ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 7

[Dushi]

No he said he got water in his mouth. (no mentioning of water in his eyes while he could so easily have said that since it can't be verified)




No I meant to say I found him credible, because when he was pressured he was trying to explain why he did not pay attention to Robyn (Baez found it to much information), he told about his contacts, water in his mouth, his shoes getting heavy.
Had he been lying he could have simply said, look I wear lenses, I got water in my eyes, that would be sufficient an explanation of not being visually observative.

I see what you are saying
i think there is so much from his stetement we have never seen

 

[vlpate]

]I believe they were, how else did her dress end up on that beach without any traces of violence on it?[/B]

Imagine he took her some place to murder her, he would then have to force her out of her dress first and then murder her, in order to be to be able to place it on the beach later in immaculate state without any traces of a fight or a murder.

What about his own clothes, his shirt, short, socks and sneakers, no traces of anything? He did not know if the police would find the story supicious and wanting to check out his clothes aswell as her dress and the car, he would have to calculate that could happen, so he then also took of his own clothes and cleaned out the car?

One more thing regarding the dress, if he went away with Robyn, he would have to come back to the same area, would he not be on camera walking just by himself carrying Robyn's dress (prior to put it on the beach) and her not being present?

BEM: Her dress was found on the beach?

 

[LambChop]

I also think when it happens your instinct is to help without thinking you might be in danger yourself.

Last year while I was in Aruba with my friend, she decided to get pictures along the cliff area on the eastern side. I stayed in the car away from the cliffs....I don't like them as it would be easy to fall because of the jagged rocks and unever terrain. So all of a sudden she disappeared. Even though I hated going to the edge for fear of falling I went. There she was down below taking pictures. I yelled to her that she scared me because I thought she had fallen into the water below which was crashing at points against the rocks. While I'm briskly walking to the edge I'm thinking the whole time how do I get her out if she fell.

So there she was and she yelled up....."hey, I got some awesome pictures." I said "Great, I'm going back to the car to perform CPR on myself." lol I was that scared.

I could see someone thinking only of themselves but I'll withhold any further comment on that for now. jmo

 

[Dushi]

good night all

 

[Micheline]

And pardon my latent sexism, but even today men are socialized to be somewhat protective of females. (Didn't GG even have the gall to describe himself as RG's "protector" on TV last night?) What sorry excuse for a man swims off and doesn't even keep track of his female companion in the water?

-Respectfully snipped by me-

Giordano said the situation was ironic because he always had been sort of her protector, that Robyn reached out to him when she was beaten up by her boyfriend, that she had stayed a few days at his place when that occured, that she discussed guys she met with him, called him to take her on a vacation etc.

 

[Micheline]

BEM: Her dress was found on the beach?

Yes, bystanders who were interviewed by ABC (so ALE would know also) that her dress was lying on the beach a little further away then the two towels.

So her dress was on that beach, I have always found that interesting.

PS, in the re-enactment the policewoman who played Robyn was wearing the dress (it was no look-alike dresss but Robyn's), I have the pics if you want.

 

[LambChop]

BEM: Her dress was found on the beach?

Yes, the reporter reporting said it was odd because the dress was quite a way away from the towels, just thrown on the rocks. She seemed to think it was odd that it was not with the towel. Most women would put it on their towel or in the car not toss it. Sounds more like something a man would do. Like separating wash...I'd have neat little piles, dark, whites, towels. Hubby would be throwing things all over the place only to put them all together in the machine. lol Men are more into tossing then neatly folding on a towels...jmo

 

[neesaki]

May I suggest a digest of what my post actually said and then reply in a logical manner.
Nowhere in that post did I question if this forum is Pro or Anti Robyn, I was pointing out that there are in fact Pro Natalee forums and Pro Joran forums, nowhere did I even suggest this forum is Pro or Anti Robyn.

However I will suggest that there are Anti Baez members here and he is not even a perp, he is a defense attorney who happens to represent his client to the hilt if he believes in their innocence, what a noble man he is.

Perhaps a more Anti Bias to Baez is more fitting.

And for the record, I fully support if anyone has harmed Robyn Gardner that such a person or persons are brought to justice irrespective of who that may be.

What do Pro Natalee and Pro Joran and Anti Baez forums have to do with this forum. Maybe it's time you just come out and say what is your agenda?

 

[neesaki]

Isn't GG being accused of murder by members here and on other forums and the general public ?

The same principle applies, GG is not guilty until proven guilty as was the case with Casey Anthony.

The fact is, all of us on this forum have not only the right but also the ability, regardless of the degree, doesn't matter, to use our own discretion and to make our own judgments as to whether we believe a person is or is not credible or believable, or for that matter, whether they are deceptive or truthful.

What it all boils down to, is discerning and discovering the truth. Like it or leave it.

 

[vlpate]

Yes, bystanders who were interviewed by ABC (so ALE would know also) that her dress was lying on the beach a little further away then the two towels.

So her dress was on that beach, I have always found that interesting.

PS, in the re-enactment the policewoman who played Robyn was wearing the dress (it was no look-alike dresss but Robyn's), I have the pics if you want.

BEM: Are you talking about the long striped dress? Do you have a link for the interviews? I've searched and can only find a reference to the dress on the beach on facebook. TIA

 

[LambChop]

BEM: Are you talking about the long striped dress? Do you have a link for the interviews? I've searched and can only find a reference to the dress on the beach on facebook. TIA

I think it has to be in one of the earlier threads because the woman reporter was standing on the beach and it appeared to be right after she was reported missing. Maybe the second or third thread. I know things are hard to find because there is only one thread running because she is still listed on the missing thread. jmo

 

[katydid23]

That's true. It isn't always possible for someone not trained as a lifeguard to rescue a panicking person. (BTW, the last I heard the best plan is to grab the person by the hair and pull them so they can't get hold of you and pull you under.)

But even if a rescue isn't possible, that doesn't mean you have to turn your back on that person and swim to shore with nary a look back.

As I said above, my husband and I were trapped in a rip current off Malibu. Since I'm the native Floridian, I was much calmer and offered to pull him behind me as I swam out of the current and into shore. He was quite panicked and yelled at me not to touch him.

So I swam a few feet away, all the way back to the beach. I did not turn my back and forge ahead without keeping track of his welfare.

Yes, everyone is different and GG is under no obligation to react the same as I. But come on...

And pardon my latent sexism, but even today men are socialized to be somewhat protective of females. (Didn't GG even have the gall to describe himself as RG's "protector" on TV last night?) What sorry excuse for a man swims off and doesn't even keep track of his female companion in the water?

THANK YOU !~ :goodpost:

You made so many good points. I agree with people who say that sometimes you cannot save someone who is in trouble when you are also in trouble. But just as you say in your past experience in Malibu, one can still TRY and can keep an eye on one's friend while both try and swim to safety. But GG just touched her foot, [ supposedly] and then took off, never looking back.
That does seem incredibly callous, coldhearted and cowardly, imo.

 

[Micheline]

BEM: Are you talking about the long striped dress? Do you have a link for the interviews? I've searched and can only find a reference to the dress on the beach on facebook. TIA

Robyn and woman in re-enactment wearing the dress:

I am not sure but the dress mentioning could be in the ABC report where they interviewed the fisherman, I hope Lamshop still has the link.

 

[LambChop]

Robyn and woman in re-enactment wearing the dress:

I am not sure but the dress mentioning could be in the ABC report where they interviewed the fisherman, I hope Lamshop still has the link.

No, I don't have the link. I wish there was a thread we could put all the videos on as we did with Caylee's Forum. It would make it easier but I guess we will have to wait to see what happens. jmo

 

[Pugnolia]

So WHY the heck did he take a first time snorkeler to that ugly, rocky,rough and dangerous place? They drove for an hour PAST beautiful, pristine bays to get to the rocky God forsaken place. Why do you think that is?

While I watched the video on Dateline NBC of the view from Baby Beach, I said to myself 'THAT'S the ugliest beach and beach-view I've ever seen!' Here are two people, who for a very short period of time, are on Aruba for beach, sun, snorkeling and whatever else ... and he choses a beach with very visible smoke stacks belching clouds of pollutants just across from where they are to spend a quality afternoon peacefully snorkeling in 'Paradise.' Surely, other beaches would have afforded a more soothing setting.

I'd love to know if LE locates the 'couple' who advised him such.

 

[neesaki]

Point taken !

But seeing you wish to engage me, allow me to humor you.

With your priciple in mind of using terms such as "suspect and victim", I take it that now that Casey Anthony was found not guilty by a court of law that you are as prepared to accept that she is not guilty of the main crime that she was accused of ?

And where does this leave the people who accused her and the prosecutors that attemted to prosecute her on those charges ?

CA being found "not guilty" as a result of a lying JB, and as a result of a dumbed down jury (jmo), does not in any form or fashion mean she is any where close to being "innocent". And beyond that what does that have to do with this case, Robyn Gardner's case? :waitasec:

BTW, have you considered starting your own thread regarding your own concerns with your own issues? You, imo, are habitually and consistently off topic. I personally just can't figure out why you're on this thread. Please provide this forum with an explaination, or do something else.

 

[LambChop]

While I watched the video on Dateline NBC of the view from Baby Beach, I said to myself 'THAT'S the ugliest beach and beach-view I've ever seen!' Here are two people, who for a very short period of time, are on Aruba for beach, sun, snorkeling and whatever else ... and he choses a beach with very visible smoke stacks belching clouds of pollutants just across from where they are to spend a quality afternoon peacefully snorkeling in 'Paradise.' Surely, other beaches would have afforded a more soothing setting.

I'd love to know if LE locates the 'couple' who advised him such.

Often if you ask someone they will mention Baby Beach as some place different but I think of telling people the cove is very shallow and if you are a non-swimmer it is a nice beach area to go do, plus great for the kids. Beyond the rocks I never think of people swimming there. I understand the snorkelers go down to Rodgers Beach and go into the water there because there is a sandy bottom there. They would have driven right by it.

If RG was told he planned to take pictures I'm sure she was not happy with that location. I don't think even if she had been drinking she would have wanted to get into that water. I think what would be helpful is if someone videotaped a woman trying to get into the water in that location barefooted to see if a woman could do it sober. I'm willing to bet she could not walk straight into the water without stumbling a little. I, myself, would never go into that water at that location with the risk of injury being so great. Twisted ankle, cuts on feet and legs, falling and hitting her face on a rock while in the water. Would not happen.....would not be worth it....not for a million dollars.

Where they were staying there is a beautiful beach on a small island right across from the hotel. A launch takes you out and you can spend all day there. If he was there on an all inclusive they could have snorkeled, eaten and swam to their hearts content. Going to Baby Beach twice late in the day when you only plan on having 3 full days in Aruba makes no sense. The first day should have told him it was a bad place to snorkel. But then if it was late in the day and he never went into the water on the first day he would not know about those rocks because you can't see much at sundown. jmo

 

[vlpate]

If this has already been posted, my apologies.. I wonder if there will be more repercussions for JB in regards to the statement he made on GMA about Lopez - saying he was the one pushing GG to check on the insurance and that he, Lopez, had ulterior motives.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/12/gary-giordano-wig-aruba-release-jose-baez-jacket

"I have been informed this morning that during some U.S. television morning talk shows, CNN-ABC, that a certain Mr. Baez, allegedly the U.S. attorney for Mr. Gary Giordano, made some unfounded statements in my direction," Aruban lawyer Michael Lopez wrote in an e-mail statement to RadarOnline.com.

"These statements are not based on reality."

Lopez explained that confidentiality laws prevented him from revealing "the arrangement that may exist between said parties," but stressed that Mr. Giordano is "well aware of the arrangements between him and his lawyer, in this case, my person."

"Mr. Baez at some occasions, through my intervention, tried to get free access to my client, Mr. Giordano, and also wanted access to the entire case file. However, Mr. Baez was not competent to practice his profession as a lawyer in Aruba and therefore I did not deem it responsible to grant him free access."

The attorney went on to conclude: "Any statement given by Mr. Baez in the American media therefore remains his sole responsibility and under no circumstances will those statements force me to act against the rules of professional ethics that are universal for all attorneys and legal representatives."

 

[neesaki]

Thinking we have an amazing group here
love all of the opinions
interesting, differing opinions

sorry for being OT

I know I'm naive to a degree, but what is OT?

 

[LambChop]

If this has already been posted, my apologies.. I wonder if there will be more repercussions for JB in regards to the statement he made on GMA about Lopez - saying he was the one pushing GG to check on the insurance and that he, Lopez, had ulterior motives.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/12/gary-giordano-wig-aruba-release-jose-baez-jacket

"I have been informed this morning that during some U.S. television morning talk shows, CNN-ABC, that a certain Mr. Baez, allegedly the U.S. attorney for Mr. Gary Giordano, made some unfounded statements in my direction," Aruban lawyer Michael Lopez wrote in an e-mail statement to RadarOnline.com.

"These statements are not based on reality."

Lopez explained that confidentiality laws prevented him from revealing "the arrangement that may exist between said parties," but stressed that Mr. Giordano is "well aware of the arrangements between him and his lawyer, in this case, my person."

"Mr. Baez at some occasions, through my intervention, tried to get free access to my client, Mr. Giordano, and also wanted access to the entire case file. However, Mr. Baez was not competent to practice his profession as a lawyer in Aruba and therefore I did not deem it responsible to grant him free access."

The attorney went on to conclude: "Any statement given by Mr. Baez in the American media therefore remains his sole responsibility and under no circumstances will those statements force me to act against the rules of professional ethics that are universal for all attorneys and legal representatives."

I had not seen that. Thank you for posting it. I guess Aruba is off of JB's list of desired vacation resorts. I think he is slowly getting crossed off of people's Christmas Card lists for this year. lol