ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 7

[Nova]

Okay, to clear this up and Duchi can back me up on this, the rock formations around that area can be full of holes and appear to be coral like. I thought it was volcanic rock but was told know it's coral. That the whole island is coral underneath the sand. There are some smooth rocks but getting into the water there are both jagged, sharp and some are smooth. Water does make holes in them and wears them away but primarily they are coral which is sharp, full of holes and not inviting when you step on them. And this is a personal observation from being there and a fact as I know it. lol jmo

Thanks, LC. I've said before that something about being on vacation tends to make us think we are invulnerable, but I find it hard to believe RG tried to walk barefoot across coral. Just as I find it hard to believe GG wore socks and leather sneakers into the ocean.

 

[otto]

I've gone out of my way not to claim credentials I do not have. But I do have decades of work experience and I can post about arrangements I have personally witnessed.

And I quite clearly acknowledged that you may be right about JB and his relationship with GG.

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There is a list of verified lawyers available on this website for a good reason ... one of them most likely being to separate real law from psuedo law. I think that it's important to have some form of training as a lawyer, a doctor, etc. before presenting information about such fields as fact ... but that's just my opinion. Valid links about law, medicine, etc work too, IMHO.

 

[LambChop]

Thanks, LC. I've said before that something about being on vacation tends to make us think we are invulnerable, but I find it hard to believe RG tried to walk barefoot across coral. Just as I find it hard to believe GG wore socks and leather sneakers into the ocean.

I've seen the video with the underwater camera where GG claims they went into the water. It is very clear why he had to get those sneakers wet. In order to say he was in the water he had to get into the water and looking at the rocky area between the beach road and the water there is no way you could walk stone cold sober through there without shoes. So how did she get into the water barefooted, under the influence of sleeping pills and drinking vodka, if he couldn't without sneakers when he's saying he was sober? The server said she was tipsy. How would he answer that question???? My guess is he can't. jmo

 

[otto]

Okay, to clear this up and Duchi can back me up on this, the rock formations around that area can be full of holes and appear to be coral like. I thought it was volcanic rock but was told know it's coral. That the whole island is coral underneath the sand. There are some smooth rocks but getting into the water there are both jagged, sharp and some are smooth. Water does make holes in them and wears them away but primarily they are coral which is sharp, full of holes and not inviting when you step on them. And this is a personal observation from being there and a fact as I know it. lol jmo

"The island is nowadays mainly covered by the black and white speckled plutonic rock called quartzdiorite."

http://www.pollsoundstore.com/.Trashes/501/m2results/websites/icm_aruba/email_03/aruba_geo.pdf

 

[LambChop]

There is a list of verified lawyers available on this website for a good reason ... one of them most likely being to separate real law from psuedo law. I think that it's important to have some form of training as a lawyer, a doctor, etc. before presenting information about such fields as fact ... but that's just my opinion. Valid links about law, medicine, etc work too, IMHO.

All attorney's are registered here WS's. I think paralegals are very well trained in the law because they are researches among the many jobs they are responsible for in a law office. If you are unsure and want specific information about the law it's always a good idea to ask an attorney here. But I see nothing wrong with Nova sharing the wealth of information available to her with us. I have a great respect for paralegals and anyone who works in a law office with attorneys. They really, really earn their money. lol jmo

 

[vlpate]

You can call him the 'master' if you like. I guess we all have different definitions of that word. When I look at Baez, I see someone who freed a soul-less, coldblooded killer, and who did so by making up horrible accusations against her father. That is not the definition of a master, imo.

And it looks like he is trying to do the same thing again with this guy GG. I have no respect for Baez at all. But to each his own. If you truly feel that this guy, who killed Robyn so he could collect the insurance money, deserves freedom, then fine. I just hope you are not in law school.

IMO, Baez met his Peter Principle on day one of the Caylee Anthony Case - unfortunately, this fact was masked by a group of people who didn't understand the evidence. His next trial, if there ever is one, will prove my belief.

 

[LolliPop]

I've seen the video with the underwater camera where GG claims they went into the water. It is very clear why he had to get those sneakers wet. In order to say he was in the water he had to get into the water and looking at the rocky area between the beach road and the water there is no way you could walk stone cold sober through there without shoes. So how did she get into the water barefooted, under the influence of sleeping pills and drinking vodka, if he couldn't without sneakers when he's saying he was sober? The server said she was tipsy. How would he answer that question???? My guess is he can't. jmo

IMO

Didn't Mr Giordano say that Robyn cut her foot which would indicate that she was barefeet?

JMO

 

[LambChop]

"The island is nowadays mainly covered by the black and white speckled plutonic rock called quartzdiorite."

http://www.pollsoundstore.com/.Trashes/501/m2results/websites/icm_aruba/email_03/aruba_geo.pdf

Oh yes, thanks Otto. Try stepping on those babies without shoes on. That is some of what is in the water. jmo

 

[dizzychick]

IMO the fact he says he has flippers but she does not means alot to me. it means he had them probably used them and she had only her bare feet, that is IF they even went snorkeling... Look at his shoes, they are New Balance not cheap anywhere from 50-110 dollars a pair and leather which you would not want to get wet let alone snorkel in. IF he was in the water like he said he more than likely had those flippers and used them, if you listen to the Geraldo he even says he did and then he says he had tennis shoes so im not sure he even knows which he had, but the flippers would sure give him the power to swim against the current..

 

[LambChop]

IMO

Didn't Mr Giordano say that Robyn cut her foot which would indicate that she was barefeet?

JMO

That is what I said. How did she get into the water barefooted, walking over all those rock formations from the beach road where their towels were without shoes on when he had to have shoes on to enter the water? I think I made myself clear.....maybe not....well, she would have had to walk over jagged rocks to get into the water and she would have had more than just a cut toe.

 

[concentric]

Thanks Nova. You rock, BTW!

I learned some other stuff today, too. I learned, once again, that it's actually OK to have an opinion in the United States.

 

[LambChop]

Am I correct in assuming by their postings that both Novo and Otto are qualified attorneys?

Anyone can post. If you are a qualified attorney you have to be okay'd by the mods and put on a list. Everyone here is entitled to share information they are aware of and I think both Otto and Nova have made it clear they are not attorneys, Nova, at least, has worked directly with attorneys, but neither has slept at a Holiday Inn last night to my knowledge.

If you check out the rules here everything is explained in detail about posting.

 

[LolliPop]

That is what I said. How did she get into the water barefooted, walking over all those rock formations from the beach road where their towels were without shoes on when he had to have shoes on to enter the water? I think I made myself clear.....maybe not....well, she would have had to walk over jagged rocks to get into the water and she would have had more than just a cut toe.

It is good that you AWMO, perhaps she did have more than a cut toe.

Of course, this is MMO.

 

[LambChop]

IMO, Baez met his Peter Principle on day one of the Caylee Anthony Case - unfortunately, this fact was masked by a group of people who didn't understand the evidence. His next trial, if there ever is one, will prove my belief.

It does not appear he is doing much legal work considering he owns his own firm. Too busy running off to interview, Aruba, etc. It also appears he is trying to break away from his charge, KC, in a big way. Moving on to those who will make him money because it does not look as if his former client is going to bring him that big payday he wanted.

I think JB would really like to get away from law. As Judge Perry pointed out time and time again by "counseling him" on the law....he's just not very good at it. He does much better at story telling......well, it worked once. jmo

 

[LolliPop]

It does not appear he is doing much legal work considering he owns his own firm. Too busy running off to interview, Aruba, etc. It also appears he is trying to break away from his charge, KC, in a big way. Moving on to those who will make him money because it does not look as if his former client is going to bring him that big payday he wanted.

I think JB would really like to get away from law. As Judge Perry pointed out time and time again by "counseling him" on the law....he's just not very good at it. He does much better at story telling......well, it worked once. jmo

That big payday may well have already happened. JMO

 

[Sapphire]

It was according to friends of Joran that "no body, no case" was said. In fact, those two brothers had as much difficulty telling the truth as Joran.

(This is my last comment about the Van der Sloots. I don't want to derail this thread.)

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Aruba's chief prosecutor Karin Janssen told CNN Wednesday the elder Van Der Sloot told his son that without a body police would have no case.

Janssen said the judge made the comment "some days after" Holloway disappeared in a conversation with his son and the Kalpoes.

Investigators learned about his conversation with the three during questioning of one of the Kalpoe brothers, Janssen said, and when asked about the comment, the judge replied that he had been speaking about such a situation "generally."


http://articles.cnn.com/2005-06-30/...alpoe-kalpoe-brothers-van-der-sloot?_s=PM:LAW

 

[otto]

All attorney's are registered here WS's. I think paralegals are very well trained in the law because they are researches among the many jobs they are responsible for in a law office. If you are unsure and want specific information about the law it's always a good idea to ask an attorney here. But I see nothing wrong with Nova sharing the wealth of information available to her with us. I have a great respect for paralegals and anyone who works in a law office with attorneys. They really, really earn their money. lol jmo

One layman's wealth of information is really no different than yours or mine. As long as non-lawyer legal information is presented as opinion, I see no problem with it.

 

[LambChop]

Thank you, so neither of these 2 people are qualified attorneys.
I too, have had many dealings with attorneys in and out of Holiday Inns.

I do not understand your last statement, are you suggesting that I am breaking the rules of this forum ?

Nooooooooo. You asked a question and I answered it. If you have questions about how you can post here it is good to read up on the reference material that has been provided for us by the good folks here at WS. jmo

 

[LambChop]

That big payday may well have already happened. JMO

For who?????

 

[Nova]

There is a list of verified lawyers available on this website for a good reason ... one of them most likely being to separate real law from psuedo law. I think that it's important to have some form of training as a lawyer, a doctor, etc. before presenting information about such fields as fact ... but that's just my opinion. Valid links about law, medicine, etc work too, IMHO.

I have 30 years' experience working at some of the largest law firms in the world. That doesn't make me a lawyer and I am always careful to say as much.

But I do have personal experience with certain legal issues, such as how to represent a client in a jurisdiction where one has not been admitted to the bar. I am also careful to say what information I am presenting from personal experience.

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All of which is more than you did in your recent discussion of the effect of salt water on rocks. There, too, I was careful to distinguish between what I knew and what I did not know, and to mention that my information came from basic undergraduate geology. You offered none of these qualifications.

Your harping on this subject is fundamentally dishonest. I have not posed as a lawyer nor offered anyone legal advice. The field of law is no more specialized than the field of geology.

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