonder why? He should have gone to the surface, not the shore. He is getting better at these interviews, unfortunately, hopefull Taco can research if there's a difference in his story.

With respect, you seem to be thinking of SCUBA, not snorkeling. One does not go much below the surface with a snorkel; one is merely able to keep one's face in the water without lifting it up to breath.

(ETA it occurred to me later that of course one may make short, relatively brief dives with a snorkel, just as one may do without any breathing apparatus at all. Perhaps that's what gajonka has in mind. GG has told so many stories, we may each be imagining a different version of events. In the version I heard, GG said he got into trouble, touched RG's leg, and then turned toward shore. It didn't sound to me as if either one of them was submerged at the time; but I have trouble believing he never once looked back to see if she was okay.)