ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 7

[R.U.Kidding!]

It's not speculation. I've been traveling to Aruba every year for almost 30 years and I have been told this by friends there and the locals. No different than in our own country. Blonds do get more attention. RG was very striking and probably more so in person than in her pictures.

Since the authories are saying that part of their suspicion of GG's story is that the water became rough and a storm was coming in. That is not true and they know that. The tip of the island faces Venezuela and is about 17 miles so where she supposedly went into the water is not open ocean and the water is calmer than say up by the lighthouse which is quite turbulent when you ride up there by boat. On the eastern side of the island which is noted for riptides it's open ocean and she could have been pulled out to sea had he taken her there. If the report is true about the dog graveyard and GG headed up the eastern shoreline that could be where she went in and why she has not washed ashore.

There is a lot of traffic running back and forth in that 17 mile stretch of water, tankers, freighters, fishing boats and after awhile her body would have surfaced if nothing were weighing her down so the fact that they have not found her is surprising if that is where she went in.

There is nothing wrong with speculation except when we've already been told the roughness of the water was not an issue by experts who would know. GG lied about the conditions because there was no storm and he specifically claims there was a storm. You can see a storm coming in over the water from way out at sea there are no surprises when one comes in. Because of the size of the island all storms come in from the sea and you can see them pretty far off. No storms develop on the island itself. So he has locked himself into a lie that he cannot get out of.

I just don't think we should give him the benefit of the doubt about a riptide when he has lied and the authories feel it was too calm for that type of condition to exist. Anything is possible but that possibility seems to be very low and it's Robyn who deserves the truth to come out. She can't tell her story. If GG lied about the storm what else did he lie about. jmo

Could you give a reference for that statement. I never heard he said there was a storm, just that the current was rough enough for him to struggle to get to shore.

 

[stilettos]

Maybe because my grandchildren and friends are blond that I notice they get far more attention from the native Arubans. Years ago an owner of a famous restaurant in Aruba came flying across the airport lobby area to give my grandson a hug goodbye. I had noticed her while we were having dinner a few nights before and she stopped at our table to talk. My grandson was 2 years old at the time and had blond curly hair. She was the first one I heard say how much Arubans love blond hair. After that I noticed that what she had said was pretty much true. But you can say the same for here in the US. Did I conduct a formal survey.....no.....I pay attention. When blond hair is on a woman men pay attention......not so much when the blond is a male. It's just a fact. I stand corrected though about every Aruban, you are correct....let's just say that every male pays attention to the blonds and that is everywhere. jmo

...and Latin men praise "La Rubia" it is common for some cultures to notice and revere blonds. I am chestnut and never have any trouble getting a glance thrown my way. :floorlaugh:Just saying. In the South we are partial to tow headed babies. It is just different. I know what you mean though Lamb...every island I have been to the locals notice a beautiful blond in a bathing suit.

 

[LambChop]

I think exclusive means excluding all others so it just appears he lied to GMA or he does not know the meaning. Although JB did say he would be giving one interview and only one. Right....

I'm not sure Aruba has Negligent Homicide charges. But would this not qualify for charges if no other charges are brought against him. He admits being responsible for her being in the water. He claims she had been drinking and took sleeping pills. He was observed as being drunk himself. Supposedly went into the water between 5 and 6 at night with the sun setting. They could not have gone out far because you can't see anything in the water after a couple of feet at that time of the day. What would be the point of even going out into deeper water? It would be apparent after a few yards out. His story makes no sense. If he were driving a car and she was killed he'd be facing charges......what is the difference.

And if he claims he was not drinking it makes it even worse because he has admitted she was under the influence and he should have known better. jmo

 

[LambChop]

Could you give a reference for that statement. I never heard he said there was a storm, just that the current was rough enough for him to struggle to get to shore.

GMA, Dateline, and the other media outlets he has been on. jmo

 

[OldSteve]

GG reportedly did have slightly more than a passing interest in the NH case, are you aware?

GG is also well known to be a control freak according to witnesses and his case history.

I personally believe these are relevant points. :seeya:

Thanks for response to my post.
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To answer your question, I was not aware that he had more than a passing interest in the NH case.

I wonder why the first thing a person would do upon arriving back in the US do after being locked up in Aruba would be to get on Dateline... (It looked like as soon as he got off the plane in the US he was on Dateline!)
If it were I, I would spend time with family and son...

 

[JeannaT]

I wasn't questioning LC's expertise (or yours), but unless she has designed and conducted a formal survey, she can only speculate that "every" Aruban would pay special attention to a blond woman.

Yes, I've been to countries where blond hair is uncommon and I know it attracts attention (even when it's on my own head and I'm not a woman).

Nonetheless, "every" can only be speculation.

Hmm. I was under the impression that in the tourist area of Aruba there are a LOT of blonde women.

When Natalee went missing I seem to remember a lot of people thinking they had seen her- they hadn't, but they'd seen other blondes who resembled her.

 

[otto]

I think exclusive means excluding all others so it just appears he lied to GMA or he does not know the meaning. Although JB did say he would be giving one interview and only one. Right....

I'm not sure Aruba has Negligent Homicide charges. But would this not qualify for charges if no other charges are brought against him. He admits being responsible for her being in the water. He claims she had been drinking and took sleeping pills. He was observed as being drunk himself. Supposedly went into the water between 5 and 6 at night with the sun setting. They could not have gone out far because you can't see anything in the water after a couple of feet at that time of the day. What would be the point of even going out into deeper water? It would be apparent after a few yards out. His story makes no sense. If he were driving a car and she was killed he'd be facing charges......what is the difference.

And if he claims he was not drinking it makes it even worse because he has admitted she was under the influence and he should have known better. jmo

Why would a 50 year old man be responsible for decisions made by a 35 year old woman? No one forced Robyn to take sleeping pills, drink alcohol or do anything, for that matter.

 

[JeannaT]

I think exclusive means excluding all others so it just appears he lied to GMA or he does not know the meaning. Although JB did say he would be giving one interview and only one. Right....

I'm not sure Aruba has Negligent Homicide charges. But would this not qualify for charges if no other charges are brought against him. He admits being responsible for her being in the water. He claims she had been drinking and took sleeping pills. He was observed as being drunk himself. Supposedly went into the water between 5 and 6 at night with the sun setting. They could not have gone out far because you can't see anything in the water after a couple of feet at that time of the day. What would be the point of even going out into deeper water? It would be apparent after a few yards out. His story makes no sense. If he were driving a car and she was killed he'd be facing charges......what is the difference.

And if he claims he was not drinking it makes it even worse because he has admitted she was under the influence and he should have known better. jmo

Exclusive means it's not a press conference.

 

[otto]

GMA, Dateline, and the other media outlets he has been on. jmo

"Dateline's Josh Mankiewicz grills Giordano about what he told cops: "You at one point told police that the water was rough."

Gary asserts: "It was and I told them that it - at a certain point, I was struggling to get back. So you can determine what rough is, you know. There wasn't a tidal wave coming at me, but I was struggling - at one point I realized this is - there's a problem here."

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...byn-gardner-disappearance-nbc-video-interview

 

[JeannaT]

Why would a 50 year old man be responsible for decisions made by a 35 year old woman? No one forced Robyn to take sleeping pills, drink alcohol or do anything, for that matter.

I have to say think you more than just clicking thanks.

I don't understand that either - when men are made to be responsible for adult women who are in their company, as if the women are children or in some way dependent.

I don't think if this were the other way around - if he had had too much to drink or had sleeping pills, or whatever, and he drowned, she would be held responsible for keeping him from making poor decisions for himself.

 

[otto]

Hmm. I was under the impression that in the tourist area of Aruba there are a LOT of blonde women.

When Natalee went missing I seem to remember a lot of people thinking they had seen her- they hadn't, but they'd seen other blondes who resembled her.

Also, it's a Dutch Island so there have been blonds on the Island since 1636 AD.

 

[otto]

I have to say think you more than just clicking thanks.

I don't understand that either - when men are made to be responsible for adult women who are in their company, as if the women are children or in some way dependent.

I don't think if this were the other way around - if he had had too much to drink or had sleeping pills, or whatever, and he drowned, she would be held responsible for keeping him from making poor decisions for himself.

I think it goes back to some notion of chivalry, where men are responsible for women ... but as you point out ... if some 50 year old guy popped some pills, downed a bunch of vodka, went swimming and drowned, no one anywhere would look at his 35 year old female companion and suggest that she should be convicted of murder.

 

[LambChop]

You could say the same about a woman who gets in a car with someone who is drunk. Maybe it was just a little too convenient having too much to drink, having taken sleeping pills, driving her to the beach area to snorkel, bringing her to a beach at sundown and encouraging her to go into the water after cutting her toe, putting her on his policy with 1.5M payoff. I don't know, why wouldn't we think he bears some responsibility. We aren't suppose to let people drive drunk. If they get served in a bar, leave drunk and kill someone the bar is held responsible. If it was an accident he was negligent. And another thing why would she go into the water just after cutting her toe enough to leave blood behind. She could have gotten sick water getting into her cut or was she just too drunk to think logically.

His story keeps changing, every show he's on it keeps changing and you can see the irritation in his face when he is called on it. Clearly he knows they are pulling apart everything he says and no one believes him. Good work JB, just keep it up. jmo

 

[OldSteve]

All this talk of blonds...
OT, but thanks to the Princess Catherine and sister Pippa, brunette is now turning heads... at least my old noggin...

 

[Sapphire]

A couple of pages back, I posted links to parts 1-6 of the program ... the juice statement was in there. I don't believe that he was drinking juice. He's lying about many things, including the juice ... and the only reason for lying about the juice is to avoid having the insurance claim thrown out on the basis of Robyn being under the influence of alcohol and prescriptions when she disappeared. Baez is probably representing him for the purpose of trying to get the 1.5 million in insurance ... and I sure hope that fails.

Link to parts 1-6: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032600/

I believe providing his/Robyn's own alcohol was another way of him avoiding the insurance claim being thrown out. If they didn't purchase alcohol at the bar, there is no physical proof they were drinking.

 

[vlpate]

All this talk of blonds...
OT, but thanks to the Princess Catherine and sister Pippa, brunette is now turning heads... at least my old noggin...

You sure you're looking at Pippa's head :crazy:

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

GMA, Dateline, and the other media outlets he has been on. jmo

Eh! don't think so LC! Just water was rough--Perhaps it was the NE that published this, and that would have to be dismissed.

Furthermore one is responsible for the death of their passenger or other when "drunk" because the act of "driving under the influence" is an illegal act in itself, thus the DUI law. Doubt there is a "SUI" (snorkeling under the influence??) law--but then again You know Aruba.

 

[redheadedgal]

re: the insurance

if you watch the GMA interview GG does say "click that button" and "type that name"... so yes that does tell me it was purchased online. he might've been emailed copies to sign and fax back.

@ 7:30

 

[redheadedgal]

Eh! don't think so LC! Just water was rough--Perhaps it was the NE that published this, and that would have to be dismissed.

i heard "storm" too in one interview/program... sorry can't recall which.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Originally Posted by vlpate
Perhaps then, the rumors should be taken off the timeline - normally the timeline is factual, at least on most Timeline's I've seen posted on WS.



okay... I can do that!! :seeya:

Anything else on the Timeline that's a 'rumor'?? :waitasec:

Niner,

Thank you so much for your time lines. It can't be easy putting it together.

One suggestion if I may:

Aug 2-6:51--Fight in hotel lobby
Aug 2-5:00Pm--White Toyota sighting at Dogs Grave
Aug 2-6:23 pm Nap

There doesn't seem to be any merit to these "rumors" so you may just want to remove them from the time line. Just muddies already muddy waters, LOL

Just a Thought.